US-Japan war games off the California coast imitate Chinese invasion

US-Japan war games off the California coast imitate Chinese invasion

Should China Invade the Senkaku Islands i might add...


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The US and Japan are preparing for a possible Chinese invasion of the Senkaku Islands. Using a small island off the coast of California, US and Japanese forces are mimicking an armed invasion and an amphibious assault to prepare for a real-life scenario.

The unprecedented drills, code-named Dawn Blitz, are being conducted on San Clemente Island, which is 75 miles northwest of San Diego, the Christian Science Monitor reports. They began with an assault led by 80 US Marines and three MV-22 Osprey aircraft, and were followed by a Japanese counterattack using 1,000 troops and two warships. Alt

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A little about the history of the Islands

After it was discovered in 1968 that oil reserves might be found under the sea near the islands,[4][5][6][7][8] Japan's sovereignty over them has been disputed by the People's Republic of China (PRC) and the Republic of China (ROC, commonly known as Taiwan) following the transfer of administration from the United States to Japan in 1971. The Chinese claim the discovery and control of the islands from the 14th century. Japan controlled the islands from 1895 until its surrender at the end of World War II. The United States administered them as part of the United States Civil Administration of the Ryukyu Islands from 1945 until 1972, when the islands reverted to Japanese control under the Okinawa Reversion Treaty between the United States and Japan

Thing seem to be heating up with the disputed Senkaku Islands again, the possibilities of a Japan+allies & China conflict draws ever nearer

I personally would guess China wouldn't want to get into a conflict over these small disputed Islands

What is ATS's views on these Islands disputes ?

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I don't really understand why the Chinese and the US are at odds.

You don't kill your customers.

nothing is heating up CALM DOWN!

this is a traditional exercise, there has ALWAYS been foreign troops involved, heck i was involved with kernel blitz back in the 90's mate. aka 'red beach'.. great surfing near there, epic.

when i trained with a rec unit, we would get up early (3:30) 7 mile indian run (these are HARD), 20 minutes of pullups/pushups drills, ... and then put on our skins (wetsuits), grab a humvee and it was off to surf at sunrise. 45 minutes of that and THEN the day started.. recon small boat units are the SHIZZLE

I dunno.


Thing is China are building lots of new toys and Im sure they want to test them out in the feild to see if they are any good or need improving and what there armed forces are capaible off. If they dont do something they could end up spending hundreds of billions on a advanced war machine that is basicaly a paper tiger and does not wrok.

A small little war with Japan/USA over some Islands which really are not much of importance if they win or loose may give them a low risk oppotunity to do that. No one would let it escate beacuse its just a few piddly islands and even if China loose they would gain a wealth of information and expairance on were they need improving and what there strenghs are.

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It seems like materialism is the main cause of war.

The Marines do training on San Clemente Island ALL the time.

This time they are doing joint training with the Japanese, which they also do all the time in Japan. It stands to reason the Japanese would be invited out here for some training.
I don't see how this has anything to do with China or some islands on the other side of the Pacific Ocean.

This is a Non-story.

Let me go on record as saying that I don't care if China invades some uninhabited islands.

If the United States sends troops to defend these rocks, I'm sure the usual suspects on here will tell me about how this is also defending our freedoms.

Originally posted by MichaelPMaccabee

this is also defending our freedoms.

Yeah thats always gives me a good laugh


Guess if a drill instructor keeps shouting it at you constantly you would beleive that invadeing the moon would be "defending your Freedoms"

Originally posted by crazyewok
I dunno.


Thing is China are building lots of new toys and Im sure they want to test them out in the feild to see if they are any good or need improving and what there armed forces are capaible off. If they dont do something they could end up spending hundreds of billions on a advanced war machine that is basicaly a paper tiger and does not wrok.

A small little war with Japan/USA over some Islands which really are not much of importance if they win or loose may give them a low risk oppotunity to do that. No one would let it escate beacuse its just a few piddly islands and even if China loose they would gain a wealth of information and expairance on were they need improving and what there strenghs are.

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True China have modernized its military alot in the past decade, but still nowhere near enough to be taking on its neighbors over some tiny Islands,

The US Japan security treaty requires the US to help Japan deter any attacks on its territory

I think most likely this will just be a war of word for many years, i suppose it is also possibly to see a Falklands type conflict occur in the future but a very slim chance as i just don't think China would start something with such terrible odds

Originally posted by TritonTaranis


True China have modernized its military alot in the past decade, but still nowhere near enough to be taking on its neighbors over some tiny Islands,

The US Japan security treaty requires the US to help Japan deter any attacks on its territory

I think most likely this will just be a war of word for many years, i suppose it is also possibly to see a Falklands type conflict occur in the future but a very slim chance as i just don't think China would start something with such terrible odds

Well It depends on how much the USA and Japan are willing to sacrifice over the islands.


I thing China is going to have to get involved in a small war soon or no matter how much tecnology it has it will be uselss. Armed forces that sit around doing nothing become ineffcetive fast.

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We would never get in a major war with Russia or China, the implications financially would crush both the winner and the loser...never going to happen....may come close but never going to happen...

Originally posted by Metallicus
I don't really understand why the Chinese and the US are at odds.

You don't kill your customers.

Has nothing to do with that... It is the old chinese failed philosophie of the YIN and Yang.
They are mentally unstable..

Originally posted by MichaelPMaccabee
Let me go on record as saying that I don't care if China invades some uninhabited islands.

If the United States sends troops to defend these rocks, I'm sure the usual suspects on here will tell me about how this is also defending our freedoms.

I can totally understand your concern, but that's the price you pay for your position of power and dominance in the world unfortunately


The US has a treaty with Japan

And no doubt the US Gov understands the importance of cock blocking China and has made great effort in building close military ties with every one of China's Asian neighbors and established some sort of military presents close by, China is challenging the US for that role in the world, the fact is Americans die for there position of power in the world and not directly for there own freedoms but much rather the "health and well-being" of an entire nation and its close allies that support her dominance because of shared values and political positions on world governance

US citizens enjoy a much greater standard of living than most of the world because of these actions & policy's, so in the long run i guess you could say your freedom is at steak should the US fail to challenge China's dominance in the far east, as all of China's actions towards its neighbors are based on growth and resources to become the worlds new military superpower

I thought most Americans understood this was the case, and also others around the world, as its been no different in the world since the dawn of civilization and likely wont change, only thing that changes is empires & super powers fall and get replaced by the powers they failed to stop rising, i guess "us humans" are still carrying that animistic male territorial & dominance gene which would be more logical & sensible to blame than the US government, NWO, or the Illuminati

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If the USA dumped half it military spending ( which would still be 4x more than anyone else) and reverted there Armed forces in to a defence force good enough to defend the USA aginst its enemys but not go invadeing everywere. They could then dump 400 odd billion into there space program every year. with that money they could access all the resources in the solar system which could quite happly sustain the west.

No its not as easy as invading another country and stealing there shiz but eventually in a decade or two things will get to a point were there is nothing left to steal as the worlds resources will start running dry.

Least if the West (USA+UK,Canada,Austraila, NZ, EU ect) started now with space explotation we would have a huge head start.

Originally posted by chrismarco
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We would never get in a major war with Russia or China, the implications financially would crush both the winner and the loser...never going to happen....may come close but never going to happen...

Are you really sure about that
Russia sure think something is going down soon
www.debka.com...

That would be China best time to start something their

Originally posted by TritonTaranis

Originally posted by MichaelPMaccabee
Let me go on record as saying that I don't care if China invades some uninhabited islands.

If the United States sends troops to defend these rocks, I'm sure the usual suspects on here will tell me about how this is also defending our freedoms.

I can totally understand your concern, but that's the price you pay for your position of power and dominance in the world unfortunately


The US has a treaty with Japan

And no doubt the US Gov understands the importance of cock blocking China and has made great effort in building close military ties with every one of China's Asian neighbors and established some sort of military presents close by, China is challenging the US for that role in the world, the fact is Americans die for there position of power in the world and not directly for there own freedoms but much rather the "health and well-being" of an entire nation and its close allies that support her dominance because of shared values and political positions on world governance

US citizens enjoy a much greater standard of living than most of the world because of these actions & policy's, so in the long run i guess you could say your freedom is at steak should the US fail to challenge China's dominance in the far east, as all of China's actions towards its neighbors are based on growth and resources to become the worlds new military superpower

I thought most Americans understood this was the case, and also others around the world, as its been no different in the world since the dawn of civilization and likely wont change, only thing that changes is empires & super powers fall and get replaced by the powers they failed to stop rising, i guess "us humans" are still carrying that animistic male territorial & dominance gene which would be more logical & sensible to blame than the US government, NWO, or the Illuminati

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I don't care about a treaty that the government of the United States has with Japan. I don't believe the vast majority of this country cares about a treaty we have with Japan. I think the government would break the treaty, as we have broken others, because defending uninhabited islands is not in our countries' best interests. I think this very idea would help Japan to relinquish its claim on the islands before it -ever- went to a war it couldn't win.

For the record, I also don't care if China expands, or if the United States loses political power. Stop sending people to die for rocks.

Originally posted by crazyewok
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If the USA dumped half it military spending ( which would still be 4x more than anyone else) and reverted there Armed forces in to a defence force good enough to defend the USA aginst its enemys but not go invadeing everywere. They could then dump 400 odd billion into there space program every year. with that money they could access all the resources in the solar system which could quite happly sustain the west.

No its not as easy as invading anoter country and stealing there shiz but eventually in a decade or two things will get to a point were there is nothing left to steal as the worlds resources will start running dry.

Least if the West (USA+UK,Canada,Austraila, NZ, EU ect) started now we would have a huge head start.

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True and a very good incite into what is to come

All tho its not the best outcome for mankind, it should be done together with a united human race rather than a divided human race split into 3 or 4 different faction and alliances still at odds with each other

But that's a different thread altogether i guess

Sensational headline.

OP, are you a reported for the Enquirer?

Originally posted by TritonTaranis


True and a very good incite into what is to come

All tho its not the best outcome for mankind, it should be done together with a united human race rather than a divided human race split into 3 or 4 different faction and alliances still at odds with each other

But that's a different thread altogether i guess

Unless ET shows up then I think there will always be factions. The trick I think for mankind is to have as few factions as possible. Large factions = Large amounts or resource and knowlage shareing.

With resouces growing thin USA cant go it alone nor can the UK, Australia, France, Germany ect If they isolate themselfs there econemys would implode. Hense why since world war 2 the west has mostly danced to the same tune.

China has recoginised that and is starting to buddy up in africa plus has subtlely intwined itself with the wests econemys. The only country that at the moment can go it alone is Russia due to it vast untapped resources. But even they will hit the same problem eventually.