a message from Heaven concerning the Supreme Court decision today....

Originally posted by Seede
@ ShadowLink

You are right. No one has to follow any good book. Thanks for calling it a good book. I am a bible thumper who you despise and I don't hate you even though you hate me. for what I am. That shows me that you must believe it's alright for you to hate but not alright for a bible thumper to hate. Sounds about what this whole country is all about doesn't it?

This good book that has you so upset is my prerogative to read and believe. No one is forcing you to read it or believe it. That is all up to you and your belief. The only thing your blog showed me was that you believe that it is alright to hate but the other guy should not have that same right that you have. Kind of one way isn't it?

Let me apologize for my broad statement, my frustration gets the better of me and I wasn't as clear as I should have been, for that, I am sorry.

I didn't mean that I despise anyone who follows the "Good Book", most of my own family does.

When I say bible thumpers, I mean the ones who feel the need to relentlessly FORCE their views and beliefs on everyone else and if they don't change then they are the ones that are wrong.

I fully agree with you that this world is full of people who refuse to allow everyone else to follow their own prerogatives.
Perhaps if we could all quit viewing people who don't see things our way as wrong or the enemy, then maybe this world would be a much better place.
Less hostility to one another and killing. Remember the crusades?

At any rate, I am sorry for lumping everyone into one group with my statement. That was not my intention.

Healthy debate about opposing views is good, but we don't need to force everyone to see it our way.

Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker

Originally posted by windword

Originally posted by jjkenobi

Originally posted by auraelium
Why did he make Gay people then? if he was gona be so offended by the way they act?

This is the argument of a 3 year old. All the people who think this way and agree with you have the spiritual mental capacity of a toddler. God created everything perfect. Earth, plants, animals, and man. It wasn't until the Serpent and sin came along that everything was corrupted. If you don't believe in God and creation that's fine, but don't try to use it as a weak argument.

Didn't God create the serpent too? How can his creation be perfect and corrupted at the same time, without God taking responsibility for both?

Show me a talking serpent. Everyone knows that, that story tells how Satan disguised himself as a serpent to trick man and woman.

That doesn't change the argument. God created Satan, who, the theory goes, corrupted God's creation. How can that be, without Satan having God's approval? If God created Satan, then God created evil and sin, and is therefore, responsible for evil and sin.

Originally posted by windword

Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker

Originally posted by windword

Originally posted by jjkenobi

Originally posted by auraelium
Why did he make Gay people then? if he was gona be so offended by the way they act?

This is the argument of a 3 year old. All the people who think this way and agree with you have the spiritual mental capacity of a toddler. God created everything perfect. Earth, plants, animals, and man. It wasn't until the Serpent and sin came along that everything was corrupted. If you don't believe in God and creation that's fine, but don't try to use it as a weak argument.

Didn't God create the serpent too? How can his creation be perfect and corrupted at the same time, without God taking responsibility for both?

Show me a talking serpent. Everyone knows that, that story tells how Satan disguised himself as a serpent to trick man and woman.

That doesn't change the argument. God created Satan, who, the theory goes, corrupted God's creation. How can that be, without Satan having God's approval? If God created Satan, then God created evil and sin, and is therefore, responsible for evil and sin.

Incorrect. God created everything with free will, including Satan and his angels. They all made their own choice, God did not force them to serve. Satan chose to go against God, and it was his right to do so. So don't blame God for the choices anyone makes.

Originally posted by windword

Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker

Originally posted by windword

Originally posted by jjkenobi

Originally posted by auraelium
Why did he make Gay people then? if he was gona be so offended by the way they act?

This is the argument of a 3 year old. All the people who think this way and agree with you have the spiritual mental capacity of a toddler. God created everything perfect. Earth, plants, animals, and man. It wasn't until the Serpent and sin came along that everything was corrupted. If you don't believe in God and creation that's fine, but don't try to use it as a weak argument.

Didn't God create the serpent too? How can his creation be perfect and corrupted at the same time, without God taking responsibility for both?

Show me a talking serpent. Everyone knows that, that story tells how Satan disguised himself as a serpent to trick man and woman.

That doesn't change the argument. God created Satan, who, the theory goes, corrupted God's creation. How can that be, without Satan having God's approval? If God created Satan, then God created evil and sin, and is therefore, responsible for evil and sin.

Consider this. If you tell your kid don't do this, or don't do that, otherwise this or that will happen, and they do it anyway. Is that your fault? You told them ahead of time not to do it, but they went against you. So who's to blame?

reply to post by resoe26


Can you prove they aren't born that way?

reply to post by resoe26


Tell that to the hundreds of gays I have seen and administered medical care to for over 20 years.

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by resoe26

 

Can you prove they aren't born that way?

see my earlier posts.
Other than that, I'm done with this thread.
I don't really care. I have some paintings to do. take care.

reply to post by resoe26


Why would someone have to believe that? Are you willing to believe that many anomalies can occur in the womb?

Originally posted by ShadowLink
reply to post by colbe

 

I think Christianity is the disorder here.

God is man's greatest creation and some of you people put way too much stock in an old story book written by men and used to control and manipulate you.

Religion has done far more harm throughout our history then homosexuality ever will.

FINALLY someone else says it. THANK YOU! A star for you.

Originally posted by aero56
reply to post by resoe26

 

Why would someone have to believe that? Are you willing to believe that many anomalies can occur in the womb?

yo aero.. I didn't mean to offend you. My bad.
I understand a bit better now,
Maccabee and Kody27 hooked it up.
apologies homie.

"To avoid fornication, everyone (except those gifted with celibacy) should have an orientation compatible partner."

1 Corinthians 7:1–9

1 It is good for a man not to have sexual relations with a woman.
2 But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.
3 The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband.
4 For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.
5 Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
6 Now as a concession, not a command, I say this.
7 I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another.
8 To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am.
9 But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

reply to post by Darth_Prime

Us gays are not perverted

I wouldn't speak for everybody if I was you. One of my friends is gay he has a boyfriend and a bunch of gay friends that dress up as drags and go to bars on the weekends.

I constantly get hit on by gay dude's when there around me. I've never been hit on from girls as bad as I get it from gay dude's. So yeah I think they are "Perverted" because they are guys and most guys are already perverted to begin with.

Originally posted by resoe26
reply to post by Darth_Prime

 

you missed the whole point of his post apparently.
Your arguing on such a minor detail.
I'm almost certain what he was saying that people CHOOSE to be gay as they age. not "born that way"

no, i got his point, and my point is we don't, as i said it's easy to not live the life and claim things based on misunderstandings and misconceptions, or personal beliefs, and i have always stated i will defend anyone's right to believe, even if it is against my own

but, take it from someone who is, i was born this way

reply to post by colbe

"The Father created sex for the propagation of life, not for pleasure for pleasure's sake.

These are your words. This is your precious message. Here is my message in return, you sickening depraved individual...you whose mentality is so limited that you can't be bothered to exercise the flexibility of imagination necessary to embrace the idea that love in all forms is something to be cherished, whose comprehension is so pitifully withdrawn as to completely miss the fact that love oppressed is hate given freedom.

Here is my message:

To turn the approach on its head: No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphis. Moreover, a part of the animal kingdom is hermaphroditic, truly bisexual. For them, homosexuality is not an issue.

en.wikipedia.org...

Even though the evolution-related purpose of mating can be said to be reproduction, it is not actually the creating of offspring which originally causes them to mate. It is probable that they mate because they are motivated for the actual copulation, and because this is connected with a positive experience. It is therefore reasonable to assume that there is some form of pleasure or satisfaction connected with the act. This assumption is confirmed by the behaviour of males, who in the case of many species are prepared to work to get access to female animals, especially if the female animal is in oestrus, and males who for breeding purposes are used to having sperm collected become very eager, when the equipment they associate with the collection is taken out.

en.wikipedia.org...

Sweets and sex — as well as drugs, winning the lotto and every other rewarding experience —stimulate the same brain circuit, said Berridge, and this pleasure circuit is common to both human and non-human animals. His experiments suggest a further homology, one of emotional experience.

Not only do animals enjoy the deed, they also likely have orgasms, he said. They are difficult to measure directly but by watching facial expressions, body movements and muscle relaxation, many scientists have concluded that animals reach a pleasurable climax, he said.

www.livescience.com...

It's people like you who have kept my parents from getting married despite the 20+ years they have been together. You disgust me.

Oh, and here's one more for you:

I went to subway today to get my favorite sandwich. The man infront of me ordered a different sub. I got really upset because he didn't get the same thing as me, even though it didn't affect me in any way.

THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE SOUND LIKE WHEN THEY SAY GAY MARRIAGE AFFECTS THEM.

Moments like these are the ones that convince me that humans are nowhere near the smartest species on Earth. I mean, we make monkeys look positively genius by comparison. And they have gay sex!

COLBE ...
Maureen Sweeny and Holy Love Ministries have been CONDEMNED by the Catholic Church.

Holy Love MInistries

Finally, the Church has spoken authoritatively on Holy Love Ministries and its 83-acre site of Maranatha Spring and Shrine in Ohio. Despite all the usual Catholic trappings — chapel, statues, rosaries and religious bookstore, not to mention the throngs from across the country and globe — the purported visions by Maureen Sweeney-Kyle have been condemned. Bishop Richard Lennon, head of the Cleveland Catholic Diocese, has issued a decree to clergy and laity of the diocese that Holy Love Ministries of Lorain County is officially off limits.

According to The Morning Journal newspaper of Ohio, Bishop Lennon’s decree was issued Nov. 11, 2009:

“Having been directed by the Holy See (in Rome) to act definitively in the matter of the alleged apparitions … and having reviewed the theological content of the alleged apparitions to Maureen Sweeney-Kyle and having consulted an expert in this matter, I … declare that the alleged apparitions and locations … are not supernatural in origin.” Lennon’s decree states he “forbid members of the clergy of any ecclesiastical jurisdiction” to celebrate the sacraments on the site of Holy Love Ministries.

“I admonish the faithful of the Diocese of Cleveland to cease gathering for any religious, liturgical, spiritual or devotional purpose on the site of Holy Love Ministries and declare that the Confraternity of the United Hearts of Jesus and Mary is not an approved association of the Christian faithful in the Diocese of Cleveland and may not legitimately use the name “Catholic” or represent itself as a Catholic group,” Lennon said in his decree.

Remember what happened with you pushing the false apparition - Maria Divine Mercy?
Don't make the same mistake with this one. It's false as well. The church says so.

I, for one, am glad that the same sex marriage bill has been passed as it were. My wording may be wrong but the sentiment is there.

Reading through this thread I noticed someone saying that having a lack of a father figure could be a precursor to someone becoming gay? What a load of codswallop!! I am a proud mother of a son who is gay. His father has always been there for him, as have I. We are a normal family (but what is normal nowadays?) and I can assure you my son was not 'taught' to be gay. He knew from an early age he was 'different' and it took him a lot of courage to tell me about himself. You know what? I hugged him tightly and assured him that it did not change how much we all loved him. He is a wonderful, caring person and certainly not a pervert.

I am not a religious person per se but I do believe in Creator and I simply cannot accept that said Creator would turn their back on those that are different. In my opinion it comes down to love. It doesn't matter what religion one follows, if there is not love then in my opinion there is nothing.

I may get slammed for my opinion but that does not affect me. Judge all you want, if it makes you feel better. i know love, unconditional love...from all of my family and they get my unconditional love too. I simply will not believe that gays will be punished for their way of being. Each to their own, at the end of the day we are ALL human. Oh, and not that it matters, I am bisexual.

Originally posted by tachyonmind
"To avoid fornication, everyone (except those gifted with celibacy) should have an orientation compatible partner."

There. You said it yourself It is a fact that monogamy is becoming more prevalent in the gay community. Among gay men there is still work to be done, but the increase in monogamy is astounding

The percentage of heterosexual men who reported having sex with someone other than their wife dropped to 10% in 2000 from 28% in 1975; among married women, it declined to 14% from 23%. Among gay men, the percentage who cheated on a partner they lived with dropped to 59% from 83%; for lesbians it declined to 8% from 28%. Half the gays and lesbians in the study were in civil unions, half were living together in committed relationships, the researchers say

Did you see that? Lesbians are THE most faithful of all of us......

So urce

1 Corinthians 7:1–9

6 Now as a concession, not a command, I say this.
7 I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another.
8 To the unmarried and the widows I say that it is good for them to remain single as I am.
9 But if they cannot exercise self-control, they should marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

It is understandable for those not being gay that they have no clue to the dynamics of our relationships. However, we do have one kind and another in them. One is usually dominant and the other submissive. This is nothing to do with the bedroom manner, just personality type. One might term it, or masculine and feminine, but it's all the same thing - opposite types, even though the gender is the same.

The exact same can happen in straight marriages - how many times has one heard phrase "Man, she wears the pants in that marriage" before for instance ? i.e You have opposite types in terms of gender, but the female is sometimes dominant in personality and calls the shots - often termed as the male being 'under the thumb' So opposite type does not necessarily have to mean gender, it is personality that is the actual winner in a relationship.

As for V9 - you have just presented a great case for gay marriage

Originally posted by resoe26
reply to post by markosity1973

 

Well if you're born that way, then where does this gene come from? It cannot be passed on because it takes male and female relations to reproduce. So this gene is a genetic mystery then? can you support your claim with some sources?

Oh dear......

With the greatest of respect and no insult intended, those remarks show not even the most basic understanding of genetics.

Let me explain, not every single trait from both parents is passed down the family tree every single time. Sometimes traits that your parents do not have can appear in children - these are called recessive genes. Recessive genes skip people and pop up seemingly randomly in families.

A classic example of this is a quick look at any of family photo from my own family. Both my parents are dark haired, with Dad having brown eyes and Mum having green. Yet I have 2 blonde haired, blue eyed siblings. Where did that come from I ask you? - Recessive genes.

Genetics is also only one possible answer. A lot of research is now pointing to what goes on in the womb as a fetus. It is looking more and more possible that when the developing fetus is being showered with hormones the mix is sometimes a little different and it is what is causing babies to be born gay,

So yes, it is entirely possible that it is either a recessive gene that pops up from time to time, or a thing that happens in the womb, or perhaps both in combination. Researchers are still working on finding the answer.

Here is the link you requested with the latest thinking on the 'born this way' theory

healthland.time.com...

reply to post by colbe


i swear this site must be hosted by non hetero sexuals, i didnt say anything that should have got my post blocked, just stateing that gays are sick in the head and should quit teaching our youths that crap should not have got my post blocked. its ok for the gays to talk trash about "bible thumpers" but not ok for a "bible thumper" to disagree with them. atleast my kids grew up normal and went thru school before they started this crap. block my post if you want, im sure the mods will not like it.

reply to post by ShadowLink


lol, the roman catholic church is got to be the most corrupted church out there. there may be some true christian believers in the catholic church, but i bet not many. they follow tradition not the word. so as far as talking about gay priests yeah, thats what you get from gay people. atleast the few i have met were the sickest people i have ever met. so maybe the few i have met ruined they way i think about the rest of you, pretty much like the catholics have made you think all preists were gay.