Man faces 13 years in prison for writing in chalk outside bank!

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by HairlessApe

 

Yo care to post on topic like here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Guess not.

edit on 26-6-2013 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

...A link to the very thread I posted on?

Touche....?

Is that even English?

reply to post by HairlessApe

Oh neo96, you never fail to miss a point. Every time common sense, logic, and careful judgement show up you're there to scream incoherently into their faces.

So what does that have to do with 'Man face 13 years in prison for writing chalk outside a bank?

Absolutely nothing.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by HairlessApe

 

Oh neo96, you never fail to miss a point. Every time common sense, logic, and careful judgement show up you're there to scream incoherently into their faces.

So what does that have to do with 'Man face 13 years in prison for writing chalk outside a bank?

Absolutely nothing.

Firstly let me say I love you all. Even the ones I beat over the head. I cant help but think we are steel sharpening steel. With that said, he was replying to your misunderstanding of my post. Lol I love this kind of stuff. Hope no one takes any of the jabs to heart. Not directed towards you neo, your a big boy who can hold your own. But a few others have been taken to task and I just want to make clear I still value their opinions and love them all the same.

As an artisan and free thinking semi-revolutionary, I'm curious if anyone has found photos of this guys chalk art.

So far my searches have yielded little more results than hastily spray painted statements of rash anger that - as both an artist and revolutionary - I personally see as being boring, lazy and uninspired - born of frustration and impulsiveness with little merit - a.k.a. "Vandalism".

You're telling me no one out there snapped a picture of this guy's "protest statement" before the clean up?

I find that somewhat unusual. Must not have been very good.

Originally posted by GENERAL EYES
As an artisan and free thinking semi-revolutionary, I'm curious if anyone has found photos of this guys chalk art.

So far my searches have yielded little more results than hastily spray painted statements of rash anger that - as both an artist and revolutionary - I personally see as being boring, lazy and uninspired - born of frustration and impulsiveness with little merit - a.k.a. "Vandalism".

You're telling me no one out there snapped a picture of this guy's "protest statement" before the clean up?

I find that somewhat unusual. Must not have been very good.

Lol nah, a Banksy he was not. Just scribbled some website in chalk. Then got accused of "running a business outside the bank" lol. Was website trying to persuade people to join non profit credit unions. Admirable. But not artistic lol.

reply to post by StrangeTimez


Ah, thank you for clearing that up.

I had the feeling it was somehting along those lines, and I have to agree that constitutes vandalism in my book.

Free speech does not cover rabid outbursts, (imho). I know full well if I start going outside and screaming gibberish at random passerby I'll most likely meet with intervention and reprocussions. Hiding behind the First Amendment is a tale as old as time with some levels of awareness raising campaigns of that bent.

I knew kids back in the day who would toss out remedial understanings of their rights "under the law" to justify anything and everything they wanted to do.....it was ridiculous.

He's had his free speech moment already....the judge knew where it was headed (probably seen it a million times) and just nipped the whole fiasco in the bud.

reply to post by alfa1


I would hardly call water soluable chalk an "act of vanadalism" and even if it is, it certainly doesn't justify that kind of sentence. I would think a fine would be sufficient at most.

reply to post by GENERAL EYES


How would that constitute a rabid outburst? And if it were artistic would that justify it? Either way I guess its pointless. The fact remains the poor joe is being taken to task and being made an example of. I doubt graffiti artist in California are punished (charged) this severely. And they use spray paint and more often then not, just scribble tags.

reply to post by StrangeTimez


Well, protesting is an art.
Awareness raising on a mass level requires finesse to reach the most people.

I'm just of the opinion he could have taken a better course of action to get his message out.

I used to bank with BOA, and after being snubbed $30 for mere pennies on rare overdrafts by snotty bratty representatives who neglected to even consider my tenure with the institution and account history - I just dropped my account and walked to a better, more personable small time operation.

A gentle, polite and subtle flip of the bird on the way out.

I'm no fan of their policies or their treatment of customers, but there is a right way and a wrong way to go about things. We're not schoolchildren scribbling our desks and writing on bathroom walls anymore.

Right?

reply to post by GENERAL EYES


Gonna have to agree to disagree. My opinion is protesting can be an art but that is not a prerequisite. Protest is a reaction to something perceived as unjust or wrong. So only those who are artistic should be allowed to protest? I would agree art is probably the most valuable weapon we have when we protest, but there are people out there who ate more crayons then they colored with.

Now, it would have been way more palatable if he was artistic. As well as he would have one less charge if he drew a picture rather then scribbled a website. So he was crude. I still feel for the fellow.

reply to post by StrangeTimez


Honesty, the "art debate" aside - I feel for the guy too...he must have really been stressed out.

I hope the judge goes easy on him.

Say you had a house in a neighborhood, and some punk kid came over and drew offensive images against your teenage daughter in front of it, with the attitude "what, see it washes off, what's the big deal?" You know the kind. Backwards baseball hat, plaid flannel, faded jeans, bag of spraypaint, chalk, and a skateboard, and he grabs a few bucks out of his mom's wallet to buy cigarettes when she's not looking. Maybe you are one. Just a visual stereotype of the young jerk that the teachers say has ODD and you know if he doesn't change his ways he's going to be stuck with chemical addictions and evolving into more heinous crimes like stealing cars to maintain his lifestyle of defying authority at all costs. Are you surprised he finds his way into juvie?

When I read about a chalk protest, I think of that attitude that brings the stereotype. I don't see a grown man doing it, because most adults aren't so immature. Most adults get their dignity together and protest with signs not chalk. They find other ways to be activists. See when a bank washes off the chalk and he puts it on again, and this happens over and over again, that's illegal advertising not protesting. It's harassment of the people inside that bank, unless he's going to other banks to do it.

Now the 13 years is horrible. You wouldn't give a kid 13 years, why a grown man? Maybe months of community service and public humiliation for being a punk. But hey, if this isn't his first time getting into court for the offense, and he's ticked off the judge a couple times before with smaller sentences, he found his way there.

reply to post by Sandalphon


Do grown men throw tea off of a boat?

reply to post by sdcigarpig

But beyond that, did he have permission from the city to put such on a public walk? No. Did he have the right to draw or put anything on what would be considered public property? No.

what you fail to realize is that one does not *need* permission to perform an otherwise legal act. whitealice pointed out that chalk isn't held to be a pollutant when they do art shows.

vandalism is specifically defined as doing damage. you cannot deface a sidewalk with chalk.

Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
vandalism is specifically defined as doing damage. you cannot deface a sidewalk with chalk.

The bottom line comes down to what can the lowly guy use at BOA Branches 24/7 to spread his propaganda against them like they spread their filth on the airwaves with their money $$$?


If not water soluble chalk, then what?

We have seen what happens with protests against fascists.

Alex Jones had a pretty good idea when he mentioned this story.

He said on July fourth, we should all go out and write some "anti-NWO" stuff with chalk as a protest.

I, for one, am planning on doing this. Being an artist, I can have fun with it. I'm going down town, in the middle of the city early in the morning, gonna find a big concrete canvas, and draw an Anti-NWO message with a cool picture or something, and make sure its somewhere where all the people who will come in the afternoon and evening to watch the firework show will see it.

Let me get this right

Ruin the countries economy equals no jail time
Write something with a chalk outside a bank equals 13 years in prison


What a #ole

This is outrageously absurd beyond belief. So here you have a bank who pays someone 6k to remove it and threw in a caviar party it looks like too. Even if you went to the extreme of hiring a guy to pressure wash it all off, it's not going to cost 6 thousand dollars! The judge should also be disbarred for obviously being incompetent. 13 Years for such a petty crime?? What a bunch of horse sh..! Whatever happen to charging someone to do community service? So now tax payers have to pay 20-30k x13 a year to house this guy in prison. Have these people completely lost their F'ing minds?!?

I can´t recall precisely at the moment who said it, ´believe it was Voltaire who stated something like:
If you want to know who rules you, find out whom you cannot criticize without serious punishment.

:-/

reply to post by OccamsRazor04


You use the word "anywhere"... He wrote with chalk on a public sidewalk... not on someone's house.