You thought PRISM was something? Say hello to "Bonesaw." It may already have said hello to you.

Are you safe from Bonesaw if you only use your wireless phone for internet access?

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Maybe killing humans remotely is done with vehicles - electronic steering is compromised in some way and then human is driven into tree or trees so he can't report any wrong doing by the government. Who knows? The dead can't talk.

Originally posted by Painfulhead
"but thats nothing. the new xbox is going to spy on us".

us small sheep have a hard time thinking that far out of the box. its almost to much for me to think about. yet someone is way ahead of all of us ATSer. crazy stuff....... painfulhead

Correction, it is only the Kinect part of the Xbox that will be spying on the home dwellers.

Significant FedGov entities do not have any of their critical infrastructure physically connected to any networking hardware. FedGov critical business is done with military birds and couriers. Most everything else is bait with psy-op disinformation.

I read an article that said 40-60% of people can be replaced by technology today, theoretically, but it's not yet economically viable.

I don't think it's too difficult to see what's coming. The reason someone keeps secrets, and spies, is not to your benefit, but their own.

Basically what I see is the ability of the ruling class (who by proxy pwn these alphabet agencies and many of the NGO's), through compartmentalization, to take out whoever they want, by saying whatever they want as a justification.

It will happen over time, layer after layer of advancements will lead to sects of society being wiped out. A global holocaust has been underway since 2008, led by a revolution in integrative technologies.

The end result is a shaping up of the species, except we're no longer homo-sapiens, per se. We'll be transhumanists.

Are you fit enough to make the transition? Statistically, I think each of us has a slim chance.

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I accept responsibility and bow down to our cyber overlords.

suprised no i have friends in the military who have told me the same about how far the tech is ahead of civis .

i know somebody who had his door kicked in by the law and spent a weekend in the cells when he got home his laptop & home pc were both wiped clean ???? .

he has never looked up porn ever and did nothing to be arrested for of course we are watched

While I do think PRISM is just the tip of the iceberg...I think this "whistleblower" is lying and just doing it for publicity sake.

What he says is very lie-like. It's too detailed. I've studied Psychology and one thing I've always paid close attention to is how people lie.
There are details where a normal person wouldn't put details, making me conclude he's lying.

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You have good points also new cars are coming out that will be driver free and on a grid via gps and wifi. I can see this being a major concern.

Im not too thrilled about being able to kill a target remotely.

What do they do...send a terminate carrier wave over your house or apartment wiring or electronics.

Wake up one day and kill yourself for no reason.


Not good technology.

Originally posted by aboutface

Originally posted by silent thunder

Marketing documents say “the Bonesaw platform provides a complete environment for intelligence analysts and mission planners to take a holistic approach to target discovery, reducing the time to create actionable intelligence and operational plans from days to minutes..."

I think I'll have to make extra strong coffee this morning. And while it's being made, would someone be nice enough to tell me what the hell does 'a holistic approach to target discovery' mean?

Holistic means you consider everything at once - you don't do one thing at a time (get web browser version, IP address, OS version, hardware settings, CPUID serial number, hard disk drive serial numbers). You just get everything you could ever want in one go. So you know exactly where and how to go about permanently incapacitating that target.

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All I read is it knows how to place an IP address to a map, and do cursory port scans to determine what exploits may be there, IF any, and can tell you if someone is maybe running firefox or IE.

Pretty much any one with any scripting knowledge can do this.

But if the nsa is attributing it to some super secret 'endgame' bonesaw program, it must be terrible news, pukeworthy and really really freaky.

You are right, I found myself thinking the same type of thing and read your post and wanted to tell you that I agree.

It sounds like nmap, to me, only I bet the learning curve on their stuff is a lot less steep. Makes a little sense now how a horde of associate's degreed INFOSEC admins can suddenly be employed to operate this stuff.

Did you look at those 'code-names' that were posted that were gleaned from LinkedIn?

www.techdirt.com...

With names like ARCMAP, FASTSCOPE and DISHFIRE?

If you take that in to consideration along with this thread, then, to me, it starts to get very creepy.

If you 'pipe' that data from the nmap-like thingy in to, say, ArcGIS, and then ol' FASTSCOPE and DISHFIRE up there get ahold of it?

Sounds like finding people 'right now', in real time.

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Now that was one hell of an article!

Originally posted by Painfulhead
"but thats nothing. the new xbox is going to spy on us".

us small sheep have a hard time thinking that far out of the box. its almost to much for me to think about. yet someone is way ahead of all of us ATSer. crazy stuff....... painfulhead

ya the kinetic is still way more powerful then there toys...Or wait the two are one and the same. I dont know man, knowing were everybody is world wide and spying on them is kind of redundant to me as even without any tech that is not hard to do humans are not all that complicated of creatures, the most of daily events are just ritual. Eventually as technology slowly becomes more engrossed in our civilization it will displace the human element, it's how everything in this universe works. When you introduce something there is either a symbiotic result or a displacing result. Most often there is a bit of both. They are ultimately just building the framework for there own demise and eventual displacement, but all that is still some ways of. So meh! whatever! I read the article, the majority of it seems to just be dramatized bunch of nothings. Which in itself is dangerous, like giving fireworks to 5 year old it has the potential to mess with things as our world and the way we do things such as daily transactions through digital medias can be easily interrupted, counterfeited or destroyed, its just basically bussiness as ussual.

Here check out the numbers of cyberwariors from the site...Lots of monies going to this, its got the makings of a system of governance, or a lot of bots and disinfo people out there, either way sounds like big business as usual. It just means there is a lot of fake and a lot of bull# out there in the world wide web. Gee who knew.

Meanwhile, the 531,000-square-foot operations center will house more than 1,300 people. In all, the buildings will have a footprint of 1.8 million square feet. Even more ambitious plans, known as Phase II and III, are on the drawing board. Stretching over the next 16 years, they would quadruple the footprint to 5.8 million square feet, enough for nearly 60 buildings and 40 parking garages, costing $5.2 billion and accommodating 11,000 more cyberwarriors.

Advanced system the government has ... geesh

It wouldn't surprise me if they do have it, but does that mean I have to fear them? Well, I guess I need to be afraid of an ant too ... after all, it can bite.

My experience with it is, that what you have to fear is not their "advancement", but their stupidity. It's their stupidity that is the greatest danger that we face. If the government had the ability to peek up my hiney, I wouldn't mind as long as it was in the hands of people who knew what they were doing, and had some sense of respect and dignity.

They don't ... they're for the most part, stupid muscle monkeys. And that's a really, really "kind" description.

We all have a huge electronic footprint now. Debit card transactions toll transponders on our cars, smartphones. "They" pretty much know everything about us. I personally think they know the difference between little people and people they need to worry about. 99.9999999 percent of us fall in category 1.

Originally posted by stormcell

Originally posted by aboutface

Originally posted by silent thunder

Marketing documents say “the Bonesaw platform provides a complete environment for intelligence analysts and mission planners to take a holistic approach to target discovery, reducing the time to create actionable intelligence and operational plans from days to minutes..."

I think I'll have to make extra strong coffee this morning. And while it's being made, would someone be nice enough to tell me what the hell does 'a holistic approach to target discovery' mean?

Holistic means you consider everything at once - you don't do one thing at a time (get web browser version, IP address, OS version, hardware settings, CPUID serial number, hard disk drive serial numbers). You just get everything you could ever want in one go. So you know exactly where and how to go about permanently incapacitating that target.

It seems even more ominous than that to me. Note the words 'target discovery'. To me it can also signify entering desired parameters and coming up with a list of hitherto unknown targets.

Originally posted by GeneralChaos
There is NO putting the Genie back in the bottle.
This will continue until the people the world over revolt and destroy the monetary system and learn to govern themselves

OR

We become helplessly, hopelessly, and totally enslaved by the technology.

I think we've already became hopeless, and totally enslaved by the technology. I don't get why people think we can stop them. Alex Jones is always preaching "if people wake up we will stop them" how? With technology this advanced they can wipe you out before you can get to them. They can kill anyone that gets in their way.

People still don't get it. beware the stranger bearing gifts

What did people expect really? People are being fed like pigs ready to go to the slaughter house. Feeding them facebook, instagram twitter... MTV.

Bliss.

The part is it is to late for things to change. When I still went to school I had to find out what my assignments where via Facebook. If you will wanna have a job you will need a facebook.

You can't unplug anymore. to late guys.

Originally posted by NoSoul

Originally posted by GeneralChaos
There is NO putting the Genie back in the bottle.
This will continue until the people the world over revolt and destroy the monetary system and learn to govern themselves

OR

We become helplessly, hopelessly, and totally enslaved by the technology.

I think we've already became hopeless, and totally enslaved by the technology. I don't get why people think we can stop them. Alex Jones is always preaching "if people wake up we will stop them" how? With technology this advanced they can wipe you out before you can get to them. They can kill anyone that gets in their way.

edit on 23-6-2013 by NoSoul because: (no reason given)

No, "they" cannot kill everyone who gets in their way or opposes "them". There are not enough of "them" to get away with it. The ones who are directing this madness don't do any of the dirty work. They have others do it for them. I believe there is a line of excess they dare not cross because if and when they cross that line their entire house of cards will fall and crush them.