Hastings Death And The Snowden Leaks - Is There A Connection?

June 18 Michael Hastings dies in car 'accident'

June 18 Hastings contacted WikiLeaks lawyer Robinson, saying that the FBI was investigating him.

June 17 Snowden: 'Government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me. Truth is coming, and it cannot be stopped.'

June 10 Snowden is identified as the NSA-whistleblower behind Glenn Greenwald's story in the Guardian

June 7 Hastings LAST article: Why Democrats Love To Spy On Americans Guys, this one is a must read!!!

June 6 Glenn Greenwald breaks the NSA story in an exclusive on the Guardian


Seriously!? Connect the dots! Michael Hastings had an 'accident' because he already had some (yet unpublished) information that together with some of Snowdens infos would have added up to something much more threatening for the three letter agencies and/or the administration...

or

Hastings fate was intended to discourage Snowden and investigative journalists like Glenn Greenwald from publishing further (and probably even more damaging) material on the NSA.

That at least is my take on this! Please do read Hastings LAST article: Why Democrats Love To Spy On Americans It will blow your mind!

I really disagree here and the reason is pretty simple. The Government doesn't really have an interest in killing someone like Hastings. It made more sense for some to suggest a personal grudge between the General, with all the power and connections even a retired one has. That would track for reasoning anyway....although not terribly likely either, IMO.

If he was killed for his work then it would come out on a guy like this. Definitely to the satisfaction of urban legend status among the very groups the Government would least like to see that outcome with. Making a martyr out of a pain in the butt is never a good idea.

What I think would have happened if Hastings were tied up with the Snowden thing in a way beyond his regular professional role, would be to have simply 'seen' him disappear and leave a little mystery there. Perhaps illegal substances to be found in his apartment. Kiddie porn on his computer to wonder about. That sort of thing.

Then he would have woken up in a black prison that isn't supposed to exist, to spend quality time with Government people who do things the United States insists it doesn't do. (That would be nice to see people demand a look into, as well)

There is another question that's important and would be expected on this, if a conspiracy. What happened to his home? His home computer? Any coincidental burglaries or inexplicable computer crash the next time someone turned on his machine for inventory or standard checking after the crash? That would lend some credence, since it wouldn't just be what he knew ...but where he wrote or shared it as well, right?

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


points well taken - let me add some more speculation:

The government, the agencies, even individual spooks may actually be in panic mode because of the enormity of what they think will be leaked if they can't prevent it. I want to avoid discussing details of the accident in this thread - there is already a good one for that topic - but some of the details combined with the timing make me go: what are the odds?

Inbetween I am not at all convinced that Hastings is dead. The accident may indeed have been smoke and mirrors to get him into one of those black prisons you mention.

Other options include the usual cui bono and that would basically mean any organisation that could pull it off and wants to throw dirt at the administration, the NSA, etc.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
I really disagree here and the reason is pretty simple. The Government doesn't really have an interest in killing someone like Hastings. It made more sense for some to suggest a personal grudge between the General, with all the power and connections even a retired one has. That would track for reasoning anyway....although not terribly likely either, IMO.

I figured that this line of thinking would have been thrown out the window with the latest revelations from our dear government and their agencies. To say they had no interest in killing him falls right in line with saying they had no reason to spy on us if we were doing nothing wrong. Let's face it, the days of the government using critical thinking and justifiable means to guide them have long been tossed away, and the days of the over reaching government that answers to only themselves are here to stay.

The reasoning they used could have been anything, but to dismiss it out of hand just doesn't seem logical at this point.

reply to post by SpaDe_


Well, the body substitution theory the OP suggests is interesting....especially since physical proof would be easy to verify either way at the L.A. County coroners office. I do think a world of difference exists between the Government becoming the super-snoop it's dreamed of being for 5 decades because technology finally allowed it and the madness since 2001 actually crossing into targeted assassination of US citizens on major US city streets.

I believe I've read that the pathology/toxicology report will take weeks and that's a bit odd.... Perhaps he was a bit intoxicated somehow. By choice or other? That report should answer that.

Overtly though, there is a big lump of logic for a problem I can't get past on thinking his death on that street was deliberately caused. It would have to have required the cooperation of the LAPD. At least passively. A cop car could have turned a corner and seen it all just by happenstance, with no warning at all... With that in mind, one thing which growing up around the police culture did teach me is that cops gossip and tell stories like sailors. Keeping secrets is ....unlikely enough to never rely on, IMO. It makes for a stop for my thinking, anyway.

I think there IS a connection. This is just speculation, but these young men (29 and 33 yrs. old) are cut from a different cloth of our times. Their loyalty is to their principles, not to a government nor a Party affiliation. You may think that right or wrong, but it's a new indigo kind of day.


One of them, Snowden, is a sensitive nerdy technical genius and the other, Hastings, an investigative journalist with a strong sense of independence and a compulsion to find Truth. His worldview screamed to be voiced and cataloged for the world to hear and see.

Both, in their own respective ways, knew HOW to get information....information of importance to the big picture of our time. And in today's world, INFORMATION is the new GOLD! With the right information, people, governments, institutions, and markets can be manipulated and directed, for good....or, for bad.

I would like to know, if under NDAA, would the information that either of the young men had in their possession qualify them for one of O's drone strikes? What do you think?

In my opening post I recommended to read the following article: link

Not only was it Michael Hastings VERY LAST published article but the actual LAST SENTENCE of this article is:

Perhaps more information will soon be forthcoming.

Ooookay, stop here a moment and let this sink in! Consider his character! By all accounts he seems to have been very direct, very aggressive, very in your face! Closing this article on this note - I don't know how you interprete it but here is my take: I get the feeling he was reminding somebody through a very public channel of a very private conversation. Something along the lines of 'either you come clean or I will go public'. Now if I am right this contrast of a very public message as a reminder to a very private conversation probably made somebody extremely uncomfortable. With this firmly in mind go back over the timeline of events I lined out in my opening post!

reply to post by MindBodySpiritComplex


If I were forced to concede that this was some sort of payback; and if I were forced to make a guess, I'd lay it at the feet of Rahm Emanuel. He's a hater, a bully, and the worst type of thug--and he had his own run-in with Hastings last year. Revenge is a dish, as they say, best served cold....

Breitbart.

Shortly before he died in a fiery single-car accident, Michael Hastings sent an e-mail to his colleagues at BuzzFeed that alarmed a close friend.

He CCed his friend Staff Sgt. Joseph Biggs, who shared the e-mail with KTLA. "It alarmed me very much," he told the TV station. "It didn't seem like him [...] and I just had this gut feeling that really bothered me."

link





The text of the e-mail (typing this out by hand from the screenshot - please check for mistakes before requoting):

From: Michael Hastings
Date: Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:56 PM
Subject: FBI investigations, re: NSA

'Hey... ...the Feds are interviewing my "close friends and associates." Perhaps if the authorities
arrive "BuzzFeed GQ, er HQ, may be wise to immediately request legal counsel before any conversations or interviews about our news-gathering practices or related journalism issues.

Also: I'm on a big story, and need to go off the radar for a bit.

All the best, and hope to see you all soon.

Hmmm, the thought hadn't occurred to me before this, but what better way to 'go off the radar for a bit' then to wait until 4 o'clock in the morning, put a brick on your gas pedal and a timed explosive under the seat and let the thing run down the street and crash into a tree, exploding into flames so spectacular that no one can approach until the thing has been completely consumed? And there's no way to positively identify a body after that except by dental records. (There was a body, right? Has anyone mentioned that...?)

And yes, toxicology results take weeks to get back but a body that's been in that amount of fire won't be easily assessed for alcohol levels. Since I haven't heard anything about this guy being a drinker and his profession would seem to indicate against that, and since closing time at bars is hours before this accident, it very much looks like something else entirely; that it was planned to happen at the least populous time of the entire day.

I really hope he's simply gone underground and is not dead. We can't afford to lose any of these guys.

I'm starting to wonder why Glenn Greenwald lives in Brazil and Max Keiser in Paris. Is the U.S. safe anymore for people with courage? What do they know that we don't?

Originally posted by signalfireI really hope he's simply gone underground and is not dead. We can't afford to lose any of these guys.

I really hope so ! but not holding my breath.


It would seem some people are finally starting to ask the right questions:

What ‘Big Story’ Was Michael Hastings Working On When He Died?

Do folks really think this reporter may have faked his own death with a planted body?

If so he is in serious trouble.

Originally posted by JayinAR
Do folks really think this reporter may have faked his own death with a planted body?

If so he is in serious trouble.

Well, yes actually I would not exclude that possibility - more likely though the 'dark forces' faked his death to question him out of the public's view or assassinated him!

Let's quote a bit from What ‘Big Story’ Was Michael Hastings Working On When He Died? shall we?

Yet in an e-mail sent Monday afternoon to one of his colleagues at the liberal blog BuzzFeed, Hastings mentioned neither of those stories. Instead, the subject line was “FBI investigation, re: NSA.” Hastings wrote that the FBI was “interviewing my ‘close friends and associates,’” and suggested that if the FBI contacted BuzzFeed, it “may be wise to immediately request legal counsel before any conversations or interviews about our news-gathering practices or related journalism issues.” Hastings’ reference to the National Security Agency, whose surveillance programs were recently exposed by a former contract worker, Edward Snowden, seemed to imply that this was also the reason for his concern about the FBI. In his last article for BuzzFeed on June 7, Hastings cited the NSA scandal in denouncing “Obama’s national security state.” Yet his e-mail Monday also included this unexplained sentence: “I’m onto a big story, and need to go off the radar for a bit.” About 15 hours after he sent that e-mail, Hastings was killed when his Mercedes-Benz C250 sports coupe slammed head-on into palm tree near the intersection of Highland and Melrose avenues. Was the “big story” about the NSA? And what was Hastings doing in the final hours of his life? Those questions remain unanswered

Updated Timeline:


June 18 Michael Hastings dies in car 'accident'

June 18 Hastings contacted WikiLeaks lawyer Robinson, saying that the FBI was investigating him.

June 17 Hastings e-mails a friend: I'm on a big story, and need to go off the radar for a bit.

June 17 Snowden: 'Government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me. Truth is coming, and it cannot be stopped.'

June 12 Hastings twitter feed goes silent (last tweet at 9:44 PM)

June 9 Snowden is identified as the NSA-whistleblower behind Glenn Greenwald's story in the Guardian

June 8 "Intelligence officials overheard joking about how NSA leaker should be 'disappeared' after handing classified documents to press"

June 7 Hastings LAST article: Why Democrats Love To Spy On Americans

June 5 Glenn Greenwald breaks the NSA story in an exclusive on the Guardian


Hat tip to dreamingawake for this:

Originally posted by dreamingawake

With all that has gone on lately such as Hastings death and this released:
"Intelligence officials overheard joking about how NSA leaker should be 'disappeared' after handing classified documents to press" - See here

This deserves more attention.

Any other missing pieces that would fit in with this?

snowden is a snowjob, and where there's a snowjob there's a blowjob that needs to be done by a snow blower

Who killed Michael Hastings? This video is a good summary of the mysteries surrounding his death. It was published yesterday (Jun 28) and will take only 6 minutes of your time:

reply to post by MindBodySpiritComplex


Brietbart and Hastings were murdered by the alphabet agencies.

Snowden is distraction - the MSM are all over it. What did/has snowden released that any intelligent member of society didn't know already? We are all spied on? You didn't know that already?

Whatever Hastings and Brietbart knew - was enough to scare anyone else who had family to consider.

But most of us have already put the pieces together already.

reply to post by Happy1


Look at the 9/11 truth teller who was killed along with his children - and dog - in california recently.

A strong warning sent.

Updated timeline NEW: May 20 - Hastings states on TV: "...government, 'we declare war on you...'

A Timeline of Hastings NSA Snowden Related Events v. 3.1

May 20 - Hastings states on TV: "...government, 'we declare war on you'..."

May 20 - Snowden arrives in Hong Kong with 4 laptops giving him access to top-classified US secrets

Jun 5 - Greenwald breaks the NSA story in an exclusive on the Guardian

Jun 7 - Hastings LAST article: Why Democrats Love To Spy On Americans - LAST SENTENCE of this article is:

Perhaps more information will soon be forthcoming.

Jun 8 - "Intelligence officials overheard joking about how NSA leaker should be 'disappeared' after handing classified documents to press"

Jun 9 - Snowden is identified as the NSA-whistleblower behind Glenn Greenwald's story in the Guardian

Jun 12 - Hastings twitter feed goes silent

Jun 17 - Snowden: "Government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me. Truth is coming, and it cannot be stopped."

Jun 17 - Hastings mails a friend: "I'm on a big story, and need to go off the radar for a bit"

Jun 18 - Hastings contacted WikiLeaks lawyer Robinson, saying that the FBI was investigating him.

Jun 18 - Michael Hastings dies disappears in car accident


Please point out any errors or missing events that you think add to the picture!