Prominent Scientists Sign Declaration that Animals have Conscious Awareness

reply to post by Chopper


Well, sir, I sincerely hope you enjoy the cancer that often comes paired with the consumption of tortured flesh.

Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
reply to post by madmac5150

 

Uh, what? I don't think this is going to push Eugenics into the political arena, Hitler gave it too bad of a rap for anyone to poke it with a 10-foot-pole. I guess we have him to thank for that.

We already have Eugenics. It's called Planned Parenthood.

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I think that limiting our understanding and potential in this way is short-sighted. What we cannot yet imagine will come to be...

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eople eat meat because they enjoy the taste. Why do we enjoy the taste? Probably because evolutionary forces have conditioned gustatory-olfactory neurons in our brains to enjoy it's flavor.

You do not enjoy the taste of meat. You enjoy the taste of processed meat. Things that have been cooked or flavoured etc. Be honest now when was the last time you looked at a cow and started to salivate. Probably never and that is the difference between you and a carnivore..

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You enjoy the taste of processed meat.

OBVIOUSLY. That was pointless to point out.

When someone says "I like fur", no one bothers to wonder "does she mean fur, or processed fur (after taken from an animal)".

It's obvious. In fact, our bodies no longer possess the digestive antibodies to deal with the bacteria in uncooked meat. We would get sick. Every year, 33 million people with a penchant for uncooked meat get sick because of the pathogens in it.

Probably never and that is the difference between you and a carnivore..

umm, did this make sense in your head before you wrote this? I never said humans were carnivorous. I said omnivore - meat + vegetation. Evolutionary forces have made us omnivoric.

And yes, If I smell a steak being cooked, my mouth tends to water.

reply to post by purplemer


When I catch a big catfish, I see something to eat. I've eaten smelt immediately after pulling them through the hole in the ice on Lake Champlain.
Deer have a similar effect on me. I see steaks when they walk across a road in front of me.
But there isn't a lot of processing involved for me. I can have 90% of the usable meat off a deer carcass in 20 minutes without gutting it or completely skinning it. Usually there is a bit of deer sushi consumption while the flesh is still quivering.
I stand above the tigers and lions, I am an omnivore.

Originally posted by ColeYounger
Most animals are more conscious, more sentient, than the average human lumbering about. If you doubt this, go visit a WalMart.

This right here should end all questions and the thread.

Originally posted by butcherguy
reply to post by tkwasny

 

You may want to read your own post and take the lecture on ego to heart.
I have never stated what I believe, only that there are possibilities, and that to rely on your own consciousness to make a proof on the existence of other beings having consciousness is not possible.

If ever anything is new to you it means there are others above your level of consciousness, on the same as your, below yours.

So where do inventions come from?

It is called modulation.

In electronics, injecting two frequencies of energy into a non-linear device causes the output to be the original two frequencies, their sum and their difference.

In people, when they collaborate information (two frequencies) the non-linear device(s) being the brains, not only is that original information stored in those people, but there is output harmonics of their sum and difference.

These are some of the sources of inventions.

There is also discrimination and de-modulation processes in both electronics and the human mind.

I think the scientists' statement is more likely to have the study of consciousness and awareness behind it than anything else. As others have pointed out, anyone who lives or works with animals knows perfectly well that they are conscious and aware, but scientifically it's very difficult to get hold of what consciousness and awareness actually are. The more scientists understand what they are, the more they could tie that understanding to their observations of animals. The significant part of the statement is not that animals are conscious and aware, but that they are just as much so as humans. In saying that, they are separating out from things like cognitive abilities, which just as obviously vary.

On the other hand, it might well be true that an agenda is mixed up with this pronouncement somewhere, or at least, is likely to make use of it.

I think without saying, some are trying to absolve themselves from the terrible slaughterhouses and death, also the taste of impending death. Do animals understand their own mortality? In the now, recognizing it? Thus their impending sorrows in ending life, and unfairness of it all.

News flash......
Experts have reaveled that experts are not that expert after all. Who would of thought?


In other news:
A 10 year study conducted by expert scientist has proven that common sense is not that common. That's right, common sense is actually uncommon in today's world. The team of scientist were the only subjects who participated in the research.



Maybe we should wait before making another war, wait for the scientist to conduct a research to see if it is good or okay or not that bad to kill innocent children. We have to be objective you know. You never know what the results might be.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov

Originally posted by intrptr
reply to post by Jauk3

 

Those Mimic Octopi are astounding. They mimic shapes and colors of other animals around it. How does it do that without a mirror to practice in front of?

Natural selection, I'm guessing. All the crap mimic octopi are dead. The ones that didn't need a mirror to get it right lived to pass on their genes.

I can buy that, sort of. My point was about awareness. They see the need to camouflage themselves from your point of view. Thats not only awareness of self but of what and how others "think".

Originally posted by madmac5150

Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
reply to post by madmac5150

 

Uh, what? I don't think this is going to push Eugenics into the political arena, Hitler gave it too bad of a rap for anyone to poke it with a 10-foot-pole. I guess we have him to thank for that.

We already have Eugenics. It's called Planned Parenthood.

Hitlers "Eugenics" measured peoples physical traits like facial features and skull "bumps". Hardly the genetic approach we use today.

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Yeah well, can you construct me a shaped pools and a swim up cabana already so I can enjoy your construct too !

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They have consciousness to a certain degree (they are aware about things) but they have no soul. If they had a soul they would know the difference between good and bad. We humans know that difference but because we are partly higher being and partly animal, it must been said that the animal part is most often stronger.

Originally posted by mc_squared
reply to post by Kali74

 

Another weird irony: being meat eaters is what helped us develop brains big enough in the first place to question whether eating meat is "right".

Actually, last I heard, there was no serious scientific backing behind the theory of meat helping our brains develop. There has, instead, turned up studies connecting out brain development/evolution (if you believe in evolution) to starches. A quick internet search should pull up some articles on it.

Originally posted by Char-Lee

Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
I eat meat because it's damn good. I can see how if the animals we eat are conscious that it becomes a touchy issue, but I still think it's the natural cycle of things for animals to eat other animals, regardless of if they are conscious or not. Although I do think the way we cage up and mass produce animals for eating is quite immoral if those animals are conscious. We should at least be providing them with open land and space to live in the time that they are alive.

But this really does not shock me at all... most people who have owned a cat or dog will tell you without a doubt that those animals are capable of feeling emotions and demonstrate many other forms of higher level behavior. My cat can most certainly feel emotions such as fear, loneliness, playfulness, anger, jealousy, and an array of other emotions. It can recognize it's own image in a mirror and can communicate many different thoughts to me through it's cat language.

Most of the time my cat is a friendly and affectionate animal, but it still goes out and hunts other animals, it tears things apart limb by limb like some sort of bloodthirsty psychopath. Some times it brings parts of the dead thing to me acting like it's done something good. I get angry of course but I can't really do much because it's in the cats nature to kill things and eat them. Just as it is in the nature of humans to eat meat, there's nothing inherently wrong with it.

Out of all the reasons to eat something I feel that "it tastes great" is to me the worst. Maybe human tastes great, how about babies? The asians have taken to eating living frogs, maybe they taste really great. They also wat living chicks as they are ready to leave the egg, they warm to the painful stage but don't kill and eat it raw.

Look at the yummy stuff here they say it all tastes great, is that how we decide things in life? By our taste buds?
myperuvianadventures.wordpress.com...

You mentioned the possibility of humans tasting great. According to the Donner Party humans taste like pork! Oh, and you forgot to include, while mentioning asians, the chinese actually eat human fetuses. So apparently, humans, in any form, taste great! *pukes*

Just some random fun info.

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I'm glad this has finally been brought up. The next step for the movement is to understand that plants are similarly aware and should be affored the same treatment and protection. They live their own lives without your coming along and trying to eat them. When all this can be truly understood it will be a great day for everyone, and bring about a prosperious future.

Originally posted by oldmeatwad
reply to post by butcherguy

 

Yeah well, can you construct me a shaped pools and a swim up cabana already so I can enjoy your construct too !

It may be your construct.
If so,where are my goodies?

Originally posted by butcherguy

It is entirely possible that I am the only conscious being in existence and that everything else is just a construct in that consciousness.

"entirely possible"? only inside your head