My reaction to the EDL.

I am here to speak to you,
In a language you understand,
Not the voice of reason and passion,
But a speech delivered,
From a bunched up hand,

I am here to educate you,
And your stunted inbred spawn,
Teach you that your hatred and anger,
So ill considered,
Earns you nothing but scorn,

Xenophobic psychopaths,
One and all,
You better be listening,
Because this is the final call,
There is no forgiveness,
Only a terminal fall,
You swastika waving bastards,
Well now the worm has turned,
No escape is on the cards,
Just the crisp and crackle,
As your diseased flesh begins to burn,

See its my right and duty,
To protect the human race,
And by your very own logic,
You're due a hammer to the face,
So brace yourselves,
You wastes of flesh,
Prepare yourselves to die,
There will be a reckoning,
Between you and I.

TrueBrit Not a big fan of the EDL but am a big fan of people who want to be heard.

reply to post by coolcatt


I am a big fan of people who want to be heard. But that is not what the EDL represent. They are no better than the Nazis, the BNP, the Blackshirts, the KKK or any other bunch of freedom haters. They want everyone to be the same colour and creed, for there to be no individuals left in the world.

My grandfathers fought for better than this, and the poem above is how the hate expressed by the EDL makes me feel about them, about them treading on my grandfathers memory, and on the memory of every brave serviceman who fought the Nazis.

Originally posted by coolcatt

TrueBrit Not a big fan of the EDL but am a big fan of people who want to be heard.

Of course, it helps if those who "want to be heard" actually have a message, and use the appropriate means to be heard too.

The EDL don't seem to have a message at all. They claim to be "defending" England, but from what exactly? How are they supposed to be "defending" anything other than hooliganism, racism, xenophobia and Nazism?

They have no message at all. They claim not to be racist, and yet they attack minority groups. They claim not to be against moderate Islam and claim to be supportive of freedom of religion, while attacking all Muslims in the same threats and "protests" (they're not protests, they're pub crawls).

The EDL has consistently shown that it is comprised of ignorant, racist, bigoted knuckle-draggers with nonsense rambling and confused opinions on everything from Islam to WW2. They are not defending anything other than ignorance, and one look at their stupid following of uneducated buffoons will prove that to any and all who bother to look.

Take 5 milligrams of valium for starters.

I've always been opposed to the EDL, from day one. I've got into many debates with the EDL fan boys that have come and gone on this site. I consider them my natural enemies. Having said that, I still think they have a right to protest. They have the freedom of speech to air their views no matter how abhorrent I believe them to be. That's what living in a free society is about.

Unless the EDL & BNP plus others who like Britain as it is today, unless we all work hard together the UK wont be for British white race at all, we are being taken over by Muslims, I will tell you that from 2010 8 out of every 10 births in the UK are not white British, 6 in 10 births are now Muslims, 2 in 10 are African blacks, the UK white race is doomed unless a brave large group can stop it from happening by 2020, because in 2020 9 out of 10 children will be Muslims, they breed faster and have bigger family than any other race today.

reply to post by Alternative4u


First of all, there is no such thing as the British white race, and there hasnt been since the Romans showed up here many many centuries ago. In fact, its hard to name a time when the British were alone here on this land, given that we had immigration well before the Romans, and at somepoint of course, we arrived here ourselves. We didnt spring up from the bloody rock upon which we stand.

FACT: Up until the slave trade began, after Henry the 8th had already had his day, we used to welcome visitors and people who had moved here from other lands. Theres evidence that many foreign people, some Arab, some from deepest Africa, made homes here, were welcomed, and even attained high office and the ear of our Kings and noblepersons.

It was only after the slave trade began in earnest that this ridiculous idea of race became even slightly important, or for that matter a factor on which to base an unreasoning amount of hate.

FACT: We are all, ALL immigrants to this great nation, and no one of us has the right to dictate what religions and skin colours must be the dominant ones. No one who has lived on this isle for hundreds upon hundreds of years has ANY right to claim that they have greater right to land and title, than anyone who arrived last week. You can argue that, but you will do so from a position of awe inspiring ignorance of both the history, and the ethical realities affecting this subject.

I can boil it down for you. If you are a nationalist, rather than a patriot, then you are doing it wrong. A patriot knows there is no such thing as a Briton who is anything other than an immigrant. A nationalist believes otherwise.

You can try and justify your anger and hatred anyway you want, tap dance here but you have too much violence in you. If it was not one group you hate you would hate another. People like you eventually end up in prison.

The world needs less hatred, not more and like i said everyone who hates another thinks their hatred is justified. That is why the world is in the shape it is in.

My other post was serious and if you need to talk to a professional psychiatrist.

reply to post by Malcher


Poetry is therapy. I understand myself well enough to deal with these emotions in a peaceful manner, its also why I play my bass guitar as if I was throttling someone. I have never left the house intending harm to anyone, and I have never dealt violence except in the defence of myself, or of another person. I am zero threat to anyone who does not mean myself, or others harm.

Anyone who falls outside that gets what they were going to get from someone, at somepoint, except obviously, they get it from me instead, if it happens to be me walking by when some poor bugger is getting his face kicked in.

reply to post by TrueBrit


Good post and well put. The EDL are no better than a bunch of Nazis. They will not bring anything harmonise to our culture.

First rule i live by is no one has the right to touch another unless they want you to. Sometimes people feel justified for focusing their anger on one group but really that just depends on the circumstances. Anger leads to many diseases and is detrimental to ones physical health...in the long term.

Take away one group and you will find another, like i said we try and justify it anyway we can and we find enablers but it isnt healthy.

A long time ago the Jefferson Airplane came out with a song. The song was called "do you want someone to love"

OK, in that song the line goes "do you want someone to love, do you NEED someone to love?"

It is a good message and a good song but i dont think the lyrics are accurate. Humans already have someone to love, even if it is themselves. So loving yourself takes away that need. Plus we have family members etc. and even if we didnt we love ourselves. Eating right, worrying if you heart palpitates are all signs that you love yourself so normally 100% percent of humans love themselves unless they have some other emotional problems.

So now we change the lyrics to "do you need someone to hate?" And the past few years I have concluded that is much more accurate when it comes to the human condition and has always been with the exception of maybe a relative handful who have no hatred because and they do exist but they get drowned out and even ostracized for being weak. We do live in an aggressive society and that is pretty much from one end to the other.

You always have to remember not everyone is going to think like you and you have to accept that.

Like i said change the circumstances and you would hate someone else. Could be another group protesting something you happen to like but you have no right to say these people cannot protest because then we become tyrants. In America we see things a little differently and are more accepting of other people opinions and differences. On the other hand, once you start dictating how people think, act, say, wear etc. then that doesnt go over too well, but there is nothing wrong with having an opinion only according to you there is.

Freedom means the right to say or wear what you want and other things too BUT once violence comes into it you are automatically wrong and there is no way you can be right. If someone calls your mother a bad name, that person was wrong, but if you punch him in the nose then you are wrong and what the other person said wont matter anymore. That is in most societies though.

reply to post by TrueBrit


Wow after reading the comments on this page am thinking you all know the EDL so well i mean nazi

Come on man. Nazi's well we all know once you mention the them the discussion is won

As i said am no lover of the EDL but am no hater unlike some of you on this topic.People are sick of whats going on in this country and YOU think the EDL are all thugs.How do you know cos they wear bandana's.As someone said if you show your face when protesting (anything)your a easy target for people like you who don't respect there thought on the subject in hand.

reply to post by Alternative4u


racist.......................................................

People take to the streets

reply to post by TrueBrit


ere ay dun be dissin the edl like innit
we jus wan britin to be ow it wuz
send al't muslamic sharuas back to whur they cum from innit
duz thee went sum of me pikey white cider ow pal? innit


A poem by an EDL member......

reply to post by woogleuk


You know what woogleuk? You're alright!

To other posters in the thread, who seem to be getting the wrong impression of me. I am not a puppy kicking, knuckle dragging thug with anger management issues. As the fact that I wrote a poem, rather than wandering off and making a mountain out of the stinking, slowly cooling offal of those who offend me, should attest, this anger has been managed.

However, that I feel the way I feel should be a matter of record. You will note that at this time, I am posting on ATS, rather than wandering round the back of an EDL haunt, sealing the fire escape with instant grab adhesive, then firebombing the front door, and waiting outside it with a felling axe to ensure that any who brave the flames to escape, perish with sucking wounds to thier chests, and/or partial decapitations. I am saving lives, just by posting poetry.

I wouldnt want to sacrifice my soul by killing another human being. That is not what I am about, that is not who I am. But I am also a human being, and there has to be AN outlet for fury. That I have chosen poems rather than bullets and blades, is a victory over the more harmful elements of human nature, a victory which the people about whom this poem was written, are incapable of ever tasting.

reply to post by coolcatt


I dont respect thier thoughts on the subject, because they havent thought about it at all. They are attacking the wrong people for a start. If they want the immigration laws changed, they need to concentrate ALL thier efforts on parliamentary process, because that is the only way to get those laws changed, which the leadership of the EDL (who are to a man members of the National Front, Combat 18, and various other psuedo military organisations) know all too well.

But thier problem is not with immigration, that is a ruse they use to dupe those who have been affected by immigration into following them on facebook, and eventually usurping the genuine fustrations of otherwise innocent individuals, and turning them in to drooling, maladjusted mongers of hate, ready to open the incinerators and pile them high with Muslims. I cannot accept the ruse, because it is so utterly transparent that you could make a bloody conservatory with it!

As they have demonstrated, thier hatred is for the entire Muslim faith. Thier press statements say otherwise, but the unguarded comments of thier ranks will attest that they ARE faith haters, and that is not acceptable. It is not a legitimate political position, since no political position rooted in xenophobia can stand up in parliament, nor in the EU court of human rights, and I believe, not in the courts in this country either. THAT is what I have a problem with. I FULLY understand thier thoughts. I have heard them before, seen them spoken on old video from the thirties and forties, and they havent changed a damned bit. The only difference is the date, and the faith, and there is nothing else to seperate them.

It will not stand.

reply to post by woogleuk


hahaha muslamics. I guess you saw the same youtube video I did



Yes they are idiots, and not very well educated. However, was it not fear and loathing in Germany that brought about the rise of power of the Third Reich.

However, what do you do about people that say they want to destroy the core of the country in which that stand, and spit on our armed forces. The other side are not all angels themselves.

What should happen is a resurgence in the understanding our of own culture, history and traditions, and celebrate those, instead of feeling ashamed by them. Or worse being called racist for it. Or even world, when it is only "permissible" to fly the cross of St George during the world cup. No, we, the majority, have to bring and demonstrate the joy to be had in being English, and not concentrate on the rambling of a bunch of hooligans looking for a scapegoat.

ETA; whoever made that video is a freaking genius!! hahahaha so funny!

reply to post by JakiusFogg


Thats the best question in this thread.

The answer is simple. There are those in our nation now, who have come from far across the world to hunker down and hide from evil regiemes, from dictators, from cartels, warlords, death and bombing (much of which done by the west, including Britain). Amongst this multitude are a very small minority of people, who wish us harm. Thier numbers are small, but because the media loves a nutter, they are well publicised, and well funded from terror organisations. They appear to be a bigger spectre than they are, purely because of the attention they recieve, and the public reaction to thier presence.

This leads to a completely false impression of the numbers involved and therefore the risk posed. Its also fair to say, that the ability to be scared of an invader, rather than concerned for them, marks one out as a raging tit, and of no use to the nation. You shouldnt fear those that wish us harm, or the harm they could potentially do. Getting blown up all to bits would be better than becoming a xenophobe, purely because there is danger. To allow such a thing would be allowing ignorance to win out over reason, and that cannot be allowed to happen. To much has been sacrificed in this nations history to allow that to come to pass.

The EDL kicking off, grinding away at the whole Muslim community, is no more sensible than helping a bomber get his backpack on a bus. Thier actions use up valueable resources which SHOULD be being used to find the REAL terrorists. How many man hours of policing could have been ploughed exclusively into anti terror matters, which were instead wasted policing the vile rant fests of the EDL?

There are ways of dealing with things with dignity, without drunken skinheads displaying thier hatred, thier disrespect for our ancestors, thier utter lack of morality. The EDL are not for England, they are for racism and Nazism. These therefore, serve no actual purpose in dealing with the threats, real or imagined, that face our nation.

reply to post by TrueBrit


All good points.

But I want to get your feelings on

1. English is now the minority language in London (not tourists)
2. the persistent encroachment of central and local government to oppress and label any display of national pride (except on national events) as racist.
3. The seeming scared bias the police had towards not dealing with ethic trouble makers.