This might be the reason why TPTB fears NSA leak

Hi to all ATSers,

As many might already know, the Edward Snowden revelations as an ex-formal NSA worker went around the globe. We heard a lot about the NSA leaks concerning monitoring of U.S. citizens, restriction of privacy with cell phones, etc.

Although what I did not see anywhere in any thread other than the one I will post, is the link between the NSA and Majestic-12.

www.abovetopsecret.com...


One might be very surprised to see such links between two organizations, but seeing how ferocious the media seems to be discrediting the public image of Snowden led me to think there could be more to it than simply privacy invasion.

I thought it worth the shot doing this thread, because I can not prove it, but if I am right, this could the beginning of unveiling something much bigger in the world of conspiracy than it is allowed to even be imagined.





Thruthseek3r

reply to post by thruthseek3r


I see no link between Edward Snowden and anything to do with Majestic-12 or any suggestion that he has anything to offer the UFO community .

As for the link you posted ....

By William Cooper

In other words not to be taken seriously .

reply to post by gortex


I do not know the guy personally, but I found out in the story that the NSA was created in parallel with Majestic-12. As I said, by seeing how much the U.S. MSM is discrediting Edward Snowden, I think there is more to NSA than simply public surveillance. Of course I lack the proof ( and even if I would have it, would it really be believed for what it is ? ).

Thruthseek3r

reply to post by thruthseek3r


Sorry, but there aren't any crashed alien aircraft (nor non-crashed alien aircraft) on this planet.

Originally posted by Nevertheless
reply to post by thruthseek3r

 

Sorry, but there aren't any crashed alien aircraft (nor non-crashed alien aircraft) on this planet.

Ah, NSA has arrived to clear that up for us.

Thanks man, much appreciated.


Also: You cannot spell NASA without NSA.
NASA was founded with the help of Nazis via Project Paperclip
Nazis created the flying saucers, met the aliens in the middle-earth, discovered time travel through the usage of a large bell, and were the first people on the moon (twice, if you count NaSA)

reply to post by gortex

Not being snarky,I'm just genuinely curious,why would William Cooper be considered as some-one who would be non-credible?
All I know of him is being the writer of "Behold a Pale Horse" of which I read some parts last year.

reply to post by Raxoxane


His overall message is a good one. But it's also a given. He made quite a lot of claims, and as his audience grew so did his ego.

One failed claim was that JFK was assassinated by the driver. When everyone knows it was the Smoking Man in the sewer grate.

Either way, his death is pretty damn fishy in my books. (Coopers & JFKs)

He liked to use the word "is" and "isn't" rather than "maybe" --- we're all to blame for that, some more than others; people like him just had a larger audience, therefore more scrutiny.

Originally posted by Nevertheless
reply to post by thruthseek3r

 

Sorry, but there aren't any crashed alien aircraft (nor non-crashed alien aircraft) on this planet.

statements like that are usually posted with some sort of proof....
just sayin
(tv doesn't count )

Originally posted by Nevertheless
reply to post by thruthseek3r

 

Sorry, but there aren't any crashed alien aircraft (nor non-crashed alien aircraft) on this planet.

There are crashed alien aircraft (and non-crashed alien aircraft) on this planet.

In this situation, since neither of us offer any evidence or proof, my words are equally as valid.

reply to post by thruthseek3r


Ok, so aliens are real, and the government has been secretly working with them for decades, so they leave information like that accessible to PRIVATE CONTRACTORS?

I don't effing think so friend.

Besides, if they did, don't you think the fact that aliens exist, and are here clandestinely working with the government, would have been the story to leak? NSA capturing your phone sex sessions is a little less sensational than confirmation of intelligent alien life.

Then again, I'm finding myself hard pressed to even admit there's intelligent like on this planet, alien or not.

William Cooper? Don't get me wrong, I love how he exposed Alex Jone's nonsense, but only to help build his viewer base of people listening to his nonsense.

here's another scenario.

You are Obama, the worst president in history. Your country is imploding, your government is falling apart, you are fighting so many wars the average person can't even list them all, the global financial system is in ruins, and the majority of Americans are demanding you be impeached or otherwise removed from office.

Wouldn't that be a great distraction? Yeah, yeah, i'm a secret commie social muslim, but hey, look over there, aliens!

reply to post by khimbar

In this situation, since neither of us offer any evidence or proof, my words are equally as valid.

not really. To claim there are crashed alien craft on this planet is to claim the extraordinary, requiring proof. To claim there is none fits in line with the reality we live in.

The burden of proof lays solely on those making the claims of the extraordinary. That said, neither of you have "proof" so both of your claims are pretty much useless, but it's impossible to prove a negative, if you believe they are here, it's up to you to provide proof they are, not up to us to provide proof they aren't.

The fact that we are still debating it is the proof they aren't here.

Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by khimbar

 

In this situation, since neither of us offer any evidence or proof, my words are equally as valid.

not really. To claim there are crashed alien craft on this planet is to claim the extraordinary, requiring proof. To claim there is none fits in line with the reality we live in.

The burden of proof lays solely on those making the claims of the extraordinary. That said, neither of you have "proof" so both of your claims are pretty much useless, but it's impossible to prove a negative, if you believe they are here, it's up to you to provide proof they are, not up to us to provide proof they aren't.

The fact that we are still debating it is the proof they aren't here.

edit on 19-6-2013 by phishyblankwaters because: (no reason given)

I don't believe they are here. I'm merely pointing out that a blanket statement without proof is meaningless.

And no it isn't.

REGARDING: William Cooper & Aliens


William Cooper changed his stance on an alien presence. Later in his life he concluded it was all a huge plot and deception to help usher in the One World Totalitarian Government.



William Cooper was a former U.S. Naval Intellligence Officer. It is his first-hand, eye witness testimony that he saw a gigantic submerged craft (USO/UFO) come out of the water and then fly away. This happened while he was on-duty in the 1980's, out at sea aboard a U.S. Naval ship. This started his alien fascination.

• He hosted his own radio broadcast show called "Hour of the Time."

• He created his own newspaper and news service called "VERITAS."

• He created the world's largest civilian intelligence agency called "Citizen's Agency for Joint Intelligence" (CAJI)


Because of his Naval Intelligence work and the above mentioned projects, William Cooper had many official contacts still within the U.S. government. It is through some of these contacts that his understandings of aliens and UFOs began to fully blossom.

However, he later concluded that some of his official government contacts were nothing more than disinfo agents trying to sabotage his efforts in the Truth Movement. This is when his views on aliens changed.

Towards the end of his life, Cooper proclaimed the "False-Flag Alien Invasion Theory." He said UFO/USO were man-made black-ops technology, and that the Shadow Government were trying to use the alien threat to take over the world.


• William Cooper; (Former U.S. Naval Intelligence Briefing Team)
"There has been a plan in existence since about 1917, and probably before that, to create an artificial, extraterrestrial threat to this earth in order to create a one world, totalitarian, socialist government."

reply to post by thruthseek3r

I don't know Steven Greer personally but I know not to trust him.
The MSM are doing what is expected of them by not supporting the guy who gave away America's dirty little secret , would you expect any different .

As for Cooper Google is your friend.

reply to post by thruthseek3r


I did an informative exposé on William Cooper in this thread:

Founding Fathers of the Conspiracy and Truth Movement

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Just like every human, he had his flaws. Just like every human, he made mistakes. The few times he realized he made a mistake, he quickly went on record to correct himself and apologize.

He was, and still is, the most influential man of the modern Truth Movement. Alex Jones built his own career by using Cooper's work, which he denies, and is why Jones gets little respect from me in this regard.

Originally posted by Danbones

Originally posted by Nevertheless
reply to post by thruthseek3r

 

Sorry, but there aren't any crashed alien aircraft (nor non-crashed alien aircraft) on this planet.

statements like that are usually posted with some sort of proof....
just sayin

(tv doesn't count )

It doesn't work in that direction.
Please prove that there isn't a pink elephant ghost living under your left thumbnail.

Originally posted by khimbar

Originally posted by Nevertheless
reply to post by thruthseek3r

 

Sorry, but there aren't any crashed alien aircraft (nor non-crashed alien aircraft) on this planet.

There are crashed alien aircraft (and non-crashed alien aircraft) on this planet.

In this situation, since neither of us offer any evidence or proof, my words are equally as valid.

Incorrect. Random statements that claim there to be something specific are nonsense. Telling that it is nonsense is not nonsense.
Please prove me that there isn't a pink homosexual elephant-ghost living under your left thumbnail.

reply to post by Raxoxane

I'm just genuinely curious,why would William Cooper be considered as some-one who would be non-credible?

I was at one time a believer of Bill Cooper but my opinion has changed over time , I don't think he was a bad person but he was a complex character with many issues and I now feel those issues make him a good story teller but ultimately unreliable and not credible .

reply to post by thruthseek3r

I think there is more to NSA than simply public surveillance.

Well if the CIA are a third of their size on all fronts, (My assumptions based on either what I read on here at one time or another or worse seen in a movie)

I would suspect the NSA to be a bit more than surveillance of public.

reply to post by ThinkingCap

met the aliens in the middle-earth,

was Gandalf the Grey there or had been turned white by that time?

discovered time travel through the usage of a large bell

Is this the Nazi Bell your talking about? maybe catch up on your research on that if it is.

Speculation with evidence one has take a few leaps of faith to accept as being real.

Very interesting none the less