Signs to look for, ancient high tec

read some william flinders petrie . he knew that sonic drills were used in egypt .

they do not talk about the bore holes or machine marks in the pyramid of giza .

but what if thet had a way to soften the stone ? or move it with sound .

edward leaskin knew the secret and hid it in his coral castle

I recently came across this excellent interview with Chris Dunn on Coast to Coast AM:



I know you all know him (probably from AA & other shows) but I think this man is spot-on with his approach, while also being sufficiently 'careful' with regards to findings of traditional Egyptologists. In a nutshell he says:

- the 'evidence' is out there, at Giza (and all around the world)
- the artifacts he presents have been created via advanced engineering & machine tools
- assuming an earlier civilization in Egypt can be a 'political issue' in some ways
- disassociating such artifacts from ancient egyptian culture is problematic
- Egyptologists need to prove what they claim: that these artifacts can be produced using copper chisels and hammers, but they couldn't do that up to now regarding the most advanced artifacts we see

According to him, the only way to learn something about these artifacts and the technological level of the society that produced them is to closely investigate every detail and the precision with which they have been engineered. The next step would be to think about the minimum requirements to achieve such precision. Only then can we begin thinking about what kind of tools they used and make assumptions about the logistics and economical aspects that enabled them to do what they did ...

P.S.: I know all this is not really 'new', but I think this is a good alternative way to go about and ask questions that (apparently) could not be answered well enough by traditional Egyptology

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
4 things

1 - Brute force
2 - Persistence
3 - Lots of time
4 - Skill

Humans are amazing , something being very difficult has never stopped us.

If Humans are THAT amazing, why can't we build these things, bigger, more complex, and faster now...and at LEAST 4500 years later?

Surely, if we attribute this to ancient humanity as we understand them (taught about them)..and are also taught that technolgical acievement is a linear process (bent pyramid - step pyramid - great pyramid..and ignoring the hundreds of other pyramids around the planet)..we should have the technology available to build a replica of the great pyramid, but 20 X the original size, and built in about a single year using only a handful of workers and machinery.

But we can't.

We can't even build a replica a 1/4 size of the orginal. Either Ancient humans were in possession of technologies and building techniques far superior to ours and the theory of linear progression of technology is fundamentally incorrect...or there has to be another explaination, because as it stands right now, humanity was more advanced 4000 - 5000 years ago, at least in construction methods (if we stick to modern dating theories) than we are today.

Which itself, proves that at least 50% of the professional theories regarding Ancient Egypt (linear technological progression) is completely wrong.

reply to post by MysterX

If Humans are THAT amazing, why can't we build these things, bigger, more complex, and faster now...and at LEAST 4500 years later?

Because we are not prepared to spend 40 years at the cost of many many lives to build something like the pyramids. The cost alone would be impossible. Back then almost no one was getting wages for the work.

Don't believe everything you hear on history channel documentaries about us not being capable of such feat's. They just say that to make things sound more interesting.

reply to post by uwascallywabbit


Yes I agree if there really is archeology on the moon it probably belongs to us from some more enlightened era. It is also possible that these giants spoken of in many ancient text might just be another type of humanoid natural to this planed that was later wiped out. Remember those hobbit 3ft humans found in java but are now wiped out, there is no reason that these giants could not be natural earth born

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
reply to post by MysterX

 

Don't believe everything you hear on history channel documentaries about us not being capable of such feat's. They just say that to make things sound more interesting.

But don't you think we should at least consider alternative explanations and ask some more questions before irrevocably subscribing to existing hypotheses?

As for myself: I'm not willing to accept some of these (traditional) hypotheses without further proof from those who claim they know how things came about. And until such proof is provided, I would never dare to exclude other perspectives from the equation ...

reply to post by jeep3r

But don't you think we should at least consider alternative explanations and ask some more questions before irrevocably subscribing to existing hypotheses?

No. This is ever the slightest hint of anything other than good old human hard work conducted over a very long period of time. There's no evidence of ANY high tech or alternative tech. There is no evidence of anything that doesn't fit the period these structures were made in. No other worldly tools , no unknown materials , nothing.

Just wishing there was another reason is not enough reason to jump to crazy made up ideas.

Mine would still have to be the drill holes at Puma Punku.

Some believe this place is less than 2,000 years old, some believe it is 14,000 years old. Come on you can fool that history books but not ATS. www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by MysterX
If Humans are THAT amazing, why can't we build these things, bigger, more complex, and faster now...and at LEAST 4500 years later?

Well, according to your silly reasoning as Concorde was built 44 years ago, and stopped flying 10 years ago it must have been built by aliens as we cannot do what it could today, nor are there any plans to do what it was capable of doing.....

We can't even build a replica a 1/4 size of the orginal.

Says who exactly?

Either Ancient humans were in possession of technologies and building techniques far superior to ours

In the case of Concorde that means 10 years ago....

or there has to be another explaination, because as it stands right now, humanity was more advanced 4000 - 5000 years ago, at least in construction methods (if we stick to modern dating theories) than we are today.

So you think we were more advanced 10 years ago as well...

Which proves your silly theory completely wrong...

Originally posted by bastion


Please could you provide a link to engineers claiming they couldn't achieve the same accuracy.

Not saying they're wrong, but I'm a Mathematician and see no reason why they couldn't be built with the maths they had at the time, in fact most of their maths was far more advanced than that required to plan out these shapes. It'd take me an hour at most to plot one using their maths with current tech, but a few days/weeks doing it all longhand. A long as the 'bricks' are the same size and 'instep' of one layer ontop of the other remains constant, you have a pyramid.

My suspicion is they may have fallen foul to the false idea pyramids were built using Phi and Pi as references.

That's not to say that these aren't absolutely amazing examples buildings that should inspire awe though.

edit on 26-6-2013 by bastion because: (no reason given)

If you watch the video I posted you can listen to several engineers talking about the difficulty of building such a structure.

The cross section of the great pyramid is a 3 4 5 triangle and therefore Phi is incorporated in the design ie 5/3 = Phi

Originally posted by LUXUS
therefore Phi is incorporated in the design ie 5/3 = Phi

Wrong actually, Phi = 1.618033988749895
5/3 = 1.666666666666667

Originally posted by PhoenixOD
reply to post by jeep3r

 

No. This is ever the slightest hint of anything other than good old human hard work conducted over a very long period of time. There's no evidence of ANY high tech or alternative tech. There is no evidence of anything that doesn't fit the period these structures were made in. No other worldly tools , no unknown materials, nothing.

Just wishing there was another reason is not enough reason to jump to crazy made up ideas.

Well, you seem to be convinced!

In that case I hope nothing new will ever come to light so that you can stick to your conclusions. I have to say, though: I'm glad that people from other disciplines think it's worth taking a closer look and contribute with their expertise ...

P.S.: Also, I'm not sure whether Egyptologists are the best choice for interpreting the purpose of architectural designs & the results of using tools on stonework

Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by LUXUS
therefore Phi is incorporated in the design ie 5/3 = Phi

Wrong actually, Phi = 1.618033988749895
5/3 = 1.666666666666667

Wrong actually Phi = 1.6180339887 4989484820 4586834365 6381177203 0917980576 2862135448 6227052604 6281890244 9707207204 1893911374 8475408807 5386891752 1266338622 2353693179 3180060766 7263544333 8908659593 9582905638 3226613199 2829026788 0675208766 8925017116 9620703222 1043216269 5486262963 1361443814 9758701220 3408058879 5445474924 6185695364 8644492410 4432077134 4947049565 8467885098 7433944221 2544877066 4780915884 6074998871 2400765217 0575179788 3416625624 9407589069 7040002812 1042762177 1117778053 1531714101 1704666599 1466979873 1761356006 7087480710 1317952368 9427521948 4353056783 0022878569 9782977834 7845878228>

hope you get my point lol