Thinkin bout ESOTERIC knowledge...playin the GUITAR...Sacred Geometry

So I was playing the Guitar thinking about how everything is connected to no only itself but everything around it if it can be thought of...THINKING HOW THE ESOTERICS can be connected to anything...then I was thinking how the EXOTERICS could be APPLIED TO PLAYIN THE GUITAR...I THOUGHT...SACRED Geometry.

So all you math geeks out there. I need patterns in sacred geometry to try and play a holy song on the guitar never heard before. I need patterns of sacred geometry if you think it could apply post it even if you dont and just want to see if my infinite genius can do anything with it

reply to post by lucifer6


Before doing that tune your guitar to the solfeggio frequencies.

LOL.....
Contradictions man...
Your infinite genius but you cant come up with a pattern or formula on your own.
I really do not mean to be rude but only to push you.

You can come up with your own formulas you just need to put some thought into it.
The internet is filled with allot of information, especially golden ratio.
Dont let others do the work for you.
If you come up with a formula but get stuck, I would be more then happy to help.
Your not the first person to come up with this idea. Their are several well know musicians and bands that use sacred geometry principals. I will not list any of those because I want you to find them on your own.
It can be used in music in multiple different ways.
For starters think of it as the ratio 1 and 1.618

reply to post by LightAssassin


I have been practicing with dadgad but Ill switch and see whats up.

Originally posted by LightAssassin
reply to post by lucifer6

 

Before doing that tune your guitar to the solfeggio frequencies.

I wonder if a chromatic harmonica could be tuned in those frequencies?

reply to post by hypervigilant


No, BUT!!

If you play in a drop D note..

you can play old Motley Crue songs...

I love old Stuff like that....

Originally posted by LightAssassin
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Before doing that tune your guitar to the solfeggio frequencies.

Yeah the first one I tried put me back in standard tuning.

reply to post by lucifer6


Do you do music theory at all? You know the circle of fifths? Well there's a few other cycles. Try major chords a minor third apart, going all the way up (4 in cycle) or major chords a major third apart (3 in cycle) bridge these with melodic transitions, modulating through appropriate keys (jazz style, like with circle of fifths) There is some really interesting spaces there few musicians have tapped, and if you looked long enough I'm sure there's good song material.

PEace!

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Well, that sounds cool. I am interested to see what the guitar geeks have to say about this. Surely, it's been done.. like.... A LOT?

I'm anxious to hear what it will sound like.

Originally posted by lucifer6

Originally posted by LightAssassin
reply to post by lucifer6

 

Before doing that tune your guitar to the solfeggio frequencies.

Yeah the first one I tried put me back in standard tuning.

Solfeggio frequency is standard tuning but slightly higher. Its not about the notes but about the frequency. Think of it as a finer tuning. If you set your digital guitar tuner to 444hz you should be able to produce the solfeggio 528hz. But this is far from the sacred geometry PATTERNS.

Thats just the tuning but this video has the scale.


Ok ok fine I will tell you ONE band that uses SG patterns in their music and art just to get you started.



In order to understand it in more depth you should draw out the flower of life. Their are video's on youtube that show you how. You dont have to be able to draw good all you need is a compass tool, or really any thing circular.
Once you have it drawn out or even printed out, color the inside. Try to make patterns and mirror reflections. Doing this alone helped me understand it far better.


You can make it more complex witch I recommended because it takes far more concentration to mirror colors.


This will expose all the shapes with in the flower. After I started doing this I started seeing repetitive geometric patterns every where, mirroring at every scale.

reply to post by lucifer6


I'd recommend a book called the "Guitar Grimoire"...it contains modes and scales from across the globe....fascinating stuff and a wealth of variations.

I'm more prone to playing it "by ear" and alternative tunings, but it never hurts to familiarize with whats in the box before thinking outside of it.

TOOL, they've already been there done that in applying sacred geometry to music lol.

Originally posted by GENERAL EYES
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I'd recommend a book called the "Guitar Grimoire"...it contains modes and scales from across the globe....fascinating stuff and a wealth of variations.

I'm more prone to playing it "by ear" and alternative tunings, but it never hurts to familiarize with whats in the box before thinking outside of it.

Did not know it but the music I play in dadgad, tuned in frequencys after about 45 minutes of tuning on it by ear until the guitar got a certain vibration on each open note you barely joistel the guitar and boom the perfect frequency tune is gone. I mean I really got my guitar vibrating now.

What I want to do is take my "magic ears" sound amplifier and stick it to the guitar where it will bests pick up the frequency and hook that up to a high frequency speaker, and set a perfectly level then take 4 pieces of wood arranged in a box and set a piece of silk on top of that with sand in the silk box so I can see any geometric patterns created by the sound. I may need a different setup but it should work on a small scale... this is what I mean

www.youtube.com...

I may add that one should read up and listen to the thoughts and rock-fusion playing and interviews of John McLaughin and Mahivishnu Orchestra.
(At one point that band had Stanley Clarke-bass, Jan Hammer and Chick Corea-keyboards, Jean luc Ponty on violin, and Billy Cobham on drums.)

McLaughin's approach was middle-eastern for guitar with modes, tunings and influences based on geometry. Its worth a read, and a listen to some of his fusion-rock and jazz, also his work with Santana. Also Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin.
Frank Zappa also addressed geometry.

Im not sure they can still be accessed, but some back issues of Guitar Player magazine from the 70's would also be helpful. I had them all once upon a time...Although not topic-specific, some useful insights can be gained.

I use open-tunings once in a while and have written in those, with the guitar chords of course, being played differently that their original positionings. Shapes mostly, with different note-voicings.

You're only looking at one aspect of sacred geometry - frequencies.
How could you apply it to rhythms?
Furthermore are there inherent melodies associated with sacred geometry?
I'm a total nitwit at mathematics so I really don't know but have wondered these things.
- thumbs up for the Mahavishnu and Tool plugs.
Other musicians that may have tried these things might include Steve Hillage, Utopia, Tangerine Dream, Animals as leaders.

If you're talking about literally applying patterns to the fretboard, you're going to be somewhat limited... you essentially have a 6 x 24 grid to plot points. You might be better off using the something like the Fibonacci sequence, and the golden ratio as a guide.

Tool's Lateralus is a great example of this. If there's others, I'd love to hear about them...

en.wikipedia.org...

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I am more into creating geometric shapes with the sound. It would be better if I had an acoustic electric. But my improvised setup right now to get the electric sound is I have my magic ears sound amplifier mic hooked up to a speaker. Im trying to find out the surface I want to put the salt on. The frequencies from the guitar out the speaker amplified will create patterns on the metal with salt. Or sacred geometric shapes. From there I will be adding melody and find all the different frequencies within the individual notes creating literally a sacred geometric song that cannot only be heard but seen.

Wild off note. I use the fib. sequence when betting against my weak blackjack dealers for cover. Im a hole carder. 15% of all Blackjack dealers are week and reveal their hole card quite often. The highest edge the casino has in blackjack is like 5.26 percent maybe up to seven with really strict rules. Hole carding can give the PLAYER upto a 52%edge over the casino. Played right against even a somewhat weak dealer and you can never lose.

Enough of the off topic. lmao

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I am more into creating geometric shapes with the sound. It would be better if I had an acoustic electric. But my improvised setup right now to get the electric sound is I have my magic ears sound amplifier mic hooked up to a speaker. Im trying to find out the surface I want to put the salt on. The frequencies from the guitar out the speaker amplified will create patterns on the metal with salt. Or sacred geometric shapes. From there I will be adding melody and find all the different frequencies within the individual notes creating literally a sacred geometric song that cannot only be heard but seen.

Wild off note. I use the fib. sequence when betting against my weak blackjack dealers for cover. Im a hole carder. 15% of all Blackjack dealers are week and reveal their hole card quite often. The highest edge the casino has in blackjack is like 5.26 percent maybe up to seven with really strict rules. Hole carding can give the PLAYER upto a 52%edge over the casino. Played right against even a somewhat weak dealer and you can never lose.

Enough of the off topic. lmao

I'm a musician and I have no idea what any of this is or even means...

soundcloud.com/bdayton74, if you do know what this is maybe you can tell me if it's in my music?

music is just phrases, one note relative to another, what is sacred about it besides the act of creating it personally?
your interpretation of music is based on what you've heard before and what you know it should sound like relative to other pieces. the mathematics is simply a result, a by-product, right?

Originally posted by yourmaker
I'm a musician and I have no idea what any of this is or even means...

soundcloud.com/bdayton74, if you do know what this is maybe you can tell me if it's in my music?

music is just phrases, one note relative to another, what is sacred about it besides the act of creating it personally?
your interpretation of music is based on what you've heard before and what you know it should sound like relative to other pieces. the mathematics is simply a result, a by-product, right?

The are certain vibrations or frequencies in nature. A guitar can be tuned to the frequencies. These frequencies can be played in tones. You can see these frequencies visually. Get a speaker and set a sheet of thin metal over it. Put some salt on it and play these "solfeggio frequencies" are a good example... when the frequencies enteract with the metal and salt sacred geometric shapes appear. Giving tangible visible proof that individual sounds frequencies and scales have physical shape and some would venture to say invisible mass.

These frequencies you hear all the time. That tone in horror movies that make the hairs on your neck stand. That tone in tear jerkers that make you physically sad. Hollywood uses these frequencies to manipulate your inner being so you are more connected to what you are seeing.

There are also tones that do the opposite bum bum bum

That is the best that I can explain anybody else like to add to it feel free please.