DHS Admits Boston Training Drill Involving Backpack Explosives Planned Months Before Marathon

Originally posted by litterbaux

Originally posted by adjensen
they weren't planting bombs all over the city.

You can try and convince people on ATS of your version of events but everything is documented these days on the internet. This was widely reported the days after the bombing, they even had maps they were plastering all over the news. Deny ignorance.

five additional, undetonated explosive devices around the Boston area, the Wall Street Journal reported,

Source

Let's put that quote into context, shall we?

Investigators found what could be five additional, undetonated explosive devices around the Boston area, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing two unnamed people briefed on the investigation. The evidence had yet to be fully analyzed, the Journal said.

I underlined the weasel words for you there to be helpful

reply to post by adjensen

Tell me, Randy, what is such a reach about "bombs in backpacks"? What would be a more likely place for a secretive bomber to carry a bomb?

Fed ex, UPS, etc, etc boxes, Shopping bags, lunch pales., water jugs and also running over a crap load of
folks with a diesel truck equiped with a car bomb. Just for starters my good man. And I even in zero experience
can be a lot more creative than even that. Please don't ask. It's shameful.

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by adjensen

 

Tell me, Randy, what is such a reach about "bombs in backpacks"? What would be a more likely place for a secretive bomber to carry a bomb?

Fed ex, UPS, etc, etc boxes

A box big enough to hold a pressure cooker sitting by itself would attract more attention than a backpack at an athletic event would.

Shopping bags

As would this.

lunch pales., water jugs

Neither is large enough to hold a pressure cooker bomb.

and also running over a crap load of folks with a diesel truck equiped with a car bomb.

Well, if you're a legitimate bomber, sure, but the point in question is a drill. I hardly expect law enforcement to run people down with a bomb laden vehicle in order to conduct training.

No, a backpack is the one of the most obvious non-suspicious containers to cart around a bomb in, so it doesn't seem so far fetched that they would be referenced in a drill, as well as being used by the actual Boston Marathon bombers.

reply to post by adjensen


If you think it has to be a pressure cooker bomb that I my self have tried to fit into a back pack with zero success you are sadly mistaken Jen.

Well, if you're a legitimate bomber, sure, but the point in question is a drill. I hardly expect law enforcement to run people down with a bomb laden vehicle in order to conduct training.

In the past I also would have put this past them. Old school cops no way. Today I can't.

I have been cooking with pressure cookers and pressure canners for years
i also go to work every day and mountain bike with a knapsack...

what Randy said

Originally posted by adjensen
...Let's put that quote into context, shall we?

Investigators found what could be five additional, undetonated explosive devices around the Boston area, the Wall Street Journal reported, citing two unnamed people briefed on the investigation. The evidence had yet to be fully analyzed, the Journal said.

I underlined the weasel words for you there to be helpful

I agree that these are "weasel words"...but, guess what -- aside from graphic photos of gore, bedlam and horror...that's all there's been...including the kind of language the FBI Criminal Complaint used to "satisfy" everyone that they had "video evidence" of one of the bombers setting their "knapsack" down.
So to use that as an argument against "the other side of the coin" might be considered hypocritical.

I read the debate in your recently-changed-signature...and thought you did pretty well. Perhaps not as well as you think...but, honestly, I don't think the arguments or evidence (from your opposition) were substantial-enough to pose a genuine challenge.
Nevertheless - one of your statements, regarding one of the victims identifying one of the bombers...I believe to be entirely bogus (no fault of yours...) and, if you will consider the facts that are readily available, I hope you'll see that we were fed a line...and, even when it was obviously apparent that it no longer fit -- No-One came out and said - "hey - we were wrong..."
To the point -

The victim giving testimony was Jeff Bauman (perhaps the most famously photographed pictures of the aftermath).
He said he saw the bomber...when he set the bomb (pack) on the ground.
Said they had eye-to-eye contact.
Said the bomber was wearing a white cap and sweatshirt.

Of the two Tsarnaev brothers, the only one that moved east past the Forum Restaurant...was Tamerlan.
Tamerlan was wearing a black (or - darkly colored) cap...
Tamerlan was wearing a black (or - darkly colored) jacket... (beneath was a white T-Shirt - subject to other interpretation/identification)
In every photo (or video) of Tamerlan at the Marathon...he was wearing dark sunglasses.

It's certainly possible to lock eyes with someone wearing darkly-tinted sunglasses...but, I put a question-mark beside the claim ----- IF it was Tamerlan.
The odds of Tamerlan changing clothes (or removing & disposing of his jacket, and changing caps) in the 4 minutes between when he left his brother's side (presumably in front of the western end of the Atlantic Fish Co.) are slim at best.

Anyway - If Tamerlan is guilty...and did plant the bomb ------ HE WAS NOT ID'd by the victim (Jeff Bauman).
Bauman either mistook "the bag" the bomb was in (which is surely a reasonable possibility)...or...(again - IF Tamerlan brought the bomb in his backpack), he passed it to a guy wearing a sweatshirt and white cap.

There are a couple other alternate conclusions from this information - but - combined with information the FBI gave to explain "how they settled on the brothers as THE suspects" - none of them work well for the conclusion we've been asked to accept.

WOW. This is exactly what happened on 9/11. And people still hold strongly to the idea that these events weren't staged? Maybe they weren't staged by the government, but they were staged by people or groups who had inside knowledge of secret military operations. Part of the reason for the poor response time on 9/11 was the fact that there were exercises being conducted that simulated hijacked airliners. Coincidence? I highly doubt it.

And now they are telling us that there just happened to be a simulation taking place that again utilized the same methods as the "terrorists?" Something is going on here obviously. Either that, or the DHS has the absolute worst timing in the world. I believe in coincidence, but not from groups like that, who consistently overstep their bounds of power, and who consistently deny US citizens their Constitutional rights.

I will tell you why I think they said this. Because we all knew that there were operatives with bulky backpacks on the scene. When this first occurred I remember posting about these guys, and stating my opinion that they were either military, intelligence, or private security agents. Anyone who has been in the military usually has an easy time recognizing the type of person, and these guys were definitely professionals of a military nature. So maybe this is how they are attempting to sell the presence of these people to the American public. But I will admit that there are better explanations. But, each one of these possible explanations would open them up to a host of new questions, things that still don't make sense.

For instance, they could have said these backpacks were full of medical supplies or something. But then people would be wondering if they knew something was going to happen that would require THAT many medical supplies. That's just one example. They could have figured that they forced the same explanation down our throats on 9/11, and it worked, so they would do it again. It is not out of the realm of possibility. But whatever you believe happened, how can anyone say that this is just coincidence? The two biggest terrorist attacks on the US in how long?, and the government was running drills of the EXACT same type of attacks on the SAME day? THAT is NOT coincidence my friends. That is a conspiracy.

reply to post by JiggyPotamus

as mentioned often
don't forget 77 in london too:
Drill
and the British hoof in mouth epidemic that occured at all the drill points

sometimes there is no such thing as coincidence

reply to post by FlyersFan


See I believe the opposite. I see a sel fulffilling prophecy. If I had to guess i'd say they planned it and the brothers caught wind of the drill and based their attack on it (knowing they would get a lot of police and government people aswell as civilians in their sights). That leads me to believe the ffbi was still in touchh with the brothers, thought they were in control of any attempt the brothers might make, and speaking (as whoever they claimed to be) to the brothers, let info of the drill out to the brothers.
It's so coincidental I have to believe the attack was based on the drill. That actually makes more sense.

reply to post by boncho


... you missed my point. They wouldn't cut ties with the brothers of course that's unlikely. They would take it all the way. I am suggesting the brothers backed off and planed their own thing independent of the radicals(fbi) that would appear to be in touch with them. You dismissed what I said without understanding it. Not zero possibility, high posibility. Consider that the fbi was prepping to set them up with a fake bomb when unbeknownst to them the brothers were making their own.
You believe the fbi looked into them and then said.. eh nothing? In a day and age where they are radicalizing and giving fake bombs to everyone they can? Not a chance.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


naw, if they knew that it would have been more effective to record the conversations and nail them in court like that fella that was in the news did a while back...
much more damaging to the US

reply to post by Danbones

Not true, because it went awry when these guys actually launched an attack. If you were in charge with setting someone up and radicalizing them and then intended to give them a fake bomb so you could bust them and then they made their own and killed people and it was your fault for radicalizing them but not stopping them from attacking.. all that collected evidence and ties would be disappeared fast. That's why the fbi inexplicably chexked theese guys out and didn't follow up.. that likely isn't really what happened, but it has to be now.

The FBI tried to get Haskel to change his story when he wanted to testify that he had seen the US govenment put the underwearbomber on the plane sans passport, and through the same israeli security company that had let the 911 hijackers through...which was the excuse for the TSA to instal the backscatter x-ray machines which had actually been ordered a year before by the ex head of DHS who was the ceo of the backscattermachine company at the time of the bombing....

not much chance of ever mistaking the FBI's motives after that

eta
oh yeah, there was a dude on the plane filming the UWB the whole flight and the the kid's father even phoned the US government to warn them too

as I said chance of this being on the up and up after all that:
nil

Originally posted by adjensen

Originally posted by wasaka

This explains a lot. They had to come out and say this after all the photos of the questionable scenarios went viral. This explains why the director of FEMA was on site and giving orders. This explains why windows that were not broken out from the bomb show up broken later. There was a drill there. It just accidentally happened when real bombs went off…I guess….So there WAS fake blood and actors on the scene. That is what they do at these drills.

No, you didn't read the sourced article very well:

But two months before the training exercise was to take place, the city was hit with a real terrorist attack executed in a frighteningly similar fashion. The chaos of the Boston Marathon bombings disrupted plans for the exercise, initially scheduled for this weekend, forcing police to postpone. ( Source)

The drill was scheduled to happen in June 2013, it wasn't going on when the bombing happened.

This is ludicrous! How can you not see that the very thing they were drilling on happened shows that something is wrong with the Boston bombing? Do you not have the ability to have reality slap you in the face over and over. Hmmmm, let's see.....

9/11 drill taking place on the same day about airlines being hijacked.

7/7 drill taking place about subway bombing in London

Sandy Hook drill taking place of a school shooting a few miles from the school.

They love to do drills and practice and then VOILA a "real" / false flag takes place! I suppose since they didn't do the drill as you say on the same day.... OH BUT WAIT.... They did put out a notice of doing a bomb drill right at the library across the street from the finish line!

I cannot believe the hoops some will jump through to believe the government lies. Lies which shut down a city. Ended commerce, killed two who were accused who had contact with the FBI previously which the FBI lied about, and their friend is now dead IN police custody with what six bullets to his head and he was UNARMED!

I know it is hard for some to believe we have people bent on destroying our freedom, ending our system which has suited America well for a couple hundred years, but face the facts. The major media has been lying, sets up fake interviews, fake news stories, and puts out the government narrative because what people hear first is usually what they believe.

I'm wasting my time, but damn, are you serious?

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by boncho

 

... you missed my point. They wouldn't cut ties with the brothers of course that's unlikely. They would take it all the way. I am suggesting the brothers backed off and planed their own thing independent of the radicals(fbi) that would appear to be in touch with them. You dismissed what I said without understanding it. Not zero possibility, high posibility. Consider that the fbi was prepping to set them up with a fake bomb when unbeknownst to them the brothers were making their own.
You believe the fbi looked into them and then said.. eh nothing? In a day and age where they are radicalizing and giving fake bombs to everyone they can? Not a chance.

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So why wouldn't the FBI come in at the end and stop them while they were in the act? Be the hero, gain their needed funding, etc.?

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by adjensen

 

If you think it has to be a pressure cooker bomb that I my self have tried to fit into a back pack with zero success you are sadly mistaken Jen.

Well, Randy, I think that if you take that brand of pressure cooker, remove the handle and try and put it in that brand of backpack and fail, you ought to present that evidence to the attorney representing Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, whom I believe is Judy Clarke, because you would have airtight proof that the government's case is bollocks.

However, I can guarantee that the model of pressure cooker, sans handle, would fit comfortably within the confines of said model of backpack, because regardless of whether the Tsarnaevs did it, or they are stoolies for a government conspiracy, something as obvious and simplistic as that would not have slipped through the cracks until someone tried to duplicate the feat.

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

I'm wasting my time, but damn, are you serious?

Of course I'm serious. Read the source article from the Boston Globe, it specifically says that the drill was scheduled for June 2013, not 15 April, 2013.

I love how you guys cherry pick the MSM -- 99% of the time, they're shills for the government, absolutely untrustworthy, but any time they report something that jives with your suspicions, you're on it like Oprah on a baked ham.

reply to post by adjensen


And then we have you, who will tow a MSM line 100%, partly because belief in the devil and its enforcers (Islam) need to be blamed here ?

Not only do we not hold accountable anything because of an official line, we have to fight the incredulous masses who find it actually painful to discover they have been lied to, and in different ways than they believe.

This has gotten so ridiculous, that the only thing I really worry about is the people who cannot properly discern that so much more is going on than they are forcing themselves to believe..

Your "devil" is a lot smarter than you think, and he has a whole lot of you believing the opposite of what you think.

reply to post by adjensen


I thought the brand of cooker would be undetectable. Unlike a Claymore.
.I mean the fake explosion was so massive and all.
You know where I stand Jen.
A stance I couldn't possibly have if just one of those limbs could be seen in
the initial explosion flying over the runners head. Bollucks.
And my ass.

Originally posted by ParasuvO
reply to post by adjensen

 

And then we have you, who will tow a MSM line 100%, partly because belief in the devil and its enforcers (Islam) need to be blamed here ?

Not only do we not hold accountable anything because of an official line, we have to fight the incredulous masses who find it actually painful to discover they have been lied to, and in different ways than they believe.

This has gotten so ridiculous, that the only thing I really worry about is the people who cannot properly discern that so much more is going on than they are forcing themselves to believe..

Your "devil" is a lot smarter than you think, and he has a whole lot of you believing the opposite of what you think.

I've already pointed out in this thread (and so have others) that a number of posters are outright lying.

The MSM sometimes lies because they stand to make money if they do, they are protecting themselves or their corporation from backlash, etc.

At least I know why they are lying, and I take that into account on certain stories they release as it's a possible case of yellow journalism when things don't pass the "I'm not an idiot" filters.

What is the reason for posters in this thread, what is their excuse for lying though?

Conspiracy points? Where do I cash those in...