The Zimmerman Trial

Originally posted by firemonkey
And any competent jury would dismiss his statement saying Trayvon started the fight.

No, any competent jury would weigh all of the testimony and evidence without bias. That includes the defendant's accounting of the events of that night.

Originally posted by firemonkey

Originally posted by RickKilgannon

Originally posted by firemonkey
There are no eye witnesses of the start of the fight.

We have Zimmerman saying Trayvon started it...but he never testified...did he?

The defendant in a trial does not have to testify. He gave statements countless times on video.

And any competent jury would dismiss his statement saying Trayvon started the fight.

Dismiss it on what basis? What other facts are there to prove otherwise?

reply to post by PLASIFISK


Because we police ourselves, the whole town..... We live in the middle of nowhere, not like a gated community. You would not get here by accident. People are generally not going to argue with a big bearded guy with an AR strapped on his back. On the offchance he refuses, I would call the RCMP, and follow his ass until they got there. It's not gonna happen though lol. And nice dig at me calling me george

Originally posted by RickKilgannon

Originally posted by firemonkey

Originally posted by RickKilgannon

Originally posted by firemonkey
There are no eye witnesses of the start of the fight.

We have Zimmerman saying Trayvon started it...but he never testified...did he?

The defendant in a trial does not have to testify. He gave statements countless times on video.

And any competent jury would dismiss his statement saying Trayvon started the fight.

Dismiss it on what basis? What other facts are there to prove otherwise?

Dismiss it because it is a conflict of interest...Zimmerman would have a direct benefit in lying about this.

reply to post by firemonkey


I hope you never land in a jury pool....

Originally posted by firemonkey
Dismiss it because it is a conflict of interest...Zimmerman would have a direct benefit in lying about this.

So it is a conflict of interest for the defendant to give his side of the story? If that is a conflict of interest then why would there ever be a need for a defendant in any case to give their side of the story? Why not just believe whatever that the prosecution says, no need to get facts for justice.

reply to post by firemonkey


Holy crap people, look at the evidence. He doesn't have to lie, the evidence is there, out in the open for everyone to see...

Originally posted by firemonkey
Dismiss it because it is a conflict of interest...Zimmerman would have a direct benefit in lying about this.

Interesting.

If you ever stand trial, would you want to be judged in that manner? Somehow, I think not.

Originally posted by muse7

So only Zimmerman has the right to stand his ground? If I saw someone following me around I would sure as heck try to stand my ground. What if Trayvon feared for his life?

I see...so "standing your ground" = assaulting someone following you? Interesting interpretation of the law...

It has been stated numerous times that TM could, indeed, stand his ground, however once TM was on top of GZ, stand your ground goes out the window and felony assault jumps right in.

really getting tired of rehashing the same obtuse arguments from different people. I am done.

reply to post by IvanAstikov


You don't know anything about me, but I agree with the majority of the people basing their opinions on the evidence, I must be a racist. Not that I need to answer to you, but only one of my last 4 girlfriends was white.

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by PLASIFISK

 

Because we police ourselves, the whole town..... We live in the middle of nowhere, not like a gated community. You would not get here by accident. People are generally not going to argue with a big bearded guy with an AR strapped on his back. On the offchance he refuses, I would call the RCMP, and follow his ass until they got there. It's not gonna happen though lol. And nice dig at me calling me george

So you and your AR are gonna make a person leave his neighborhood because you don't know him , he having only lived there for about a week. All because he told you basically to mind your business?

Nice community.

So how do you ensure you know everybody that lives there?!?

Your like george's big brother!!! Jeez.

I'm hoping for an acquittal...

btw, Mark O'Mara confirmed he'll be writing a book on the case.

Can't wait to read it...

Originally posted by RickKilgannon

Originally posted by Rulkiewicz
I asked this a few pages back but think it was over looked... since the night of the incident, February 26 2012, has the crime rate within Zimmerman's gated community increase, decreased or stayed the same?

My guess is that you would have to find someone that lives in the community and ask them, that might be the only way to find out. Because I don't think that you could get the police to release info on that small of a place.

You can request data for a neighborhood and such, however it is a crapshoot as to how current the data would be. Often the data is from the previous year or longer back.

reply to post by PLASIFISK


I know every single person that lives in the town, as does everyone else. No one is going to move out, and another move in without the word being spread. That is how it is here, and yeah, we don't take kindly to strangers that don't belong here. Could be why we have no crime? Nearest town is 30 minutes driving at 100 kmph, you aren't going to wander here by accident.

Originally posted by firemonkey

Originally posted by RickKilgannon

Originally posted by firemonkey
There are no eye witnesses of the start of the fight.

We have Zimmerman saying Trayvon started it...but he never testified...did he?

The defendant in a trial does not have to testify. He gave statements countless times on video.

And any competent jury would dismiss his statement saying Trayvon started the fight.

I see...without proof they should dismiss the defendant's statements.

wow...I hope you are never a defendant and your statements are dismissed so handily.

reply to post by PLASIFISK


In the town I live in there is a population of about 300, we have to keep an eye on each others saftey. The closest law enforcement is 30min away. People in our town have folloewd and question the youth as to what they were doing on countless occasions. Never once did the children feel like they should assault some one bause of this. Never once has the adult population felt that in some way their childrens rights were violated because someone asked "what are you doing".

It is sad times when mebers of the community can be villified for watching out for each other.

I know she was not the sharpest tool in the shed, but didnt the girl on the phone state that TM told her he was going to confront GZ? So that is one for defense and one prosecuting witness stating this?

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by Pixiefyre

 

If the jewelry in Trayvon's possession had truly been matched to a reported burglary, then surely the bling would have been returned to it's rightful owner, right? So, where's the home-owner whose house was burgled to back up these claims?

No and I already explained why. The school has separate police. At the school thy reported it as missing items because they were incompetent and covered crimes in order to get more funding and appear to be a lower crime school. The police dept handled the burglary and since it was a burglary they didn't compare it to lost and found.

My understanding is:

Anyone can follow anyone. Trayvon could follow George; George could follow Trayvon.

Anyone can civilly,verbally confront anyone: Trayvon could confront George; George could confront Trayvon.

Anyone can call the police at any time to say they are uncomfortable with anyone else. They can say they look suspicious, creepy etc.

No one; I say again NO ONE can give another person an @ss -whooping. It does not matter what the circumstances are; you can not give someone an @ss whopping. In every situation it is against the law to give an @ss whopping.

In this case, was anyone involved giving the other an @ss whopping? Enough said.

Originally posted by Wiz4769
I know she was not the sharpest tool in the shed, but didnt the girl on the phone state that TM told her he was going to confront GZ? So that is one for defense and one prosecuting witness stating this?

Yes she did and the prosecution lied about it yesterday during closing statements they claimed Zimmerman confronted Martin which went against prosecutions own key witess.