The Zimmerman Trial

reply to post by MrWendal


www.wftv.com...

She just picked up her head when you posted that. She had been reading and writing but then the defense said something that made her put everything down and pay attention ...

I'm not the only one who noticed. People are writing in who are watching on that livestream ...

reply to post by FlyersFan


Again, the Attorney is discussing case law (other cases) and was very clear in saying "you have the one before you", which indicates they turned in the case law for the Judges review in support of their motion. Chances are, that is what she is looking at and taking notes on.

I saw her watching intently a while ago. And that blog is overwhelmingly biased toward Zimmerman.

She's both watching him and reading/ making notes on the stuff he's talking about.

www.wftv.com...

Quick Poll at the live stream .....
65% say it should be dropped now.
34% say to keep it going.
1% have no opinion.

This is interesting because the other day the question was 'guilty or innocent' based on the info so far and it was
%75 not guilty

It might be better for Zimmerman if he has the trial go to the end and gets his 'not guilty'.
That way he can't be tried again. I don't know if he can be tried again if the judge
drops the case against him at this point. Anyone know??? Is it an official 'not guilty'
and so he can't be re-tried?

Originally posted by MrWendal

Originally posted by WonderBoi
And i guess the lights in the complex weren't working? It was so dark, he needed a flashlight?

Again, if you watched this trial at all you would already know the answer to this stupid question.

Yes it was dark. Yes, there were NO LIGHTS outside on that dog walk/pathway. This was all addressed when they showed the crime scene photos in the first week. The only light source in the crime scene photos was the flash of the camera because there was NO OTHER LIGHT SOURCE.

It is amazing to me that you are so die hard on your opinion but you have very little facts about this case.

My questions aren't HALF AS STUPID as George's actions, that night. Why did he LEAVE HIS VEHICLE, if it were soooooooo dark, and he was sooooooooo scared of Trayvon? I'm asking questions, so i can lead you to another question because there are questions that HAVEN'T BEEN ASKED and haven't been answered.

FYI....i got PLENTY of facts. STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. Give me something, other than the b.s., you're passing off, as facts.

George got of his vehicle, to get a street address, in an unlit location, knowing that a criminal thug, that he was afraid of, just went through there? Not only did he get out of his truck, but as he was walking through an unlit location, his flashlight didn't work, YET, continued; with a criminal at large? And, you say: my questions are stupid? Not 1/2 as stupid, as some of the logic i've seen displayed, in this thread.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

When I was looking she wasn't ... and she was writing and reading.
The people on that live stream absolutely think the prosecution has failed. Miserably.

Whatever. She's not going to go for it. The prosecution at this point is getting free time
to say what he wants.


Ohhhh .. she's reading again .... MSNBC .....

reply to post by FlyersFan


He couldn't be tried again if he was acquitted.

I do think they should go on, because the prosecution should have the opportunity to "turn" defense witnesses and you never know what might come out.

16 full seconds of the camera on her and she was watching him.

Originally posted by MrWendal
. Chances are, that is what she is looking at and taking notes on.

That could very well be. Who knows All I know is if I was addressing someone I'd want them to look like they were paying attention. Like I said though, she won't go for it and this is just free time for the defense to get to say what he wants and get his story across. IMHO.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
I saw her watching intently a while ago. And that blog is overwhelmingly biased toward Zimmerman.

She's both watching him and reading/ making notes on the stuff he's talking about.

That blog the first week was overwhelmingly pro Martin it seems many have changed their minds.

Either it is the people or the ones filtering it because they never ran anything I posted.


I just do not see how this can go on as a Murder 2 charge.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
16 full seconds of the camera on her and she was watching him.

Maybe she's reading court notes like was just suggested. Dunno.
All I know is if I was addressing someone I'd want them paying attention to me.

The defense is starting to look tired.

MSNBC .. she's not looking again ... so perhaps she's looking off and on ....

Originally posted by WonderBoi
My questions aren't HALF AS STUPID as George's actions, that night. Why did he LEAVE HIS VEHICLE, if it were soooooooo dark, and he was sooooooooo scared of Trayvon? I'm asking questions, so i can lead you to another question because there are questions that HAVEN'T BEEN ASKED and haven't been answered.

FYI....i got PLENTY of facts. STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSES MOUTH. Give me something, other than the b.s., you're passing off, as facts.

George got of his vehicle, to get a street address, in an unlit location, knowing that a criminal thug, that he was afraid of, just went through there? Not only did he get out of his truck, but as he was walking through an unlit location, his flashlight didn't work, YET, continued; with a criminal at large? And, you say: my questions are stupid?

Not 1/2 as stupid, as some of the logic i've seen displayed, in this thread.

Want to know what is really amusing to me?

You have no idea that my position on this is Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter.

Yes, I think Zimmerman is guilty of a crime, but you wouldn't know that cause you have spent the last several days attacking every little thing you can find in an attempt to troll the thread.

Let me ask you, what bs am I passing off as facts? Please feel free to list them. Since I happen to believe Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter, and you think he is guilty of murder, whatever "bs" you think I am passing off as facts just means that your passing off bs as well does it not?

Originally posted by IvanAstikov
reply to post by NotAnAspie

 

The fact he didn't flee is indicative of the deranged self righteous aggressive attitude of a lot of people in our society and they need to be put back in their place and Zimmerman needs to go to prison for a long long time.

He never had the option to flee, otherwise I'm sure he would have. He had phoned the nen number and he knew he had to face the music.

He didn't flee because he knew people were watching from their windows and had to make his case for self defense but he did have the option to have not been there in the first place.

After Martin was on the ground bleeding, he most certainly did have the physical option to attempt to flee, but perhaps not the logistical option to flee.

My only point in bringing this up initially is because people say this proves his innocence but it doesn't.

It means he thought he was right to do this which makes him a very poor judge of circumstances and why people like him should not be police officers.

reply to post by FlyersFan


I am sure she is paying attention, she will have to rule on this motion to dismiss and justify her ruling.

It is very common for a Judge to be taking notes and looking at case law and other things at issue within a case at trial. It is a very common practice. Look back at footage of the OJ Trial and you can see the same thing at various times.

The prosecution is still going for Murder 2
they are now arguing for it ...

Prosecution rebuttal - Pointing a gun and shooting someone in the heart is evidence of 'ill will'.
The prosecution is stating that just the fact that there is a gunshot is evidence of ill will.
That's absurd. Self defense using a gun happens all around the country.
That's not misplaced spit or ill will. That's just self defense.

The Prosecutor really needs a better argument. It's not holding water.

reply to post by MrWendal


Okay. I'll take your word on it. Like I said .. I'm used to having people pay attention to 'ME' when I'm addressing them. Perhaps people in the court room do things differently. It just looked really out of place to me ...

I have been wondering.

Could the judge have been helping the prosecution because she knew at the rate they were going she would have to dismiss at this point? If she dismisses there are going to be a lot of anger and she will be trying to appease the public.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
The prosecution is still going for Murder 2
they are now arguing for it ...

Prosecution rebuttal - Pointing a gun and shooting someone in the heart is evidence of 'ill will'.
The prosecution is stating that just the fact that there is a gunshot is evidence of ill will.
That's absurd. Self defense using a gun happens all around the country.
That's not misplaced spit or ill will. That's just self defense.

The Prosecutor really needs a better argument. It's not holding water.

The Prosecutor is going with the shock value again by using F word. They may still get the Murder 2 charge to go forward but that doesn't mean that the jury will see it the same way. I don't think by what the prosecution has brought so far they can even get a manslaughter conviction.

Prosecution brings up the fact that Zimmerman didn't identify himself as neighborhood watch. That's a good point. But it isn't a murder2 point. It's a manslaughter point. IMHO.

Prosecution is complaining about Zimmermans story changes. However, Lead Investigator Serino has already stated under oath that Zimmermans small differences in telling his story were expected and not important. This doesn't raise to Murder 2 level.

Okay ... judge is watching closely. Just gotta' make note of it ...

reply to post by FlyersFan


Well this is something you and I can agree on.

The State has not proved Murder 2. Not even close. However, I have to wonder if there is no room to convict on a lesser charge considering the motion the defense has brought to the table. If a lesser charge was an option, then this motion would be completely out of order and inappropriate.

Although, right now the Prosecution is making a solid point by reminding the court how he did not identify himself, did not agree to meet at the mailbox and instead told police to call him cause he wouldn't know where he would be. Also, the whole "These always get away" can be argued to his state of mind, and they are pointing out a lot of his subtle inconsistencies.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Okay ... judge is watching closely.

Just gotta' make note of it ...

I noticed that too, after you mentioned that she was looking down and writing during the defense talking. For the prosecution she has been intently listening and watching every time that they have showed her.