ATS, Your Reaction To Alex Jones Is Ignorant and Disrespectful

reply to post by Wonderer2012




Alex Jones has to do something to earn some respect, before I am going to care if people are being disrespectful.

reply to post by captaintyinknots


I respect you and you do not have to do anything to have my respect.
For a second imagine a world where disrespect rules (no respect for one another )a human being has to do something you LIKE to deserve your respect. Imagine the disrespect... wait a minute that is what is happening in the world and it is not right.

Originally posted by BDBinc
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

I respect you and you do not have to do anything to have my respect.
For a second imagine a world where disrespect rules (no respect for one another )a human being has to do something you LIKE to deserve your respect. Imagine the disrespect... wait a minute that is what is happening in the world and it is not right.

When someone discredits themselves as many times as AJ has, then yes, they do have to something to earn my respect.

Originally posted by EViLKoNCEPTz
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

See I don't have a problem with the man making money, I just think he goes about doing it in a disingenuous way. He preys on people's fear and paranoia for profit, which in my book isn't cool. He just comes off as a kook most of the time and he has NO self control. Ranting and raving the sky is falling every other day doesn't gain one much credibility when the sky never falls. Ever heard of the boy who cried wolf? I wonder if his name was Alex Jones? Cuz that's all he does day in day out is cry wolf by sensationalizing things and blowing them way out of proportion, or flat out making them up.

And to the poster who asked what I do for a living, it's really non of your business but I don't get paid through advertising or selling anything. I work for a living, and I work hard. I help people put their lives back together after a disaster, accident, fire, death, any kind of loss.

I asked you what you profit from because Alex's generation of profit is central to your arguments that he is a fraud with nothing but ill intentions. It actually makes me laugh to hear what you do for a living. The irony. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but based on what you've said, you appear to be in the insurance business? Insurance is sold on the premise that catastrophic events, unforeseen and out of one's control, can cause devastation in people's lives. Maybe you aren't the salesman within your organization, but I guarantee you your profit is made by people who put fear and paranoia in the minds of others in hopes someone will buy into those fears by purchasing an insurance policy. If the sky never fell, no one would buy insurance, and you would have zero resources to "help people put their lives back together after disaster, accident, fire, death, any kind of loss." A great number of policy holders never see the kind of disasters their policies cover, but it is on their shoulders that insurance companies are able to cover the excessive losses in the lives of those who do get hit by disaster and pay the income of individuals such as yourself, furthering your ability to help them rebuild.

Maybe I'm the freaking crazy one but, to put it as simply as possible, I think it's irrational to claim that Alex is not genuine because he makes a profit while, and for the purpose of, further spreading his message and feeding his family.

Remember you said: "He profits off of every one of those, so his goal it to drive his profits up, otherwise he would use other venues to get his message out and not just the one's he profits from directly. All he is is a glorified salesman."
— I have seen Alex use many, many "other venues," at no cost to get his message out. I think his goal is to get his message out and the profit he makes allows him to spend all day working on getting that message out while feeding his family. I would say your goal is to help people who have experienced great loss get their lives back together and the profit you make allows you to spend all day working on helping these people get their lives back together, while at the same time feeding your family. Does this make sense?

Disrespectful? Really? So it was not disrespectful for him to pander to people and string them along for years? It is not like he hasn't done anything deserving of the criticism he receives. I have always stayed away from people like this, and especially him, because he is obviously a charlatan who is simply concerned with making money from people by thinking up things that could not be further from the truth and attempting to pass them off as fact. He gets lucky very rarely, and if you will notice, much of what he says cannot be proven. But the key is that a lot of it cannot be disproven either. THAT is what people like this count on. That, and that there are people in the masses who are willing to accept his kind of talk without any sufficient evidence to back it up. Just because he says something does not make it true.

reply to post by TruthLover557


Where I live it isn't "if" a bad thing will happen, it's WHEN it will happen. We get hit with multiple hurricanes or the bad weather from them EVERY year and people loose a lot of things they can't afford to replace. I'm independent I don't work for any particular company I'm contracted to go and assess the damages and get people the money they need to get on with their lives and move forward without being homeless and penniless after a storm, or flood or fire take everything from them.

Insurance companies don't sell anything based on fear, they sell insurance based on calculated risks. Accidents happen all the time, would you rather lose everything and need to pay to replace and rebuild it out of your own pocket? You obviously have no idea how the insurance industry is even run. The company I was contracted under last fall paid out billions of dollars to people affected by hurricane Sandy. We pay out billions every year to help people cope with their losses. I'm on the ground in the devastation, I see what people go through after a loss. You have no idea how many people break down and bawl their eyes out when I hand them their checks. It's not much but I know it takes a ton of stress off of them and their families, especially the lower class living paycheck to paycheck. I don't run around screaming the sky is falling to get people to buy insurance, no one does. What they do is sit down and look at the risks in people's lives and try to gauge what the chances of something happening are based on the local history of weather, age and construction of their homes, risk of flooding based on history, etc. Next time you have some kind of disastrous loss make sure to tell your insurance adjuster you don't need his help so they can save their money for someone who does.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by BDBinc
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

I respect you and you do not have to do anything to have my respect.
For a second imagine a world where disrespect rules (no respect for one another )a human being has to do something you LIKE to deserve your respect. Imagine the disrespect... wait a minute that is what is happening in the world and it is not right.

When someone discredits themselves as many times as AJ has, then yes, they do have to something to earn my respect.

Disrespect is the discrediting. Isn't it better to write the truth as oppose to increasing disrespect and trying to impress people who do not respect other people UNLESS they do something they agree with and like.
Has trying to spread the truth discredited AJ? If so tell me how. You don't like his personality but that is not grounds to disrespect him or what he is trying to do.
It is an intolerant perspective.

reply to post by captaintyinknots


I assure you he does not have to earn your respect as you do not have to earn mine even when we disagree on what thinking/ feeling is better for the world. Respect or disrespect- its your choice. Basic self disrespect creates more disrespect for others and so on and so forth until there is no respect for life.

reply to post by BDBinc

Disrespect is the discrediting. Isn't it better to write the truth as oppose to increasing disrespect and trying to impress people who do not respect other people UNLESS they do something they agree with and like.
Has trying to spread the truth discredited AJ? If so tell me how. You don't like his personality but that is not grounds to disrespect him or what he is trying to do.
It is an intolerant perspective.

In another thread on this exact topic, I posted a list of some of the MANY false predictions he made. He continues to predict absolute gloom and doom, day after day, while selling anything and everything he can connected to such things for a large profit.

And this is called truth

There was a time when I had respect for AJ, if for no other reason than that he was opening eyes. Now, all he does is give the mainstream something to point to when they're saying "look, conspiracy theorists are nuts!". He does more on a day to day basis to HARM the CT community than anyone else.

Originally posted by EViLKoNCEPTz
reply to post by TruthLover557

 

Where I live it isn't "if" a bad thing will happen, it's WHEN it will happen. We get hit with multiple hurricanes or the bad weather from them EVERY year and people loose a lot of things they can't afford to replace. I'm independent I don't work for any particular company I'm contracted to go and assess the damages and get people the money they need to get on with their lives and move forward without being homeless and penniless after a storm, or flood or fire take everything from them.

Insurance companies don't sell anything based on fear, they sell insurance based on calculated risks. Accidents happen all the time, would you rather lose everything and need to pay to replace and rebuild it out of your own pocket? You obviously have no idea how the insurance industry is even run. The company I was contracted under last fall paid out billions of dollars to people affected by hurricane Sandy. We pay out billions every year to help people cope with their losses. I'm on the ground in the devastation, I see what people go through after a loss. You have no idea how many people break down and bawl their eyes out when I hand them their checks. It's not much but I know it takes a ton of stress off of them and their families, especially the lower class living paycheck to paycheck. I don't run around screaming the sky is falling to get people to buy insurance, no one does. What they do is sit down and look at the risks in people's lives and try to gauge what the chances of something happening are based on the local history of weather, age and construction of their homes, risk of flooding based on history, etc. Next time you have some kind of disastrous loss make sure to tell your insurance adjuster you don't need his help so they can save their money for someone who does.

You clearly and completely missed my point. Until you refuse to be paid for the daily work you do, your harsh judgments of Alex Jones and his income are hypocritical.

Good day to you.

reply to post by TruthLover557


I don't get paid millions of dollars. I make a living wage, barely enough to support my family of four. So you comparing me to Alex Jones is completely illogical. I guess I'm a hypocrite cuz I don't think athletes should be paid millions to play a game as well? At least I make my income honestly, not by lying and sensationalizing things to play on people's fears. All Alex Jones does is talk, loudly, and you think that deserves a 6 figure plus a year income? I mean come on the man flat out lies about his social status, I don't know of many middle class citizens sitting on a $5 million plus bank account. The man is wealthy not middle class by a long shot. He's about $4,750,000 from middle class. I'm sorry you're offended I don't take the false claims and maniacal ravings of a blowhard as gospel. I have my own brain, I don't need a charlatan to tell me what I need to know, I can find that information on my own.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by BDBinc

 

Disrespect is the discrediting. Isn't it better to write the truth as oppose to increasing disrespect and trying to impress people who do not respect other people UNLESS they do something they agree with and like.
Has trying to spread the truth discredited AJ? If so tell me how. You don't like his personality but that is not grounds to disrespect him or what he is trying to do.
It is an intolerant perspective.

In another thread on this exact topic, I posted a list of some of the MANY false predictions he made. He continues to predict absolute gloom and doom, day after day, while selling anything and everything he can connected to such things for a large profit.

And this is called truth

There was a time when I had respect for AJ, if for no other reason than that he was opening eyes. Now, all he does is give the mainstream something to point to when they're saying "look, conspiracy theorists are nuts!". He does more on a day to day basis to HARM the CT community than anyone else.

If you think you are a conspiracy theorist and in a small community(not a human being in the world) you would be nuts.
Did it occur to you that allowing Alex Jones to be the only spokesperson for all conspiracy theory is wrong thinking in the first place.
He is not my spokesperson I don't need one.
If you are a conspiracy theorist I don't mistake you for Alex Jones, nor do I think all people who mistakenly identify themselves and self label as conspiracy theorists are like Alex Jones .

You are worried people will think you are nuts?
I don't want to be in a community that is only for people who believe the same theories, thats nuts.
I am not suggesting you respect his wealth, respect his passion, or respect any THING he does or says .
I am just saying we need to have respect for all human beings. Not disrespect them because we don't like something they say or do.

Cannot ever take this guy seriously after this episode. It's all well and good blaming the host for telling the continually interjecting Jones to 'shut up'. But it's incumbent upon Jones to remain civil as a guest on another guy's program. What would he have said had someone acted as he did on his radio show? Much more scathingly, I'm certain.

Moreover, how does he expect anyone but the most fringe, tin foil hat wearing loons to respect his voice if he acts like an orangutan? Or perhaps it's only in these loons he's interested...

Originally posted by EViLKoNCEPTz
reply to post by TruthLover557

 

I don't get paid millions of dollars. I make a living wage, barely enough to support my family of four. So you comparing me to Alex Jones is completely illogical. I guess I'm a hypocrite cuz I don't think athletes should be paid millions to play a game as well? At least I make my income honestly, not by lying and sensationalizing things to play on people's fears. All Alex Jones does is talk, loudly, and you think that deserves a 6 figure plus a year income? I mean come on the man flat out lies about his social status, I don't know of many middle class citizens sitting on a $5 million plus bank account. The man is wealthy not middle class by a long shot. He's about $4,750,000 from middle class. I'm sorry you're offended I don't take the false claims and maniacal ravings of a blowhard as gospel. I have my own brain, I don't need a charlatan to tell me what I need to know, I can find that information on my own.

I never suggested listening to what Alex Jones has to say, let alone take his word as gospel, so no need to apologize for no one is offended. I don't care about your informational needs or where you get your news. I don't care if you get paid millions or barely enough to support your large family. I don't care about possible false claims regarding one's status in the social class system.

I am offended by your implication that you know what is fair and just and who among us is more deserving of wealth than others. I'm offended by your suggestion that any one with views that are inconsistent with your version of fairness is an ignorant maniac. I will probably get over it ...

They don't like Alex Jones because they are afraid that what he has been saying very well might be true and if it is many people will end up getting hurt.

Fear is what leads them to mockery and denial.

Haha I love what the presenter done at teh end the crazy thing... Legend..

reply to post by BDBinc

If you think you are a conspiracy theorist and in a small community(not a human being in the world) you would be nuts.

Ok? You clearly missed the point. It has nothing to do with what people consider themselves. It has to do with the MSM's ability to label them.

Did it occur to you that allowing Alex Jones to be the only spokesperson for all conspiracy theory is wrong thinking in the first place.

Again, clearly you are missing the point. I dont let AJ speak for me in any way. That doesnt stop the MSM from using him as an example.

He is not my spokesperson I don't need one

Good for you. You are STILL missing the point.

If you are a conspiracy theorist I don't mistake you for Alex Jones, nor do I think all people who mistakenly identify themselves and self label as conspiracy theorists are like Alex Jones .

Good for you. That has nothing to do with it. Its public perception, not individual. Its also public portrayal.

You are worried people will think you are nuts?

Nope, not in any way. You are STILL missing the point.

I don't want to be in a community that is only for people who believe the same theories, thats nuts.

Fantastic, nor do I. What does this have to do with anything I have said?

I am not suggesting you respect his wealth, respect his passion, or respect any THING he does or says . I am just saying we need to have respect for all human beings. Not disrespect them because we don't like something they say or do.

Suggestion noted I get the feeling that the entire point I am making is completely lost on you.

Some people have a healthy sense of passion and understand the delivery.

Others don't. Those others would rot at the bottom of a pit before doing anything productive like the Sam Adams of our time.

Good Day

reply to post by captaintyinknots

How can I miss your point you haven't made a point for your disrespect. You respect human beings only when they do things that impress you.
You don't respect them.
I am not going to continue to speak to you of what is wrong in the world where disrespect for others rules.

reply to post by BDBinc

How can I miss your point you haven't made a point for your disrespect.

My disrespect? Im am not disrespectful to him whatsoever. I just have no respect for him.

You respect human beings only when they do things that impress you.

How did you come to this conclusion, and why are you trying to sway the topic to untruths about me?

You don't respect them.

I dont respect those who hurt the cause they claim to be trying to help, this is true. I dont respect liars, this is true. I dont respect people who sell fear, this is true.

I am not going to continue to speak to you of what is wrong in the world where disrespect for others rules.

And the point is clearly still missed.