Monsanto Still Testing GM Wheat

reply to post by burntheships

I guess you missed this post:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Phage


No, I dont agree with your companion.
Thats all.

Originally posted by alfa1

The Oregon strain is the MON 71800 variety.
The other ones mentioned are different.

How different are they?
How are they different?

reply to post by burntheships


Part of the patent-ability of the "product" is down to the level of specific molecular configurations.

Change one tiny element; a whole new patent...., (hell; nowadays a whole new company!)

- or -

Perhaps the specific 'offending' model number (and therefore singular instance) of artificially "evolved" product should stand on trial as an aberration, an exception?

Originally posted by burntheships
So they closed it out, did they?
According to Monsanto

The MON 71800 trial, yes.
1. Do you have any information that the MON 71800 is still ongoing?
2. Did you bother to read my post about lumping all GMO into the same basket?
3. Does the Ford Motor Company still make the Edsel, or have they closed off that project?

reply to post by Maxmars


My inquiry about the difference to Alfa does pertain to the enzyme, specifially AHAS.
Just wanted to hear what he had to say before I posted some interesting info.

BASF released the first herbicide tolerant wheat in 2007 in Canada commercially known as Clearfield wheat. Clearfield wheat is a product of mutation breeding developed to survive the presence of imidazolinone herbicide which blocks the activity of acetohydroxyacid synthase (AHAS). AHAS is the first enzyme in the biosynthetic pathway of branched amino acids essential for plant growth. Based on the results of the field trials in the U.S., Clearfield is almost similar to the parental line in terms of vigor, time to maturity, seed production (yield), disease resistance, and tendency to weediness8.

The first herbicide tolerant wheat produced through genetic engineering was developed by Monsanto, the MON 71800 event, commercially known as Roundup Ready™ wheat. A gene from common soil bacterium Agrobacterium tumefaciens strain CP4 was introduced to wheat to produce a glyphosate tolerant wheat line. The gene codes for the production of a novel form of the enzyme 5-enolpyruvylshikimate-3-phosphate synthase (EPSPS) which functions in the shikimate pathway, a biochemical pathway responsible for the synthesis of aromatic amino acids and other aromatic compounds which are vital for growth and survival.

www.isaaa.org...

Point being that MON 71800 has a specific fingerprint.
It will be interesting to see the futher analysis on the testings they are doing now.

Originally posted by burntheships
How different are they?
How are they different?

Well, gee if you actually bothered to spend ten seconds to read the links I provided...

Monsanto says its efforts will focus on biotechnology and traditional breeding to achieve a drought-tolerant trait and increased yield.
The company will likely not commercialize a Roundup Ready wheat, adding to its blockbuster Roundup Ready corn and soy products, Gardner said.

The MON 71800 is a Roundup resistant trial.
The newer ones are "drought-tolerant trait and increased yield. "
So the answer is "very different".
And you'd know that if you spent some time learning about the topic you're protesting about.

Originally posted by alfa1
The Oregon strain is the MON 71800 variety.
The other ones mentioned are different. .

Originally posted by alfa1
The newer ones are "drought-tolerant trait and increased yield. "
So the answer is "very different".

Yes, so then how is it? If Monsanto had obtained an application
to sell the GMO wheat, they woud be calling foul, likely suing
the farmer for not buying the seed.

Mosanto claims only they can know if the
Round Up Resistant wheat in Oregon is theirs...wel they provided
the USDA with the test for the wheat to begin with, and in a press conference
call last week, company officials stressed the potential for false positives and
noted that Monsanto hasn’t been given plant samples to test.

"It's kind of making it sound like, 'We're Monsanto, we know how to do the test and other people don't,'" said Robert Zimetra, a wheat breeder at OSU's Department of Crop and Soil Science.

Mallory-Smith said the OSU lab used more sophisticated DNA tests that specifically singled out the inserted gene, using controls from other wheat varieties to guard against false positives.

The tests were also on Roundup resistant plants taken straight from a field, she said, not on stored seeds or grain. The only potential for contamination of the wheat plants from other crops would have been if other crops were pollinating in April when the volunteer wheat was reported, she said, and they weren't.
www.oregonlive.com...

Originally posted by burntheships
Yes, so then how is it? If Monsanto had obtained an application to sell the GMO wheat,
they woud be calling foul, likely suing the farmer for not buying the seed.

What?
So if I understand this right, if something other than reality happened, then something other
that what happened in real life, would likely happen?
Is that your argument?

But anyway, no. It is, as I've explained before, not an amount in commecial quantities.
It was only some volunteer plants.
A "contamination" amount.

Originally posted by burntheships
Mosanto claims only they can know if the Round Up Resistant wheat in Oregon is theirs.

Provide a reference for that assertion please.
The news article you linked to doesnt support your argument.

In fact Monsanto specifically say the opposite, that the USDA did in fact perform the test correctly:

A Monsanto spokesman said the company is "operating on the assumption" that the test results announced 10 days ago are valid.

...as long as you realise that false positives can occur.