Edward Snowden: Lets Stand Behind Him 100%

Originally posted by thesaneone
I was all for this guy up til he decided to hang with China and if China is offering to protect him then he is giving them secrets also.

Hey dummy? The enemies within our own government have given Red China more secrets than anyone like this guy ever has. Plus, You don't understand anything whatsoever about Hong Kong. Fix your brain you slave. ~$heopleNation

reply to post by SheopleNation


Nice, name calling it really shows your intelligence. So i am a dummy because i don't think he is a hero? If you don't think China will do what it wants where it wants then you are the lead sheople.

Woo Hoo! Ron Paul make mincemeat out of Piers Morgan and the Dictatorship he shills.

Ron Paul Blasts NSA Defenders: Surveillance Destroying Constitution, You're Justifying Dictatorship



I like this Orwell quote

reply to post by sad_eyed_lady


That's right sad_eyed_lady, and as Ron Paul says, folks are eager to punish the whistleblower, but nobody's talking about punishing those who defy the Constitution and strip away the civil rights of American citizens.

That's just how deep into Orwellian Thought Crime type thinking we have actually sunk!

Write to your senators and representatives expressing concern about the massive surveillance state, and how Edward disappeared in Hong Kong. I did.

A lot of people have already, besides me. Write, write, write, express, express, express.

I also added a bit extra, I said congress should use the NSA surveillance records to get rid of corruption in Washington D.C., I specifically mentioned they should investigate what's been going on in the executive branch, because they honestly do not know and are not being told.

Congress is already expressing frustration that they don't know what is going on, so I just let them know that the NSA happens to have surveillance records on the Obama Administration

So, we all know that the US government is primarily in place now to support business interests. I think the rational that we being fed that this is all about anti-terriost intelligence gathering is of course, ridiculous. It's really being gathered to further economic growth and selling/buying trends of americans. It's a way to squeeze more money out of us. You can see now that there is no real "outrage" going on about the government listening in. Nothing is going to change. I'm already reading that the government here has no plans to stop the NSA from doing what's it's doing. This poor guy has lost everything to try to stop something that will never be stopped. England is doing this too. In fact, I would imagine the if they can afford it, all modern countries do it. At least where the governments are set up to promote economic growth (not the protection and support of the individual). All the break ups of terrorist plots have been broken up by good police work and luck (see: www.bbc.co.uk...).

These guys were caught by observant police, NOT monitoring their e-mail or listening to phone calls.

Edward Snowden: Lets Stand Behind Him 100%,

My initial reaction to what he did was that he did a helpful thing for all us Americans. HOWEVER, I will withhold final judgement until all the facts come out. I just read that he may go to Russia. If he does that, then that tells me that he didn't release the info for ideological reasons. He did it for something more nefarious or selfish. So I'll wait until all the information on him and what he did comes out.

Originally posted by darkbake
Write to your senators and representatives expressing concern about the massive surveillance state, and how Edward disappeared in Hong Kong. I did.

A lot of people have already, besides me. Write, write, write, express, express, express.

I also added a bit extra, I said congress should use the NSA surveillance records to get rid of corruption in Washington D.C., I specifically mentioned they should investigate what's been going on in the executive branch, because they honestly do not know and are not being told.

Congress is already expressing frustration that they don't know what is going on, so I just let them know that the NSA happens to have surveillance records on the Obama Administration

edit on 11-6-2013 by darkbake because: (no reason given)

I heard this morning there is a White House petition supporting Snowden with something like 89,000 signatures on it already. You have to access the White House webpages and sign it. Maybe that is going to be the new watch list. I am going to look it up and sign it anyway. I have nothing to hide but it doesn't matter, I respect our Bill of Rights, peoples right not to have a heavy handed government spying on them and think our politicians and government should too!

For those who say that both men broke the law and should be punished, should take a step back and ask themselves what law or laws have they broken, Are they whistleblowers or traitors. That is not so easy to answer.
This is what Obama has said about protecting whistleblowers,

"Protect Whistleblowers: Often the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government is an existing government employee committed to public integrity and willing to speak out. Such acts of courage and patriotism, which can sometimes save lives and often save taxpayer dollars, should be encouraged rather than stifled. We need to empower federal employees as watchdogs of wrongdoing and partners in performance. Barack Obama will strengthen whistleblower laws to protect federal workers who expose waste, fraud, and abuse of authority in government. Obama will ensure that federal agencies expedite the process for reviewing whistleblower claims and whistleblowers have full access to courts and due process."

On that basis, neither men are traitors are they? In fact they are patriots, in fact what they have done is to reinforce a return to a sane democracy, not Orwellian robotics.
The programme 'Prism' is 'legal' in that it sanctioned by congress and the courts, yet it is an invasion of privacy even if only used in the way it is presented, which it obviously is not, it is much much worse.
More than that, these mass surveillance programmes are not new and have been going on for years*, only the technology changes culminating in the present where everyone in a multitude of countries are affected.

*A small example from 32 years ago,
www.bilderberg.org...

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Edward Snowden: Lets Stand Behind Him 100%,

My initial reaction to what he did was that he did a helpful thing for all us Americans. HOWEVER, I will withhold final judgement until all the facts come out. I just read that he may go to Russia. If he does that, then that tells me that he didn't release the info for ideological reasons. He did it for something more nefarious or selfish. So I'll wait until all the information on him and what he did comes out.

Could you source this? I tend to think Russia may have put out the welcome mat and the MSM is using this to make him look like a traitor.

The title of this is misleading as hell.
Edward Snowden: Russia offers to consider asylum request

www.guardian.co.uk...

Snowden is not known to have made any asylum requests, including to Russia. Yet speaking to the Russian newspaper Kommersant, Dmitry Peskov, Vladimir Putin's spokesman, said: "If such an appeal is given, it will be considered. We'll act according to facts."

edit on 6/11/2013 by sad_eyed_lady because: (no reason given)

Some thoughts I shared with John Boehner (who called Snowden a traitor) and my legislators:

Edward Snowden - Who Really Is the Traitor?

When the author of the Patriot Act says NSA has overstepped it and the government continues on with the program, I will not support a government that operates illegally and skirts the intention of the 4th Amendment. Yes, there are terrorists, but the government has become the biggest terrorist because they instill fear and not respect and trust in the hearts of the citizens. You can love your country and not love your government. "Truth is treason in the empire of lies." - Ron Paul. I support Edward Snowden for exposing government corruption. He is the bravest man I know. Who besides Jesus Christ and a soldier lays down their life for you? He is my brother. He is my son.

I know it is no masterpiece, but it comes from the heart and gets the point across.

I found this anonymous video calling for a petition to pardon Edward Snowden.

Please spread this video and sign the petition!

Originally posted by thesaneone
Nice, name calling it really shows your intelligence. So i am a dummy because i don't think he is a hero? If you don't think China will do what it wants where it wants then you are the lead sheople.

Actually I apologize about the dummy comment, I didn't need to say that. Anyway, I never said the guy is a hero, so don't put words into my mouth.

We don't know all the facts as of yet. I will say though that I don't believe this guy would provide any sort of top secret information to The Chinese. It's not like those guys have the greatest track record with their own people. ~$heopleNation

Edward Snowden is a Hero!

I am tired of the wish wash pu__ies on this site that are afraid to call a spade a spade and all of the paid disinformation people and thread closers. If you need more information before you can call him a hero, just go away and turn on your TV.
I have given up on this site long ago since we can no longer seek the truth and information(sandy hook fraud)(boston fake bombing government setup). These are just a couple current Government agenda scandals that just seem to get washed away. I know who is in charge on this site so don't bother.

Now, we have a guy, that is risking his life, probably never to be returning his country, that released information or proof of what we thought this administration is doing to us American Citizens and more.

No one in the US media would touch this so he went abroad since no one has the balls to actually do the right thing?! Amazing to me, and now, he is being called a traitor, even by both sides of our corrupt government!

The people calling him a traitor, THEY ARE THE REAL TRAITORS!!! DO YOU NOT SEE THIS!? REALLY?


Kids, do you know what the first amendment and the 4th amendment is all about. Stick with the 4th Amendment since I don't want to make this to hard on you.

If you need help with your history that is directly pertinent with this issue, Let me take you to Hitler and the Nazis. If you can't put 2 and 2 together to figure out the correlation, No one can help you.

Deny Ignorance? What ever happened to this? ATS, is now a joke.

Edward Snowden is a Hero! I am not waiting for any more of the Government and coward media to smear him before I decide to call him a hero. I pray for him and his family to be safe.

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They need a "clapping" character so instead well said.

reply to post by loam


You can't question his bravery. Anybody who goes against a Power like the Nsa/U.S government is either Crazy & doing it because a voice in their head told them too, or Crazy & doing it because they are a Rare form of person who's convictions are strong enough to make them go through with it. Snowden gave up a Cushy 200,000 a year job, a family, his Homeland, & possibly his Freedom or Life. Also, Maybe not finishing H.S is what makes him who he is. A lesser Dumbed Down education, which is what we have these days. and not going to college, where your chances of becoming a Moron radical who thinks Communism is good can happen. Those are the 2 combinations that created the President who is a Big part of this problem. Either way he is More Daring, More Honest, & Truly willing to go to extreme lengths to help Change this country. If Millions can support Fake Change.."Obama" Then Even more should support a Man who gave up All 4 Real Change!!

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Okay. Obama is a liar. He is probably going to back-stab both Democrats and Republicans, it just takes time for this kind of thing.

A Full Analysis of a CBS News Story

In this thread, I observed the House Majority Leader on CBS news and gave an analysis - I think that The Obama Administration is actually in the process of making congress powerless, based on the fact that the House Majority Leader could not even state what he thought about him openly!

Anyone who is going along with Obama because he is a Democrat is going to find themselves back-stabbed at some point! Get a real Democrat in office who isn't going to be a danger to your own party!!

Obama's goal is to break the spirit of the law using legal routes, which must have been why he was so interested in studying Constitutional Law.

Meanwhile, whatever he says, for example this little bit on whistle blowers, must have been specifically scripted to be exactly what the population wanted to hear.

I seriously doubt anything he says has anything to do with what he thinks.

In fact, I think what he says has only one purpose - to get people to like him.

As a matter of fact, you can tell this pretty easily by what he is saying. What is is saying is so tailored to what we want to hear that it looks suspiciously like that is its only purpose.

And then look at his actions, since they are not at all what he speaks, he must by lying, easy.

Next, look at how the "spirit" of the law has been completely sent over to the Republicans, while the "Legality" of the law has been completely sent over to the Democrats.

This allows Obama to ruthlessly destroy the spirit of the law using legal methods without any criticism from Democrats.

At some point, all he has to do is point out that the constitution is useless, and it is gone. Same with congress.

It's quite interesting watching the response to PRISM and Snowden here at ATS, especially when contrasted with responses to other monumental events such as the Boston bombing, Newtown shooting, and even military conflicts. Most people here seem to take it as received wisdom that Snowden is a genuine hero with no alternative motive other than doing what's right, and anyone who attempts to portray him as otherwise or question the validity of this position is considered the proverbial "bad guy". Other recent news presented here, however, has been met with quite a bit more skepticism. There are posts in this very thread deeming things like the Boston bombing and the Newtown shooting obvious conspiracies orchestrated by the government or some secretive, all knowing cabal. But Snowden receives a pass. Why? Likely because the narrative is complimentary to the one most ATSers subscribe-- he is speaking out against a government that is clearly wrong, just like people here at ATS believe they are doing. No need to question his motives or why a government or organization that is so nigh-omniscient as to be able to orchestrate several conspiracies readily in a period of months could let this slip through into the public light.

If we are to believe that any organization is as capable and all reaching as many members here seem to believe, then we can not simultaneously hold the belief that someone can so easily slip through the hands of such an organization and provide crucial information on its inner workings without there being anything more to the story. So if you believe that "the powers that be" are manipulating events seamlessly and with an unparalleled degree of precision, then you cannot laud this man as a hero, and, indeed, it would be more consistent to consider him a potential threat. If, on the other hand, you believe Snowden is undoubtedly a hero, then you must accept that the government is every bit as inept and incapable as they have portrayed themselves when they cannot stop tragedy from striking, and any potential organization manipulating it behind the scenes is simply not powerful enough to keep its resources hidden. You can have your omniscient, all reaching pre-dictatorial regime, or you can have your hero. But you cannot have both. Not without a proper weighing of the evidence and objective reasoning for how such a contradictory reality can exist. Not if you are truly seeking to "deny ignorance".

Snowden should make a stand, and take the NSA to court for violating his 4th amendment rights. And if they attempt to prosecute him, then he should also include charges against his 1st amendment rights.

Can anyone help me out here? Does it say anywhere in the constitution that free speech is protected EXCEPT when it is used to protect other constitutional rights for yourself and other Americans? Got my point?

By prosecuting him, the US is saying that you do not have a right to protect your constitutional rights. That is some pretty serious stuff right there.... That is the Tyranny and a punishable offense. The government was wrong here, no way around that one.

Just something I just read that I found interesting... Did you know that a civil war can be fought without any violence and you can't be charged with treason? How about that? You learn something new every day.

reply to post by elouina

He is a brave man. He gave up a 200k job in Hawaii and a hot fiancé to reveal this information. And, think about this. If the feds want to arrest him, he is right. If he was lying, they wouldn't go after him. Just sayin'.

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