UFOlogy a joke again?

The method of achieving a perceived reduction in the mass of a body within a craft powered by the Tesla type generators,is that the very high voltages produced(in the tens of millions-but encased within a vacuum tube to protect any occupants) create an auxiliary internal gravitational field which acts upon the body(say a human weighing 90 KG)thereby dramatically negating the effects of the earth's gravity upon the human occupant,essentially "tricking" the Earth's gravitational field into perceiving the body as weighing only 10% of that it would experience whilst under the sole influence of the Earth.Thereby allowing the body to tolerate higher g forces and acceleration than at it's original,i.e Earth's gravitational field influenced state.

edit on 17-6-2013 by nake13 because: .

Are you saying this out of knowledge or suppostion?

In what way does a strong electric field interact gravitationally, other than through the ordinary mass-energy tensor, in which case even a very strong voltage by engineering standards has an utterly infinitesimal gravitational effect---and besides it would be attractive, being roughly like a mass of equivalent mass-energy to the energy contained in the electric field.

I don't believe any of the "Townsend Brown" stuff because I've never seen any good experimental replication.

Astrophysical phenomena exhibit extremely strong electric and magnetic fields far higher than anything which can be made on Earth, why haven't we noticed a gravitational effect?

Originally posted by mbkennel

The method of achieving a perceived reduction in the mass of a body within a craft powered by the Tesla type generators,is that the very high voltages produced(in the tens of millions-but encased within a vacuum tube to protect any occupants) create an auxiliary internal gravitational field which acts upon the body(say a human weighing 90 KG)thereby dramatically negating the effects of the earth's gravity upon the human occupant,essentially "tricking" the Earth's gravitational field into perceiving the body as weighing only 10% of that it would experience whilst under the sole influence of the Earth.Thereby allowing the body to tolerate higher g forces and acceleration than at it's original,i.e Earth's gravitational field influenced state.

edit on 17-6-2013 by nake13 because: .

Are you saying this out of knowledge or suppostion?

In what way does a strong electric field interact gravitationally, other than through the ordinary mass-energy tensor, in which case even a very strong voltage by engineering standards has an utterly infinitesimal gravitational effect---and besides it would be attractive, being roughly like a mass of equivalent mass-energy to the energy contained in the electric field.

I don't believe any of the "Townsend Brown" stuff because I've never seen any good experimental replication.

Astrophysical phenomena exhibit extremely strong electric and magnetic fields far higher than anything which can be made on Earth, why haven't we noticed a gravitational effect?

edit on 18-6-2013 by mbkennel because: (no reason given)

I also have a problem with the Townsend Brown principal,prefering to examine the principals espoused by Tesla and Schauberger and to an extent Miethe,the effects of the high voltages generated by a Tesla coil type system,does not act upon the Earth's gravitational field,rather it acts upon a body contained within a craft where the high voltages generated by a Tesla type system affect the body in relation to the reference point which is the craft.

As you state.even immensely high voltages will not have a noticable effect upon the Earths gravitational field,however,the effect on the accompanying Electro magnetic field,which is produced in tandem with the gravity field(which one creates which is the obvious debatable issue) is marked enough to cause a fluctuation in the EMF by essentially negating certain wavelengths inherent in the electro magnetic field,thereby ostensibly weakening the effects of the electro magnetic force(and by association ,the gravitational forces) upon the body that is being subjected to these forces.

As the body is perceived as being at virtual unity with the electro magnetic force being generated it would assume the mass dictated by the field now enveloping the body thereby dramatically reducing the weight of the body in relation to it's mass.but only in reation to it's reference point i.e the craft in which it is travelling, the Earth's gravitational field will now act upon a mass that assumes a weight dictated by the craft's electro magnetic field.

P.S supposition (approx 70%) and by direct experimental knowledge (30%)

reply to post by JayinAR

Here is one problem I see. You can't just "break away" from Earth's gravity and zip from A to B in any sort of relative way as it applies to being observed on the ground. What would actually happen is the craft would b line straight up at 300 times the speed of sound. This makes zero sense.

What he is talking about turning off gravity is not likely. But first OK lets say you turn off gravity, or have an engine which could somehow ignore or break free of earths gravity or the sun or for that matter the solar systems. What would happen?

It would not be pretty that's for sure, no material known to man or in existence really would be able to withstand that effect, I mean lets see just getting numbers from a random site.
howstuffworks.com

The earth spins 1,037 MPH or something like that according to the site, and it goes around the sun about 66,666 MPH, and of which the whole time the entire solar system sun planets and all are constantly moving around the center of the galactic core something like 420,000 MPH. And whats more our whole galaxy is always on the move as well to the tune of 2,237,000 MPH.

So what would happen if your in a craft that just managed to turn off the centrifugal force of gravity? Your in effect not achieving movement you are already in motion even though you do not know it or feel it, what you are achieving with the kind of engine he purposes is no movement what so ever. Completely cutting yourself and craft completely out of the rollercoaster ride known as the gravity of this not only planet and not only sun, and solar system but the whole dam galaxy. In which case you would be flung in any given direction at any of the speeds above....Um so ya, unless you got a way to steer and direct its just as likely that you will be flung at thousands of of miles per hour suddenly toward the ground completely incinerating yourself but also causing one big booom.

And like the op said about how the Nazi bell which somehow was able to turn off gravity which had to be tied to the ground so it will not fly into the air. Well considering the earth is constantly spinning and not only that but going around the sun at crazy speeds, they would have to have some adamantium cables to that thing to keep it tied down if it somehow lost its gravity, and it would not definitely be floating like a balloon in the air it would probably be swinging wildly in every direction depending on the movements of the celestial bodies, but most likely it would be crushed into a can when it hits the ground.

So ya! turning off gravity is not a good way of traveling and staying alive, even light can not eventually escape gravity. But there may be ways like the op said were you can manipulate the whole centrifugal forces and electromagnetic and possibly use mass manipulation ie the planets mass in comparison to your craft and electromagnetic forces to sort of skip your ship around or to trick or find loopholes in those forces directing and constantly pulling you around. If you look at the model of the solar system it is basically a perpetual machine, one which the cogs are the sun and the planets, at the most you may be able to find or do something in riding those waves or in controlling them, but definitely not turning gravity off. That would not be good even if you could achieve it. In fact our space rockets do the same sort of thing already when they reach orbit, they swing around the earth or the moon and use there centrifugal force to fling themselves into there orbited paths.

In a way it kind of makes sense if UFO were created by the military or whoever why they are the shape they are and more importantly why they are the size they are, the majority of them which were described were not exactly huge crafts, there whole shape and design does indicate that if they existed they would be basically using some sort of gyroscope type engine mixed with electrical field manipulations, to perpetuate itself somehow through the atmosphere and keep itself in motion even levitating. I mean there are tricks in manipulating gravity to certain degrees, I do not think that what the op is sort of talking about would be completely impossible or out of this realm. Some of them are really quite simple things, like this gyroscope now if you had something like that which basically is tied to and engine and is kind of the entire ship, who knows maybe you could achieve flight. Or it seems the military thought so to at least put funding in it.


But it would be like that one time in futurama were profesor fonsworth explains to fry that his ship does not move around the galaxy, his ship moves the galaxy around it.