This is the Wikpedia definition of slavery, Sadly its the description on many people trapped in the

Wikpedia definition of slavery is too close to today's society!

Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property to be bought and sold, and are forced to work.[1] Slaves can be held against their will from the time of their capture, purchase or birth, and deprived of the right to leave, to refuse to work, or to demand compensation. Historically, slavery was institutionally recognized by many societies; in more recent times slavery has been outlawed in most societies but continues through the practices of debt bondage, indentured servitude, serfdom, domestic servants kept in captivity, certain adoptions in which children are forced to work as slaves, child soldiers, and forced marriage.[2] Slavery is illegal in every country in the world, but there are still an estimated 27 million slaves worldwide; some opponents are hopeful that slavery can be eradicated by 2042.[3] Slavery predates written records and has existed in many cultures.[4] The number of slaves today remains as high as 12 million[5] to 27 million.[6][7] Most are debt slaves, largely in South Asia, who are under debt bondage incurred by lenders, sometimes even for generations.[8] Human trafficking is primarily used for forcing women and children into sex industries.[9] In pre-industrial societies, slaves and their labour were economically extremely important to those who benefitted from them. ........."

Yikes! if this is the definition of slavery.. then we all must be slaves... WAIT A MINUTE! ARE WE SLAVES TO THE "NEW WORLD ORDER?" If so, then Wikpedia need to change the numbers to reflect most of the "free world"

I am tired of this bondage... are any of you?

I think the issue is the "forced to work" idea, we are victims of our own slavery in the 21st century. We feel we need TV's, computers, phones and so on, the truth is those are benefits of the slavery we accept that stretch far beyond what we are subjected to ourselves. I will never claim to be a slave when I no the real physical and mental abuse people go through, however we are slaves to consumer society. We chose to be slaves, I would not say we are forced.

I think the working people myself included, are slaves. I work to acquire federal reserve notes. Not that I care for these so called "notes" but where I come from you have to serve to survive. The thing that sucks about those notes is that no matter how much I serve, the notes are worth less and less. I don't even want to talk about how the ones who hold the most notes, seem to be the ones crying broke the loudest. I feel like a slave everyday, the good thing is that no one whips me.
Well I have been stop and frisked before by other slaves. House slaves with a better pension.

People just don't think they are property. We have to fight each other for jobs that offer little chunks of change to feed or family's. You have a job but the next man is still looking. No other way to get reserve notes without doing something wrong for people with no other way to feed their family.

Im tired of being a slave but like I said above, serve to survive for me and my family. I been working since 16 and Just past 30 and still have like 25 more years to go.

G-d willing time can go fast, or the world ends. lol

reply to post by voudon


This is true, our debt system is a system of voluntary slavery. However, they have structured the system in such a way that it is so difficult to live without debt, that most people by the age of 20 have incurred about $5000 of debt.

Thankfully debtors prisons have been abolished and you can't be sent to prison for accrued debt. Unless of course the acquirement of said debt was to purposely defraud the system for your gain. (funny how bankers are allowed to do that though)

So at any point we can wipe our debt and start a new.

That process and that change is so hard for so many that are tied to material wealth that they cannot see the change happen. Nor can they live without the status fiat money and material items bring them.

It's a sad world, but I believe it will change in the future.

reply to post by bluestar.ranch


An an Apple grows for free. I have to work and buy said apple because there's no way i'm getting an apple for free.
It works for every thing that grows in the ground. You have to buy it. Wanna grow your own food? You need a lot of cash for that.

Originally posted by Sovaka
reply to post by voudon

 

This is true, our debt system is a system of voluntary slavery. However, they have structured the system in such a way that it is so difficult to live without debt, that most people by the age of 20 have incurred about $5000 of debt.

Thankfully debtors prisons have been abolished and you can't be sent to prison for accrued debt. Unless of course the acquirement of said debt was to purposely defraud the system for your gain. (funny how bankers are allowed to do that though)

So at any point we can wipe our debt and start a new.

That process and that change is so hard for so many that are tied to material wealth that they cannot see the change happen. Nor can they live without the status fiat money and material items bring them.

It's a sad world, but I believe it will change in the future.

As a student I myself am in debt to the system, I understand the perspective totally. I just feel that at any time I could leave and never look back, I chose to stay here because I have tech, internet, a voice and so on. The average slave has none of those, they are a fish out of water and therefore as a lower-middle class Westerner I have no right to deem myself a slave. Remember even the wealthiest or royalty could be considered slaves to their own greed, my definition of slavery is without choice they act upon anthers will. Until I lack choice I am no slave, on the contrary it is within there interests to have you believe you are their slave.

Originally posted by voudon
I think the issue is the "forced to work" idea, we are victims of our own slavery in the 21st century. We feel we need TV's, computers, phones and so on, the truth is those are benefits of the slavery we accept that stretch far beyond what we are subjected to ourselves. I will never claim to be a slave when I no the real physical and mental abuse people go through, however we are slaves to consumer society. We chose to be slaves, I would not say we are forced.

I'm not materialistic, never have been. I'm not driven by money or the desire for money BUT I find myself in a system where I am essentially forced to work every day to earn money I don't want, to pay bills I don't wish to pay to live in a house that I don't want to live in and yet, if I try to live a "free" lifestyle, I would be considered a vagrant and arrested, or arrested for hunting to try and feed myself.

I am essentially forced into a lifestyle I don't wish for.

reply to post by Prisoner60863


Actually you are wrong... Many heirloom seed sellers can sell you a complete self sufficient seed pack for about $200 - $300. This seed pack on its own will last you at least 5 years.
Couple in seed saving from your crops and that initial outlay has set you up for life.
All you need is time, water and somewhere to plant them.

The only reason you pay for the apple, is because a farmer or farm hand has taken time to pick it, pack it and transport it. All of which take man power, time and fuel... not to mention physical toll on machinery if any were used.

All these costs are factored into the selling of the product.

reply to post by Sovaka


I don't feel I am wrong only because sure seeds are cheap but land sure is not cheap. No one can just decide to start a garden on private land. You cant just say you need food.

reply to post by voudon


Technically you are wrong... you have distractions and you only think you have a voice.
You can't honestly tell me you think your "vote" counts (at least that's what I interpret your 'voice' was a reference for).
The whole system is a matrix of illusions in the metaphorical sense to prevent you from seeing the actual machine.

At least you have an avenue to see this foggy outline of control and recognize it. Whether you fully realize it or not, you are a modern slave and have little recourse verse your masters than the slaves of old.

That being said, we have the option to opt-out of this system and produce for ourselves and our loved ones. If that's what you want of course, many people accept our slavery system and are comfortable living in it.

Originally posted by Mister_Bit

Originally posted by voudon
I think the issue is the "forced to work" idea, we are victims of our own slavery in the 21st century. We feel we need TV's, computers, phones and so on, the truth is those are benefits of the slavery we accept that stretch far beyond what we are subjected to ourselves. I will never claim to be a slave when I no the real physical and mental abuse people go through, however we are slaves to consumer society. We chose to be slaves, I would not say we are forced.

I'm not materialistic, never have been. I'm not driven by money or the desire for money BUT I find myself in a system where I am essentially forced to work every day to earn money I don't want, to pay bills I don't wish to pay to live in a house that I don't want to live in and yet, if I try to live a "free" lifestyle, I would be considered a vagrant and arrested, or arrested for hunting to try and feed myself.

I am essentially forced into a lifestyle I don't wish for.

You are forced to a certain degree granted, for most the force is up for debate however. The electrical components that are required to build computers, phones and other electronics are often sourced from third world mining operations which I consider a true source of slavery. The system is set up that you are at a disadvantage without the internet, but do you need it?

I do accept that we are used, abused and conditioned but I would rather reserve the term 'slave' for those that suffer beyond comprehension. If we can afford to purchase Western internet every month while maintaining food there is a discernible difference.

reply to post by Prisoner60863


Actually you can if approach the owner of the vacant land and work out a trade. You grow produce on it for your needs and they get some of that produce for use of the land.
Alternatively, you can produce yourself on rented land that would be the 'yard' of the place you rent to live. There are always options for those who look for them.
You will not see what is available to you if you aren't looking or just hoping something will be handed to you.

:ETA:
No you just don't need food... but others need food and would probably be willing to part with items you need for food you don't. Trade for what you need with what you don't need. You'd be surprised how open people are to trade/barter just for the asking.

reply to post by voudon


Not really as your argument is of perspective only.
We can afford internet and food because we work 38+ hours per week.

Now we compare to old time slavery...
A slave would be given room and board for hours worked in the field or in what ever capacity the master required. Slaves were generally well looked after as long as they did the masters bidding. Because without good healthy slaves, the masters estate wouldn't get tended to and the master wouldn't get fed.

Now compare to modern life...
A debt slave works to feed himself and his family and to provide modern comforts.
In this process, not only do they still do the work of the masters. and make the world go round, they also give a great portion of their "own" money in taxes. What ever is left then goes to paying of debt then into food and comforts.

So the masters have now received double the rewards by only changing the perception of slavery.

reply to post by Sovaka


Renting land is short term and still requires money. what about feeding your family for a lifetime? Lets say the "owner" of a vacant lot of land agrees to lend me his land, the owner still had to use to cash to get that property. Even then that works for a few people, what about the next starving family who cant find work? Serve to survive

reply to post by Prisoner60863


Not at all, you're thinking too short term.

In the time that you produce for you, your family and the land owner, you'll still produce excess.
Through this excess you can sell for fiat money in the debt slavery system.
You can also sell your experience to those that wish to follow if you want.

After time, you'd have either enough fiat money or friends or both, that you'd be able to buy a small plot of land.
Or at the very least, have an endless supply of land for growing.
But on average, you'd have a small sum of money to go in with these new like minded friends to co-bug some land.

There are options for every person, all you need to do is figure out what you truly want and look.

As for the next person... It is up to them to remain in the system or not.
If they wish to remove themselves, they just need follow your steps or approach you for a leg up.

It all comes down to willpower and ingenuity to make it happen.
The information is out there free to all.

:ETA:
In regards to the owner of the land still needing money to pay for it...That is on him and nothing to do with your arrangement with him. Obviously his arrangement with you would have already taken that into consideration.

Originally posted by Sovaka
reply to post by voudon

 

Not really as your argument is of perspective only.
We can afford internet and food because we work 38+ hours per week.

Now we compare to old time slavery...
A slave would be given room and board for hours worked in the field or in what ever capacity the master required. Slaves were generally well looked after as long as they did the masters bidding. Because without good healthy slaves, the masters estate wouldn't get tended to and the master wouldn't get fed.

Now compare to modern life...
A debt slave works to feed himself and his family and to provide modern comforts.
In this process, not only do they still do the work of the masters. and make the world go round, they also give a great portion of their "own" money in taxes. What ever is left then goes to paying of debt then into food and comforts.

So the masters have now received double the rewards by only changing the perception of slavery.

I never thought slavery like that.. you are right! the slaves had it BETTER than we do! (not sarcasm) Lately if you add police searches, beatings, and CPS removing kids from families for unproven reasons...People we ARE slaves.. maybe some of us are just realizing it and starting to speak up about it?

What did the SLAVES do to get out of bondage? Let's think about this.....They got freedom papers after new laws were passed (maybe a new republic and constitution?)

reply to post by bluestar.ranch

I do not know why I am saying this but, suppose that some one says in a poetry that " enslaved to your (God's) love, from both world I am free"
what's your viewpoint about this.

Originally posted by voudon
I think the issue is the "forced to work" idea, we are victims of our own slavery in the 21st century. We feel we need TV's, computers, phones and so on, the truth is those are benefits of the slavery we accept that stretch far beyond what we are subjected to ourselves. I will never claim to be a slave when I no the real physical and mental abuse people go through, however we are slaves to consumer society. We chose to be slaves, I would not say we are forced.

Exactly right. Americans in the 21st Century are victims of themselves, and their own arrogance, especially when it comes to consumerism.

In the 1960's, the USA started shifting from being a country that made things to a country that consumed things that others make.

Originally posted by Prisoner60863
reply to post by bluestar.ranch

 

An an Apple grows for free. I have to work and buy said apple because there's no way i'm getting an apple for free.
It works for every thing that grows in the ground. You have to buy it. Wanna grow your own food? You need a lot of cash for that.

An apple doesn't grow for free. It needs planting, pesticides, nurturing from the orchardist, quality control, transport to market.

And you can still buy an apple for less than $1.

Originally posted by Prisoner60863
I think the working people myself included, are slaves. I work to acquire federal reserve notes. Not that I care for these so called "notes" but where I come from you have to serve to survive. The thing that sucks about those notes is that no matter how much I serve, the notes are worth less and less. I don't even want to talk about how the ones who hold the most notes, seem to be the ones crying broke the loudest. I feel like a slave everyday, the good thing is that no one whips me.
Well I have been stop and frisked before by other slaves. House slaves with a better pension.

People just don't think they are property. We have to fight each other for jobs that offer little chunks of change to feed or family's. You have a job but the next man is still looking. No other way to get reserve notes without doing something wrong for people with no other way to feed their family.

Im tired of being a slave but like I said above, serve to survive for me and my family. I been working since 16 and Just past 30 and still have like 25 more years to go.

G-d willing time can go fast, or the world ends. lol

If you're only 30 and think you only have 25 years to go to retirement, then start saving immediately.

It's likely in 25 years, retirement age will be somewhere around 70 - 80, not 55.