Water baptism

reply to post by Cuervo


I must admit i have an unfair advantage into the nature of the spiritual realm and that does not do you any good in understanding what we are dealing with. Something bigger than you and i and our deities comes this way. This planet has already been wiped out by it's owner once and he is returning now. What i know is that everyone and everything here is under his rule and no religion can ever bridge the gap between our realm and the spirit realm and everything on this side seems unjust. soon the reflection will flip and the mortal world will be full of matured faithful peaceful souls. Those deities we know will stop at nothing to clinch their spot even if that means deceiving those that do not submit to our creator. When Jesus died on the cross he gained full control of the spirit realm and those on that side submit to him. Before that they believed that they could win the battle. We are being refined.

reply to post by deadeyedick


" Oppression does not quite fit what happens next try destruction."

I see. So you worship a childish and destructive god. I'm sorry for you, that you haven't realized how much better you can do. You don't need that god. He has nothing to offer you that you cannot give yourself.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


Right now childish is a decent way to describe him but you seem to believe that we have no order to that realm and all of them are equal and that is not the case because there many different levels of growth that GOD'S kingdom.

reply to post by deadeyedick


I believe that we are our own masters. We do not need gods to be happy and fruitful. But if we did shave to have a god, yours isn't the one I would choose. He has not proven himself worthy as a leader for he does not respect the people he leads.

Be like WATER - Empty your mind

What they have hidden from us behind controlling smiting religions is we work on our flaws here and progress, try to improve and some reincarnate often.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by deadeyedick

 

I believe that we are our own masters. We do not need gods to be happy and fruitful. But if we did have to have a god, yours isn't the one I would choose. He has not proven himself worthy as a leader for he does not respect the people he leads.

I would be happy If God appeared with a Coca-cola bottle and bunch of beads to trade and some loose horses I could breed (eventually) Goats as well on we Islander atolls. Maybe a sandbarred ship of the line. Some clothing of the European Styling circa 1460 (before the major diseases were invented.). There is no God if we dont invent it for itself, for ourselves (implausable and ridiculous).

Jesus explained water baptism in John 3 and read further in John 3, verse 22, He and the Apostles went out and BAPTIZED.

Where is the "water" in excepting one time, Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior? Calling this "born again" is so misleading, more, it is wrong. It maybe a moment of conversion but is not as Jesus explained to Nicodemus.

Water Baptism is required, it takes away Original Sin. You receive God's presence in your soul. The only thing that can remove God's presence, His grace after Water Baptism is mortal sin.

The Early Church Fathers agree, "born again" is the term Jesus used for Water Baptism.

reply to post by colbe


Well that is the word that is givin but we do know that there are mysteries in the word and i have no ground to stand on and try to disprove anything written. I do know that all these mysteries will be unveiled in some way in the end. There is one major point i see in this debate and that is if anyone has seen a religious leader assist in someone giving their life having faith that Jesus will restore them. Many people die in the name of Christ and some even give their lives to save others in his name but none have done what i speak of in modern times. we of little faith and much love for the flesh will not know of these mysteries until it is too late. Jesus was the master of the connection that ties us to the spirit world.

Originally posted by deadeyedick
reply to post by colbe

 

Well that is the word that is givin but we do know that there are mysteries in the word and i have no ground to stand on and try to disprove anything written. I do know that all these mysteries will be unveiled in some way in the end. There is one major point i see in this debate and that is if anyone has seen a religious leader assist in someone giving their life having faith that Jesus will restore them. Many people die in the name of Christ and some even give their lives to save others in his name but none have done what i speak of in modern times. we of little faith and much love for the flesh will not know of these mysteries until it is too late. Jesus was the master of the connection that ties us to the spirit world.

ded, hi,

Well one thing, their are martyrs today, as example in Syria, Christians dying for the faith right now.

It is good to have a devotion to prophecy. The Church isn't definitive on absolutely every verse in the book of Revelation. There ARE mysteries BUT God reveals more through His messengers. And older messages given some of the saints match modern prophecy. God would do this, He speaks to every generation.

I underlined your words, if we could just convince all the doubters, disbelievers at ATS. Keep praying, God's grace through our prayers for conversion will work on them.


God bless you,


colbe

reply to post by colbe

I underlined your words, if we could just convince all the doubters, disbelievers at ATS. Keep praying, God's grace through our prayers for conversion will work on them.

I don't want you to convince me. I want your god to walk up to me in the middle of the street, introduce himself, shake my hand, and invite me for a coffee so that we could have a good long chat about the way he's treated the world and myself in particular. When he has the decency to approach me on my level, then I will recognize him according to his nature and his character.

HOWEVER! I will not recognize him as my master. I require no master other than myself. Nor will he have my soul until he has earned it.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by colbe

 

I underlined your words, if we could just convince all the doubters, disbelievers at ATS. Keep praying, God's grace through our prayers for conversion will work on them.

I don't want you to convince me. I want your god to walk up to me in the middle of the street, introduce himself, shake my hand, and invite me for a coffee so that we could have a good long chat about the way he's treated the world and myself in particular. When he has the decency to approach me on my level, then I will recognize him according to his nature and his character.

HOWEVER! I will not recognize him as my master. I require no master other than myself. Nor will he have my soul until he has earned it.

Thank you too, I like when we all can talk, no personal taunts or negative.

AfterInfinity,

Wait a second and not to correct, your "soul" isn't exactly your soul. I'll say it a thousand times, God love
you first. He created you. Your soul belongs to Him. Your cute sentence kinda turns it around as if you
are the creator...seee?

It is going to happen soon, as the messages say, God is going to walk up to you and personally show you
your entire life, this is the prophesied "awakening", Catholics know it as the Great Warning.

Remember, how Scripture says once you confess your sins, Jesus forgets them. Well, prophecy says,
we (the entire world), will not feel the spiritual pain of seeing CONFESSED sins during our NDE like life review
in the coming Great Warning. It is the UNCONFESSED sins we see that will hurt.

Make a regular from the heart confession of your mortal sins to God from now on... to prepare for the day of
the Great Waring. And second, get a daily prayer life if you do not have one. 10 minutes a day even....



God bless you AI,


colbe

Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by colbe

 

I underlined your words, if we could just convince all the doubters, disbelievers at ATS. Keep praying, God's grace through our prayers for conversion will work on them.

I don't want you to convince me. I want your god to walk up to me in the middle of the street, introduce himself, shake my hand, and invite me for a coffee so that we could have a good long chat about the way he's treated the world and myself in particular. When he has the decency to approach me on my level, then I will recognize him according to his nature and his character.

HOWEVER! I will not recognize him as my master. I require no master other than myself. Nor will he have my soul until he has earned it.

Thank you too, I like when we all can talk, no personal taunts or negative.

AfterInfinity,

Wait a second and not to correct, your "soul" isn't exactly your soul. I'll say it a thousand times, God love
you first. He created you. Your soul belongs to Him. Your cute sentence kinda turns it around as if you
are the creator...seee?

It is going to happen soon, as the messages say, God is going to walk up to you and personally show you
your entire life, this is the prophesied "awakening", Catholics know it as the Great Warning.

Remember, how Scripture says once you confess your sins, Jesus forgets them. Well, prophecy says,
we (the entire world), will not feel the spiritual pain of seeing CONFESSED sins during our NDE like life review
in the coming Great Warning. It is the UNCONFESSED sins we see that will hurt.

Make a regular from the heart confession of your mortal sins to God from now on... to prepare for the day of
the Great Waring. And second, get a daily prayer life if you do not have one. 10 minutes a day even....



God bless you AI,


colbe

Tee hee... I should of used another word, I said: "Wait a second and not to correct,"....

I meant ..."Wait a second and not to ARGUE"


colbe

reply to post by colbe

Wait a second and not to correct, your "soul" isn't exactly your soul. I'll say it a thousand times, God love
you first. He created you. Your soul belongs to Him. Your cute sentence kinda turns it around as if you
are the creator...seee?

No. My soul belongs to no one but me. I'll destroy it myself before I see it go to waste. I don't care who created it, no one knows my soul better than I do. If anyone deserves the rights to it, it's me. And I will choose its fate. My fate. Because my soul is me. No one owns me. I belong to no one. End of story.

Remember, how Scripture says once you confess your sins, Jesus forgets them. Well, prophecy says,
we (the entire world), will not feel the spiritual pain of seeing CONFESSED sins during our NDE like life review
in the coming Great Warning. It is the UNCONFESSED sins we see that will hurt.

No one need forgive me but me. I don't want Jesus to forgive me. I don't want any god to forgive me. They created me, they are responsible for me, they are just as guilty as I am. I'll ask for their forgiveness just as soon as they ask for mine. But they won't, will they? Because even as they preach humility, they practice arrogance. They will never ever consider that perhaps they might have been in the wrong at any point during their adventures, will they?

So be it. I don't want their forgiveness. I will do good as I know how, and if they don't like it, then I'll gladly give them the middle finger as I am escorted to the gates of hell. As an atheist, I'm not too worried. I'll take what comes to me.

Make a regular from the heart confession of your mortal sins to God from now on... to prepare for the day of
the Great Waring. And second, get a daily prayer life if you do not have one. 10 minutes a day even....

I don't pray. I act. If I want to pray about or for something, I get up and I do something about it instead. Prayer is a waste of time when we could all be putting actions to our words. Venerate or worship as you work. That's true dedication and sincerity.

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by colbe

 

Wait a second and not to correct, your "soul" isn't exactly your soul. I'll say it a thousand times, God love
you first. He created you. Your soul belongs to Him. Your cute sentence kinda turns it around as if you
are the creator...seee?

No. My soul belongs to no one but me. I'll destroy it myself before I see it go to waste. I don't care who created it, no one knows my soul better than I do. If anyone deserves the rights to it, it's me. And I will choose its fate. My fate. Because my soul is me. No one owns me. I belong to no one. End of story.

Remember, how Scripture says once you confess your sins, Jesus forgets them. Well, prophecy says,
we (the entire world), will not feel the spiritual pain of seeing CONFESSED sins during our NDE like life review
in the coming Great Warning. It is the UNCONFESSED sins we see that will hurt.

No one need forgive me but me. I don't want Jesus to forgive me. I don't want any god to forgive me. They created me, they are responsible for me, they are just as guilty as I am. I'll ask for their forgiveness just as soon as they ask for mine. But they won't, will they? Because even as they preach humility, they practice arrogance. They will never ever consider that perhaps they might have been in the wrong at any point during their adventures, will they?

So be it. I don't want their forgiveness. I will do good as I know how, and if they don't like it, then I'll gladly give them the middle finger as I am escorted to the gates of hell. As an atheist, I'm not too worried. I'll take what comes to me.

Make a regular from the heart confession of your mortal sins to God from now on... to prepare for the day of
the Great Waring. And second, get a daily prayer life if you do not have one. 10 minutes a day even....

I don't pray. I act. If I want to pray about or for something, I get up and I do something about it instead. Prayer is a waste of time when we could all be putting actions to our words. Venerate or worship as you work. That's true dedication and sincerity.

Whenever I pray, I feel better, I have hope. I feel closer to God and with the different types of prayer, the prayer of intercession, I know I am helping God who I love very much.

I don't know what to say to you AfterInfinity.


love,

colbe

Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by colbe

 

I underlined your words, if we could just convince all the doubters, disbelievers at ATS. Keep praying, God's grace through our prayers for conversion will work on them.

I don't want you to convince me. I want your god to walk up to me in the middle of the street, introduce himself, shake my hand, and invite me for a coffee so that we could have a good long chat about the way he's treated the world and myself in particular. When he has the decency to approach me on my level, then I will recognize him according to his nature and his character.

HOWEVER! I will not recognize him as my master. I require no master other than myself. Nor will he have my soul until he has earned it.

Thank you too, I like when we all can talk, no personal taunts or negative.

AfterInfinity,

Wait a second and not to correct, your "soul" isn't exactly your soul. I'll say it a thousand times, God love
you first. He created you. Your soul belongs to Him. Your cute sentence kinda turns it around as if you
are the creator...seee? It is going to happen soon, as the messages say, God is going to walk up to you and personally show you your entire life, this is the prophesied "awakening", Catholics know it as the Great Warning. Remember, how Scripture says once you confess your sins, Jesus forgets them. Well, prophecy says, we (the entire world), will not feel the spiritual pain of seeing CONFESSED sins during our NDE like life review in the coming Great Warning. It is the UNCONFESSED sins we see that will hurt.

Make a regular from the heart confession of your mortal sins to God from now on... to prepare for the day of
the Great Waring. And second, get a daily prayer life if you do not have one. 10 minutes a day even....
God bless you AI,

My soul is not MINE? you mean this has all been a shill-dome? All along I am being puppet-mastered? REALLY REASONABLY? No. I created God, I am its expression. MY soul belongs to NO ONE but MYSELF indiscriminately/SELF determined. I challenge God to come and take my soul from me NOW, CHALLENGE IT as I OWN ME GOD DOES NOT as we agree as compliciant Bretheren SAME BEING. Jesus cannot remember any sins because NUMBER ONE, He has NO CLUE as to the BIBLE AND WHAT it purports to say New Testiment, (he did not write it or READ IT). You are of the sort to Placate and condesend to OTHERS? Thats daring.

Originally posted by vethumanbeing

Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by colbe

 

I underlined your words, if we could just convince all the doubters, disbelievers at ATS. Keep praying, God's grace through our prayers for conversion will work on them.

I don't want you to convince me. I want your god to walk up to me in the middle of the street, introduce himself, shake my hand, and invite me for a coffee so that we could have a good long chat about the way he's treated the world and myself in particular. When he has the decency to approach me on my level, then I will recognize him according to his nature and his character.

HOWEVER! I will not recognize him as my master. I require no master other than myself. Nor will he have my soul until he has earned it.

Thank you too, I like when we all can talk, no personal taunts or negative.

AfterInfinity,

Wait a second and not to correct, your "soul" isn't exactly your soul. I'll say it a thousand times, God love
you first. He created you. Your soul belongs to Him. Your cute sentence kinda turns it around as if you
are the creator...seee? It is going to happen soon, as the messages say, God is going to walk up to you and personally show you your entire life, this is the prophesied "awakening", Catholics know it as the Great Warning. Remember, how Scripture says once you confess your sins, Jesus forgets them. Well, prophecy says, we (the entire world), will not feel the spiritual pain of seeing CONFESSED sins during our NDE like life review in the coming Great Warning. It is the UNCONFESSED sins we see that will hurt.

Make a regular from the heart confession of your mortal sins to God from now on... to prepare for the day of
the Great Waring. And second, get a daily prayer life if you do not have one. 10 minutes a day even....
God bless you AI,

My soul is not MINE? you mean this has all been a shill-dome? All along I am being puppet-mastered? REALLY REASONABLY? No. I created God, I am its expression. MY soul belongs to NO ONE but MYSELF indiscriminately/SELF determined. I challenge God to come and take my soul from me NOW, CHALLENGE IT as I OWN ME GOD DOES NOT as we agree as compliciant Bretheren SAME BEING. Jesus cannot remember any sins because NUMBER ONE, He has NO CLUE as to the BIBLE AND WHAT it purports to say New Testiment, (he did not write it or READ IT). You are of the sort to Placate and condesend to OTHERS? Thats daring.

edit on 10-6-2013 by vethumanbeing because: (no reason given)

If you make a work of art, it's yours. An example. God made you, He is the creator. You didn't make yourself, you belong to Him. Why wouldn't you want to? He is perfectly good and loving. If you didn't have the gift of free will you would be a "puppet."

On another subject, the strong desire to believe Martin Luther's heresy of "faith alone." It came from Martin's
head not God. Non-Catholic Christians actually believe "faith" makes you do a good, a work. No it doesn't Free
will choice is involved. Faith helps you but you must always decide. Mentioned this because if you follow the Protestant way of thinking...you would be a "puppet."

reply to post by colbe

If you make a work of art, it's yours. An example. God made you, He is the creator.

1) Prove that your god created my soul. Without using scripture that relies upon itself as evidence.

2) If he created my soul, then he can and should be held equally responsible for every sin I commit, for he presented me with the opportunity and programmed me with the inclination. He knew ahead of time what I would do and why, and he gave me the reason and the opportunity. Interestingly, it can be argued that he actually engineered every sin ever committed in this world. Otherwise, it would imply that he is not in complete and utter control of his creations. But we can't have that sort of rumor going 'round, can we?

3) I am a sentient being. Sentient beings are not owned. Sentient beings are born with the right to freedom, and freedom includes self-possession. Any sentient being is the sole master of their own being and the sole accountant of their own personal actions.

4) It is one thing to give me a skateboard and allow me to hurt myself making mistakes with it. That is a learning process that is necessary for development. It is another matter entirely to punish me every time I bruise my knee, as it discourages mistakes and curbs the curiosity. But is that the goal? To fence us in so we never have the opportunity to learn the truth? Hmm, I wonder...

You didn't make yourself, you belong to Him. Why wouldn't you want to? He is perfectly good and loving. If you didn't have the gift of free will you would be a "puppet."

Then in accordance with my free will, I choose to serve no god. I choose to ally myself with no god. I choose to recognize no god. And I will continue to reject all gods until one decides to play on my level. When I have sufficient reason to both recognize and support a god, I will consider it. Until then, I offer my middle finger with the utmost sincerity in response to the consideration I myself have received from such higher powers.

In all actuality, I would much rather be an oblivious puppet with no consciousness whatsoever than have free will and be told how to use it.

reply to post by AfterInfinity


The proof you demand will come to you soon but it seems it will be during judgement. It takes faith to accept what is coming. You are a drop of water in a sea and you are demanding proof that you came from the sky. The sky only wants those that have faith that they will rise out of the sea.

reply to post by deadeyedick

The proof you demand will come to you soon but it seems it will be during judgement. It takes faith to accept what is coming. You are a drop of water in a sea and you are demanding proof that you came from the sky. The sky only wants those that have faith that they will rise out of the sea.

None of what you said bears any weight for me. It's nice that you try so hard to make me believe without any reason to believe.

Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by vethumanbeing

Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by colbe

 

I underlined your words, if we could just convince all the doubters, disbelievers at ATS. Keep praying, God's grace through our prayers for conversion will work on them.

I don't want you to convince me. I want your god to walk up to me in the middle of the street, introduce himself, shake my hand, and invite me for a coffee so that we could have a good long chat about the way he's treated the world and myself in particular. When he has the decency to approach me on my level, then I will recognize him according to his nature and his character.

HOWEVER! I will not recognize him as my master. I require no master other than myself. Nor will he have my soul until he has earned it.

Thank you too, I like when we all can talk, no personal taunts or negative.

AfterInfinity,

Wait a second and not to correct, your "soul" isn't exactly your soul. I'll say it a thousand times, God love
you first. He created you. Your soul belongs to Him. Your cute sentence kinda turns it around as if you
are the creator...seee? It is going to happen soon, as the messages say, God is going to walk up to you and personally show you your entire life, this is the prophesied "awakening", Catholics know it as the Great Warning. Remember, how Scripture says once you confess your sins, Jesus forgets them. Well, prophecy says, we (the entire world), will not feel the spiritual pain of seeing CONFESSED sins during our NDE like life review in the coming Great Warning. It is the UNCONFESSED sins we see that will hurt.

Make a regular from the heart confession of your mortal sins to God from now on... to prepare for the day of
the Great Waring. And second, get a daily prayer life if you do not have one. 10 minutes a day even....
God bless you AI,

My soul is not MINE? you mean this has all been a shill-dome? All along I am being puppet-mastered? REALLY REASONABLY? No. I created God, I am its expression. MY soul belongs to NO ONE but MYSELF indiscriminately/SELF determined. I challenge God to come and take my soul from me NOW, CHALLENGE IT as I OWN ME GOD DOES NOT as we agree as compliciant Bretheren SAME BEING. Jesus cannot remember any sins because NUMBER ONE, He has NO CLUE as to the BIBLE AND WHAT it purports to say New Testiment, (he did not write it or READ IT). You are of the sort to Placate and condesend to OTHERS? Thats daring

[I]colbe
If you make a work of art, it's yours. An example. God made you, He is the creator. You didn't make yourself, you belong to Him. Why wouldn't you want to? He is perfectly good and loving. If you didn't have the gift of free will you would be a "puppet." On another subject, the strong desire to believe Martin Luther's heresy of "faith alone." It came from Martin's head not God. Non-Catholic Christians actually believe "faith" makes you do a good, a work. No it doesn't Freewill choice is involved. Faith helps you but you must always decide. Mentioned this because if you follow the Protestant way of thinking...you would be a "puppet."

I am not A protestant or having? or said I have any "thinking power". That would necessitate the WOODEN HEAD has a brain; as a puppet made by Giapetto, neglected to give me one (imaginary eventually like The Velveteen Rabbit). If I were truly one of Gods Own, I would not have to belong to one of the strong arms of organized Religion telling me the exact opposite of what I am. I have freewill to REGECT tenancy, does that make me an undesireble? NO that makes me a FREE THINKER that does not agree, NOT GOING TO HELL (actually, the firm believers in the organized will go into an abyss and what a wake up call that will be). Again may I ask, if Jesus's intent was not to ORGANISE never read a word of scripture (new testament) and thought Moses was a Crock, whom are we to believe and trust in: A God that refuses to show ITSELF provide us with its pantywaste Minion preachers that GUARANTEE heaven is just beyond our grasps IF ONLY IF ONLY we believe in it. SHAKEDOWN BLACKMAIL is how I see it; ridiculous.