Islam: What the West Needs to Know (full documentary)

reply to post by mekhanics


THANK YOU mekhanics! I wish this had appeared on page 1 -
I'm so confused right now I can't even hardly think about it - but I can't STOP thinking about it, either.

I will watch this tomorrow - still have more thinking to do, and it's a pretty Saturday afternoon here.
For now, I totally reserve judgment on it, just as I did with the OP vid.

I'm NO CLOSER than I was 3 days ago to understanding this mess - and I'm going back outside to continue with Jeremy Scahill's HORRIFYING story of government cover-ups, special ops with no accountability to Congress, and the stupid last decade of war. I'm not at all letting the US military off the hook. At this point, THEY are the most responsible for this debacle.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


I have been studying the hebrew roots of my christian faith
for over 2 years now.Salvation is to the jew first then the gentile.

Originally posted by WeRpeons

As far as I know, it's 72 virgins, all doe-eyed and willing.

reply to post by wildtimes

 

21 virgins is already overkill, 72 would kill you in the afterlife.

I think rabbits would die of a heart attack after mating with 10! It just shows the ignorance of the religion. Even if you were not a radical Islamic, I wouldn't want to be associated with such a religion. I would love to see the faces on these suicide bombers when they find out there are no virgins waiting for them at the gates of heaven. Only satin ready to shove 72 pineapples up their butt.

edit on 7-6-2013 by WeRpeons because: (no reason given)

Really eh, 72 VIRGINS, so they are motivated by some perversion to defile innocence in the afterlife and have no connection of any kind, because after number one, just move on to the next...

Completely unhealthy and really, almost pedophilish motivation there it sound to me..... just sick!

What would be a great prize if you were female???

Be a virgin again and then get defiled and ditched???

Makes NO sense!

Their heaven sounds like my HELL.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by mamabeth

 

You need to know that the demon-god of islam IS NOT
the same God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob!

Its funny how you have hebrew quotes in your signature.
I guess you would rather side with the group that calls Jesus a son of a whore. That speaks a lot about who are.
You pretend to be a "Christian" but in reality you are an anti-Christ. Shame on you. The same applies to all Christians.
Its clear that you would rather side with anti-Christian Jews more than Muslims who accept Jesus as Messiah.

Oh no they do not. Muhammed is the messiah in islam according to lots of muslims. Also the stuff they say aboutthe book nor being edited is easily disproved with a side by side comparison of a anchient qu ran and a modern one.

reply to post by andy06shake


An apostate is someone who renounces Islam

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


You Sir, as with all so called "Imams" and "Islamic Scholars", are intellectual cowards and purveyors of circular logic and/or misdirection.

I haven't watched the documentary you posted... but I've read the synopsis of it.

So in other words, you don't have too watch the video? Which I may point out, lays out "Islam for Dummies" in a very clear and straight forward way, using the Koran and Haidiths, Which I will also point out is the point of this thread. Debunk how they took the Koran out of context! Otherwise, have a nice steaming cup of STFU!!!!

I lived in Kuwait for three months....I have seen how Sharia law works...and I will not have it in my country! This is not about racism, this is about your so called religion. And I refuse to acknowledge a religion that say it's is perfectly acceptable to kill men, women, and children to forward the message of their God!!

I think I'm sorry you started this thread, wildtimes. I don't fault your original concept or goal, but rather the results which you couldn't forsee.

I will keep this in the first person for I know not how others took it. I saw the counter arguments as weak and evasive, even the lengthy one which was presented most recently in the thread, although that one was more in depth and serious.

I assume the Muslims on ATS are a reasonable sample of the Muslims I might run into on a daily basis. My impression has not been improved by their efforts.

I was hoping to find a willingness for peace. The proposed speech calling for peace by a hypothetical Muslim leader was brushed aside. The insistence that Muhammad is a model for all time does not speak well for peace chances as he ordered or participated in 100 raids, attacks, battles, and assasinations resulting in at least a thousand deaths and probably many more uncounted.
en.wikipedia.org...

My impression is that Muslims are uncertain of the validity of their faith at the intellectual level, and have become overly defensive, making conversation difficult. Of course, another possibility is, that as a rebuttal stated, there are over 200 sects of Islam, so one can find any belief that fits the situation and call that interpretation Islam.

I really want peace, understanding and reasonable discussion on this topic, despite what anyone might think. I just don't know where to find someone willing to do it.

reply to post by Malynn


How about you get this straight, refute the points made in the documentary about Koran stating it's perfectly acceptable to enslave and murder non-muslims!!! LOL!!!

reply to post by logical7


Answer a question with a question is evasion!!! Plain and simple!!! If it is so nonsense, then take the time, like everyone else did, watch the video, and debunk what is being said!!! It's your religion!!! If it was my religion and someone was misrepresenting it; I think I would take the time to watch the video, so that I know what was said and so that I could point out how it was wrong!! You haven't done so because you know what was said is verbatim in context!

reply to post by mideast


So in other words....We are all racists, right? Clearly you didn't watch the video. You can take your Dr. Edward W. Saidism some place else! Refute the facts of the documentary!

In my most recent post I forgot to give mekhanics the credit for posting the link to the lengthy rebuttal of the film. While I was typing, I forgot his name and was just too lazy to go back and find it. My apologies to a poster with a decent contribution to this thread.

From the rebuttal:

Our “Imams” and Mullahs have brought disgrace to Islam, Muslims and the entire Ummah through the centuries. For proofs, you may study “The Criminals of Islam” in the Library Section of your own website, www.ourbeacon.com.

The erroneous and usurping explanation of Jizyah (9:29) by the Criminal Muslim Fuqaha (Jurists) is only one of their countless offenses that have rightly generated hatred among non-Muslims and sensible Muslims, including myself, against the ‘Imamist’ Shari’ah.

I think, a proponent of the barbaric man-made Shari’ah who is convicted by an Islamic court for inciting rebellion, is not worth reading, and such is the case.

Answer: Dear Sir, no Muslim would endorse the killing of non-combatants, and hence, suicide bombings. Social renegade conduct these deplorable attacks mostly in Muslim countries and most of their victims are innocent Muslims. The Qur’an calls Terrorism as worse than killing.

Answer: Dear Sir, my response will not be at all apologetic. The sane among people must tell the so-called martyrdom operators that, according to the Qur’an, they are going straight to hell. Anyone promoting Terrorism and rejoicing at the killing of peaceful people, cannot be a Muslim. Such freaks exist in the world irrespective of religion. Here is the Qur’anic stand again.

Dhimma = Responsibilty. So, Dhimmi, a non-Qur’anic term coined by Islamic jurists, would mean non-Muslim citizens whose safety and well-being is the responsibility of the Islamic State. This guarantee would be above and beyond the guarantee provided to the Muslim citizens.

We have seen that the exalted Prophet had said, “If a non-Muslim is wronged in the Islamic State, I will personally plead on his behalf.” [Sahah Sittah]

So, even if there was such a thing as Dhimmi status ever in history, it could never mean ‘second class’ citizenship. It would rather be ‘first class plus’.

salaatforum.com...

So, in his view, Sharia laws are wrong, suicide bombings are wrong, and mistreatment of non-Muslims is wrong. Not just wrong but against the religion itself.

My problem is that this view doesn't seem to be adopted by Muslims in the world today. Who will bring today's Muslims back to proper behavior?

reply to post by KyrieEleison


Ahh...we are not talking about Christianity here!!! This is about Islam and the Koran!!! Quit obfuscating the issue!!! This isn't a discussion on comparative religion!!! Argue the points made in the video!!

reply to post by yuppa

Muhammed is the messiah in islam according to lots of muslims.

According to the Koran, Jesus is the messiah in Islam. Which is why he is known as Isa al-Masih.
Mohammad never claimed to be the messiah and no Muslim who knows his religion thinks of Mohammad as the Messiah.

It doesn't matter I guess, as many think its fine to throw in their 2 cents on Islam without knowing exactly what Islam teaches.

reply to post by Akragon


This is an Arabic custom...not a Islamic custom. They don't shake hands with their right hand because that is the hand they wipe their butt with.

reply to post by logical7


And the report clearly says that it is deference to Muslim countries, why can't you answer a question without asking a question?

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Examiner

reply to post by maddog3n8

So in other words, you don't have too watch the video? Which I may point out, lays out "Islam for Dummies" in a very clear and straight forward way, using the Koran and Haidiths, Which I will also point out is the point of this thread. Debunk how they took the Koran out of context! Otherwise, have a nice steaming cup of STFU!!!!

I don't need to watch an hour long documentary made by a bunch of so called "experts" on Islam. I already know what to expect. Maybe if you could first demonstrate how that bunch of anti-Islamic people are better "experts" at Islam than actual practicing Muslims, I might consider watching that video.

Till then enjoy a cup of whatever you offered me.

And I refuse to acknowledge a religion that say it's is perfectly acceptable to kill men, women, and children to forward the message of their God!!

That is something you have concocted for yourself in your head... most probably as a result of videos and literature like the one in the OP.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n


And you are blatantly taking him out of context:

"Who abstain from sex, except with their wives or the (slaves) that their right hands possess, for then they are not blameworthy" [Qur'an 23:5-6] "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." [Qur'an 4:24] "Your women are a field for you (to cultivate) so go to your field as ye will." [Qur'an 2:223] www.astudyofquran.org...,0,0,1,0,0 Islam strictly forbids adultery... so rape isn't allowed. Common sense. YOU implied Allah condoned rape and I want to see the exact verse where rape is explicitly mentioned...NOT verses that you think talks about rape. Either show it to me or stop making these blatantly false statements that anybody can cross-verify and double check.

This isn't about rape, which by the way the text of which implies that it is ok, but he was talking about slavery!!! Cherry Pick much?

Originally posted by maddog3n8
reply to post by Akragon

 

This is an Arabic custom...not a Islamic custom. They don't shake hands with their right hand because that is the hand they wipe their butt with.

Yes I know this... It all comes down to Abrahamic teachings... and cleanliness laws...

IF I ever have a muslim friend, i'll be sure to get him to slap himself in the face with his butt hand

reply to post by maddog3n8

And you are blatantly taking him out of context:
This isn't about rape, which by the way the text of which implies that it is ok, but he was talking about slavery!!!

The poster I replied to used the word "rape" and I addressed him.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n

I don't need to watch an hour long documentary made by a bunch of so called "experts" on Islam. I already know what to expect. Maybe if you could first demonstrate how that bunch of anti-Islamic people are better "experts" at Islam than actual practicing Muslims, I might consider watching that video.

Well one of the guys claims to be a terrorist in his previous life as a muslim... He knows the language, and the book... and there is a reason he is "anti-Islamic" now...

Why don't you consider watching the video just for the sake of participating in this thread... because its apparently made quite an impact on some people in this community