Fluoride in drinking water.

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Not every American drinks fluoridated water..........and the US does have one of the highest infant mortality rates in the western world........along with all the other medical/health problems that continent seems to plagued with ..........with all your freedoms and scientific advances........you're one of the illest developed countries out there

And as another had said ...............how many have died from fluoride ????????
Now that's a bloody good question ........I would guess there isn't many with fluoride as cause of death on the certificate .........but what about the effects of fluoride.........like how many have cause of death as smoking ??????
Equally as few I'd guess .......but the effects of smoking ?
See how that works ?

If your gonna come here and debate a topic and ask for evidence ........at least have the decency to view the evidence supplied ............as most if not all of the points of the PRO fluoride few have been answered by PHD's in bio chemistry in the vid I provided ..if you don't like vids .......it links to all the research you could possibly want ..........REAL WORLD CLASS EXPERTS IN THEIR FIELD


Some one recently posted this in another thread

"The motto of this site is 'Deny Ignorance.' Let's uphold that ethos. Don't let the propagandists win.

Search for truth. Accept it wherever you find it, no matter how unpalatable it may be.

Check the facts. Double-check the facts. Triple-check the facts. Post only when you're sure of the facts.

Refute lies. Correct misinformation.

Be prepared to accept that you might be wrong."

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Thought this relevant .........if strangely ironic lol

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Anyone who has looked at the issue of Water Fluoridation Knows ....

It is a Toxic Metal Sedative that accumulates with exposure

Knows that it was first introduced into the water supply of Concentration Camps ... WHY?

To Do Exactly what it Did make them Docile and easily controlled Meat Sacks !

Just Like It Has Done To Americans

You wonder Why Americans are so easily led around by their noses ?

Ever wonder Why this country has become a pathetic apathetic ghost of its former Glory ..

The majority of you are Drugged if not by the Water then by the mood altering Fluoride Based Drugs the hand out like candy

.Prozac and Paxil are probably names most of you know but it doesn't end there by a long shot

As an example look at these sites for more information about Fluoride in drugs .

www.slweb.org...

poisonfluoride.com...

Look at the chemical component names of the drugs you take if it has "flu**** " in it you are poisoning yourself

Honestly Anyone who defends Fluoridation is Clueless and wholly Ignorant on the issue .

IMHO due to brain damage and Social Conditioning by the mass media .... yes Dorothy Mind Control is Real

And We haven't even begun to cover the other things they add to water .


Like Drinking Fluoride and Heavy Metals Made in China ?

Then go have a big glass of Water even bottled water with added minerals.. yummy yummy .




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Originally posted by superman2012
reply to post by rickymouse

 

Makes sense, got any links for me to look at? Thanks for the knowledge!

I don't think there were even links when I learned that Lots of the research I did was long ago. They have known of this since the eighties. Acid reflux disease can be directly tied to fluoride in the water. Notice I said can be.....If someone lacks stomach acid it doesn't seem to happen. Lowering salt intake would alleviate this problem because it lowers the chloride to make acid, but that would make more critical problems which can't be blamed on fluoride under consensus of the time. Too little salt can cause swelling of the brain.

It seems that they are trying to put patches on their flawed philosophy that fluoride in water is good for you. They are experimenting on us.

The notion that fluoride in water is great for teeth is insane. Its not even from a natural source. Brushing your teeth is all you need.

I don't know about this one. I drink a lot of tap water (I filter it but I don't think that removes fluoride) and I'm probably the most open minded person within at least a half mile.

I've also tried using the toothpaste that doesn't have fluoride. I have sensitive teeth because of enamel erosion. I will notice the difference within a couple of days if I switch toothpaste. You can't deny pain.

Originally posted by BrianFlanders
I've also tried using the toothpaste that doesn't have fluoride. I have sensitive teeth because of enamel erosion. I will notice the difference within a couple of days if I switch toothpaste. You can't deny pain.

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The pain is still there though even if you use fluoridated toothpaste - it's just you can't feel it. Not a good philosophy IMO. It's the reason I don't use other "pain killers".

Originally posted by Skjord
reply to post by Sankari

 

You do know that there's a difference between sodium fluoride and calcium fluoride right? Calcium fluoride occurs naturally in nature. Sodium fluoride doesn't. Sodium fluoride is a by product of the aluminum industry. It has been used as a rat poison, and it's one of the worlds most deadliest toxins.

Here's an article about Sodium Fluoride, and how it affects one of our most important neurotransmitters.

You cannot say sodium fluoride and calcium fluoride are the same. They are vastly different.

Here's an excerpt from the article:

Sodium Fluoride: the Obedience Drug by Stephan Cooter, Ph.D. Calcium fluoride and fluorine are nature’s mineral salts as found in some natural waters, in tea, and other foods. But sodium fluoride comes from aluminum ore, and it is a byproduct of the modern aluminum industry. Unfortunately, sodium fluoride inter- feres with one of our most important neurotransmitters, acetylcho- line. (See "Fluoride: Governmentally Approved Poison," http:// www.arthritistrust.org. Ed.)

www.arthritistrust.org...

Just thought I'd "retweet" this because it's the truth and very important.
The usual go-to comeback-argument for propagandists is that fluoride is found naturally in water, when they know full well that sodium fluoride is NOT natural (and a very dangerous toxic waste).

Shame on you.

Originally posted by Neocrusader
It's not doom porn
Hey we're questioning the supposed benefits over the supposed negative effects

When science has shown that the benefit of fluoride is a decrease in decay of about a 0.6 of a tooth surface ( grinding teeth having 5 surfaces, cutting teeth having 4 surfaces )
So through being force medicated there is an improvement of, at most an 8th of a tooth, spread over your whole mouth ..........so that's the benefit .........plenty of negatives tho

Would we all agree that Mother Nature through its millennia of evolution has got things so wrong that we are forced to give our children fluoride at 25,000 % more than is in mothers milk ?

Applying fluoride by toothpaste .......yes
Application through ingestion .......no.........do you drink sun screen ?

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I have no problem with that line of thinking, what I had a problem with was someone comparing injections involving fluoride vs. water fluoridation. Two completely different animals.

There are ways to get the fluoride out of the water, but, if you have ever purchased and consumed a bottle of water, or a soda, or any bottled beverage, you are also ingesting fluoride.

I am not saying it is good, I am not saying it is bad, I am saying that they need to do MUCH more testing on this. How much Sodium Hypochlorite, Sodium Hydroxide, Potassium Permanganate, do you ingest? Does your water treatment plant get all heavy metals out of the water and to what concentration?

People don't know because they don't ask. Until "They're fluoridating the water and it is the same as all fluoride" posts come up.

I know people that add fluoride to their water because the city does not. You can find a dozen papers saying whatever you want to hear, it all comes down to personal preference.

ETA: After reading other posts, I see that everyone is against Fluoride. Does anyone actually know if their city/town adds fluoride? Do you know what other chemicals are being added to your water; to make it palatable, make it less/more corrosive? People are ignorant of what is going on until the MSM tells them what to fear. It happens. Everyone falls for it at one time or another.

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Link
Not for or against, just thought I'd give you some extra knowledge.

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Water in the USA ,was fluoridated in 1945 .Everywhere . Saying there is natural fluoride in water,is like say there's natural trace minerals and oxygen in water.
No kidding .

You may want to look at sucralous in water. You know,Splenda . The very unnatural sugar substitute ,that is not really made from sugar.

It's in various US water supplies .No one knows how it got there .

Most major city water supplies have drugs in them too .
Stuff that isnt metabolized by the body ,and is excreted in the urine .
It doesn't come out even when the water is filtered treated recycled.
All kinds of meds.

My city's water suppy has flouride, too. I think a little added is ok because it helps purify the water but if too much it will harm your health in the long run.

reply to post by BrianFlanders


Try brushing with coconut oil .
I use organic coconut oil that has thick sedement . I use the sedement . It kills bacteria and gets rid of plaque .
Try it and see how you like it .

I use this one .Artisans brand .

www.vitacost.com... 7cCFdKe4AodvWAAlA

Well if fluoride is a mind control chemical. The whole of Hamilton ( NZ ) are going to be free spirited.


GOD HELP US ALL

Originally posted by PtolemyII
reply to post by Sankari

 

Water in the USA ,was fluoridated in 1945 .Everywhere .

Not true. It was introducedin Michigan in 1945 but took a long time to reach the rest of the country. By 2006, 65% of the US population was on a fluoridate water supply. Today it's ~75%, so there are still plenty of people using unfluoridated water suppllies.

Saying there is natural fluoride in water,is like say there's natural trace minerals and oxygen in water.
No kidding .

You seem confused. I'm talking about naturally occurring fluoride in groundwater. Not the water from your tap.Fluoride is a natural chemical compound. If you avoid tap water and drink only river water or groundwater, you're still drinking fluoride because it's in there already. Why is it in there already? Because it occurs naturally.

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By 2006 ..
*rolls laughing*

It was fluoridated everywhere when I was growing up in the 70s . I think almost all major cities were fluoridated by the 60s .

And your post is the one that's confused.
Naturally occurring fluoride isn't remotely like what's put in our water ,ergo ,our water isn't fluoridated to make the levels higher than naturally occurring fluoride make it .

All of which was said in reply to your post by someone else as well .

I bet you think the arsenic in chicken feed is just like organic arsenic .

Originally posted by HexagonSun

Originally posted by BrianFlanders
I've also tried using the toothpaste that doesn't have fluoride. I have sensitive teeth because of enamel erosion. I will notice the difference within a couple of days if I switch toothpaste. You can't deny pain.

edit on 7-6-2013 by BrianFlanders because: (no reason given)

The pain is still there though even if you use fluoridated toothpaste - it's just you can't feel it. Not a good philosophy IMO. It's the reason I don't use other "pain killers".

Well, maybe. But I don't like pain. I don't know what else I'd do about the sensitivity if I didn't use something like Pronamel. (I know it doesn't really restore your enamel but it helps with sensitivity)

Originally posted by PtolemyII
reply to post by Sankari

 

By 2006 ..
*rolls laughing*

It was fluoridated everywhere when I was growing up in the 70s . I think almost all major cities were fluoridated by the 60s .

And your post is the one that's confused.
Naturally occurring fluoride isn't remotely like what's put in our water ,ergo ,our water isn't fluoridated to make the levels higher than naturally occurring fluoride make it .

All of which was said in reply to your post by someone else as well .

I bet you think the arsenic in chicken feed is just like organic arsenic .

As of May 2000, 42 of the 50 largest U.S. cities had water fluoridation.

Why do people continue to talk down to people despite having done little to no research?

ETA:

Naturally occurring fluoride isn't remotely like what's put in our water

It isn't? Source please.

Originally posted by superman2012

Originally posted by PtolemyII

Naturally occurring fluoride isn't remotely like what's put in our water

It isn't? Source please.

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Do you think they are mining villiaumite for use in drinking water? Or perhaps it (sodium fluoride) could be a product of another chemical process, which is sold for money to go to drinking water?


To add a quote from wikipedia link of villiaumite above:

Villiaumite is a rare halide mineral composed of sodium fluoride, NaF. It is very soluble in water and some specimens fluoresce under long and short wave ultraviolet light. It has a Mohs hardness of 2.5 and is usually red, pink, or orange in color. It is toxic to humans and should be handled with care.

So the natural form of NaF (villiaumite) is toxic to humans and should be handled with care. Meanwhile, the drinking water form of NaF (sodium fluoride) -- is safe?

It makes no sense!!

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Do you think they are mining villiaumite for use in drinking water?

Nope, ridiculous.

Or perhaps it (sodium fluoride) could be a product of another chemical process, which is sold for money to go to drinking water?

Right, a chemical process, not a waste product as some suggest.

The only reason I showed the villiaumite link was to educate people that sodium fluoride IS a naturally occurring substance, even though it is rare.

So the natural form of NaF (villiaumite) is toxic to humans and should be handled with care. Meanwhile, the drinking water form of NaF (sodium fluoride) -- is safe?
It makes no sense!!

As I stated above, the majority of people have no idea what is going into the water treatment process nor do they understand that in small quantities some chemicals may be beneficial. You eat salt. Try eating a pound of it. Get it?

Originally posted by superman2012

Originally posted by PtolemyII
reply to post by Sankari

 

By 2006 ..
*rolls laughing*

It was fluoridated everywhere when I was growing up in the 70s . I think almost all major cities were fluoridated by the 60s .

And your post is the one that's confused.
Naturally occurring fluoride isn't remotely like what's put in our water ,ergo ,our water isn't fluoridated to make the levels higher than naturally occurring fluoride make it .

All of which was said in reply to your post by someone else as well .

I bet you think the arsenic in chicken feed is just like organic arsenic .

As of May 2000, 42 of the 50 largest U.S. cities had water fluoridation.

Why do people continue to talk down to people despite having done little to no research?

edit on 8-6-2013 by superman2012 because: (no reason given)

ETA:

Naturally occurring fluoride isn't remotely like what's put in our water

It isn't? Source please.

edit on 8-6-2013 by superman2012 because: (no reason given)

You might want to read more of sankaris posts before you say anyone else puts them down .
They use snopes and wiki as their only sources ,and they tend to tell anyone who has a clue about the topc that they are an idiot .

How many items about fluoride you want ?
I can also post numerous about sucralous and drugs being in our water too.

articles.mercola.com...


Fluoride is a toxic industrial waste product that is a poison to your body and in no way a "nutrient," offering no benefits at all to the human body. The fluoride added to water supplies can be contaminated with lead, arsenic, radionucleotides, aluminum and other industrial contaminants. Additionally, the fluoride added to municipal water supplies is not pharmaceutical grade.

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articles.mercola.com...

Further, the fluoride added to most water supplies is not the naturally occurring variety but rather fluorosilicic acid, which is captured in air pollution control devices of the phosphate fertilizer industry. As FAN reported:

“This captured fluoride acid is the most contaminated chemical added to public water supplies, and may impose additional risks to those presented by natural fluorides. These risks include a possible cancer hazard from the acid’s elevated arsenic content, and a possible neurotoxic hazard from the acid’s ability--under some conditions--to increase the erosion of lead from old pipes.”

www.naturalnews.com...

As you can clearly see on this industrial chemicals listing page of Alibaba.com, the Fluoride Chemicals Yunnan Co. offers a 98% water treatment Sodium Fluoride product with the following description for its uses:

It is used in the manufacture of effervescing steel, and the smelting and refining of light metals. It is also used in fluorination of drinking water, as a wood preservative, an adhesive preservative. An insecticide, a protective coating for metals, a pickle for steels and other metals, a flux for soldering and welding, as well as a flux and pacifier for ceramic, glass and porcelain enamel. (www.alibaba.com...)

This company also manufacturers synthetic cryolite, the fluoride-pesticide that's being secretly sprayed on grapes and other crops, adding huge quantities of fluoride to your food (www.naturalnews.com...).


www.celluliteinvestigation.com...

When dentists talk about the benefits of public water fluoridation, they describe fluoride as a “naturally occurring element, found as a constituent of minerals in rocks and soil.” Doesn’t that sound so healthy and… mineral-y?

Sadly, this is not the same fluoride that is added to most of the public water supply throughout the United States. You’re probably not going to believe me when I tell you this, but that fluoride is an industrial byproduct of the aluminum and

Calcium fluoride. Sodium fluoride. Hydrofluosilicic Acid. It’s all the same. This is the logic fluoridation proponents use to justify purchasing fluoride in its industrial form. Does this logic make

For those of you who don’t believe me, I offer further evidence. The image below is cut and pasted directly from the water quality report for the neighboring town of Jupiter, Florida. You can download it for yourself at www.jupiter.fl.us...

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There are to many people in the world and are endangering national security and chems in food and water are there best solution to kill us slowly. other wise people would live to 150 and bankrupt the economy.
This is the cold hard truth --- here are some chemicals approved by the F.D.A
mono sodium glutamate (addictive and causes cancer ,headaches)
sodium phosphate
Tri poly phosphate
sodium nitrate (heart and veins become cured, stiff and break, strokes ,heart attacks)

And just because fluoride and uranium occurs in nature dont mean we should feed them to our children.