Report: Verizon providing all call records to U.S. under court order

reply to post by Helig


That is one of the things that bothers me the most, that for years we have been telling here what is been going on with Washington and the repercussions of past policies on future governments regardless of party affiliation.

But only within ATS circles we get the credit we deserve outside this place people are still as gullible and foggy as usual.

So sad it makes me cry, because I still find people that have not clue what is going on in this nation this days.

Originally posted by marg6043
reply to post by Helig

 

That is one of the things that bothers me the most, that for years we have been telling here what is been going on with Washington and the repercussions of past policies on future governments regardless of party affiliation.

But only within ATS circles we get the credit we deserve outside this place people are still as gullible and foggy as usual.

So sad it makes me cry, because I still find people that have not clue what is going on in this nation this days.

I know how you feel. But now we have all these articles and information by sources that these people likely read, possibly consider that there's concern to be had. Surely the select few will go lock step with the Administration's response of saving us from terrorists, mostly what they abhorred about Bush, they love with Obama- which is all part of the plan.

Seems like another reason to determine who is "eligible" for murder under the patriot act.

This may have already been posted - haven't read the whole thread but for what it's worth

Clapper denied NSA surveillance before Senate panel

Testifying before the Senate Intelligence Committee, Clapper denied allegations by panel members the NSA conducted electronic surveillance of Americans on U.S. soil.

"Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?" committee member Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) asked Clapper during the March 12 hearing.

In response, Clapper replied quickly: "No, sir."

thehill.com... -

edit on 6-6-2013 by Maluhia because: (no reason given)

reply to post by Maluhia


What can you expect, deniability is the tool this days when it comes to scandals within the Whitehouse, so then they can come around and hide under the Fifth Amendment, the crocks wants to erode the constitutional rights of common American citizens but they have no problem using those rights for their benefits.

Originally posted by ohioriver

Originally posted by zeeon
reply to post by JacKatMtn

 

What should alarm us is NOT the fact that they are tracing calls.

What SHOULD alarm us is the fact the NSA is not interested in the calls content or the name of the caller.
Doesn't this seem contrary to a legitmate intelligence operation?

If you were trying to gather intelligence information to stop supposed "Terrorism" (for which the Patriot Act was made) then you would most certainly WANT the name of the caller and the content of the call. And yet, what we have here is precisely the opposite.

So the burning question is - why do they want this metadata, and what are they doing with it?

Also - this is headline news on CNN, Fox, NBC, AP, ACLU, EFF and every other major news organization. Somehow I don't think this is going to just die down any time soon. People are pissed. I've already had 4 people talk to me about it this morning, and I've only been at work for 30 minutes.

Just a theory, but wouldn't it be easy to snap all up and then go back through it later on down the road to target political opponents? Businesses that disagree with you? Protesters?

Logistically, that's the only way it could be done, unless we're going to employ 160 odd million Americans and assign each one to monitor each of the other 160 odd million...all day long, every day. That's over simplifying it, but I think my ponts been made.

I already know that there are enough digital records of my peccadillos out there stored somewhere that I cringe that I couldn't have had better foresight. Well, when and if I do decide to protest, run for office, whistleblow, or otherwise do something that might go contrary to the status quo, I'll at least know what I'll be blackmailed with! Thumbs up, NSA.

The internet side of this issue sucks for those abroad as we have been spied on by the US as well. I am expecting at least a press conference from our own PM detailing the extent to which the privacy of Australians has been compromised by Prism.

This is why Tor (while it's still legal) and anonymised search pages like startpage are your friend, folks.

Tor: www.torproject.org...
Startpage: startpage.com...

Anonymous have put up other leaked documents relating to this. The link below will take you there. This is their communication on the situation, which can be read directly here http:///x77ZdbHP


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Greetings Netizens, and Citizens of the world.

Anonymous has obtained some documents that "they" do not want you to see, and much to "their" chagrin, we have found them, and are giving them to you. These documents prove that the NSA is spying on you, and not just Americans. They are spying on the citizens of over 35 different countries.

These documents contain information on the companies involved in GiG, and Prism.

Whats GiG you might ask? well...

The GIG will enable the secure, agile, robust, dependable, interoperable data sharing environment for the Department where warfighter, business, and intelligence users share knowledge on a global network that facilitates information superiority, accelerates decision-making, effective operations, and Net-Centric transformation.

Like we said, this is happening in over 35 countries, and done in cooperation with private businesses, and intelligence partners world wide.

We bring this to you, So that you know just how little rights you have. Your privacy and freedoms are slowly being taken from you, in closed door meetings, in laws buried in bills, and by people who are supposed to be protecting you.

Download these documents, share them, mirror them, don't allow them to make them disappear. Spread them wide and far. Let these people know, that we will not be silenced, that we will not be taken advantage of, and that we are not happy about this unwarranted, unnecessary, unethical spying of our private lives, for the monetary gain of the 1%.

And now, the candy: thedocs.hostzi.com...

We are Anonymous
We do not forgive
We do not forget
and by now,
You should expect us

reply to post by JacKatMtn


For the first time in a loooong time conspiracy theorists and I can legitimately tell people:

I TOLD YOU SO!

The writing is on the wall people and that is all people left & right. TPTB are pushing to see just how far they can reach before they get a push back. And guess what the push will never come and ya wanna know why...............APATHY & FEAR.


Sorry I did not mean to yell but come on people wake up. How many stories do you need to see.




The home of the free and the brave is no more. Everything our founding fathers fought and died for is gone. This is a fact at this point and people had better start accepting it. We are living in chains.

reply to post by JacKatMtn


The truth is this. I have Verizon. I am disappointed in this moment. However, do you know how lawyers fight lawyers? Tie them up in court. 90 million plus subscribers, how can they afford to prosecute? Sounds like a bluff to me, kock knock, whats that, gotta go.

“Can you hear me now?”
“Can you hear me”?
“Can you hear me now”?

Probably not!

But damn sure the Gov. can!

reply to post by Rocker2013

If you have a suspect, you monitor that suspect, see who they are communicating with, then monitor them too, you don't monitor millions of people just to watch one.

The idea that gathering data on millions of people is supposed to somehow help the monitoring of a small collection of known terrorists is a complete fantasy and anyone who believes this obvious BS needs their head checking.

Yep! But I read somewhere that they were interested in the calls taking place more "especially within the US", which to me translates their fear of us.. their monitoring of those who may want to organize a rebellion. It's only my perception and makes me wonder. 'They' won't allow us to form large groups and we are watched on the internet, must be watched elsewhere.

Just a thought.

Sounds like somewhere in all of this mess "if true" there is a class action lawsuit just waiting to happen. This could end up in the supreme court of all things. Reminds me of the scene in Batman the Dark Knight when Morgan Freeman developed a technology "super computer" to spy on all the people in Gotham via Cell Phone but then refused to let Batman use it to find the Joker due to ethics. Batman uses it anyway just like the PTB does. Irony, like sandy hook. How things in film become real life events and WE are the Joker's and the Bane's


Oh don't forget Scarecrow tainting the water supply making the people Mad

reply to post by Archie


I use TOR everywhere I go, or VPN there is even a app in google market for Android phones. I always sail the seven proxies with friendly vessels for this reason if you get what i am saying. But with Verison this is nothing really new. The CIA admitted they monitor everything on the internet with a super computer in Langley underground. So when they disclose such things that is just the tip of the iceeberg imagine what they don't tell us?

Picture Satellites that see your signature through your walls through your roof. Seeing everything you do. You, me and everyone else on a routine daily basis. Then you get a better idea of just how private our lives have become.

Interesting site exposing the mass surveillance totalitarian police state. OP related!


ELECTRONIC FRONTIER FOUNDATION
www.eff.org...

The US government, with assistance from major telecommunications carriers including AT&T, has engaged in a massive program of illegal dragnet surveillance of domestic communications and communications records of millions of ordinary Americans since at least 2001. News reports in December 2005 first revealed that the National Security Agency (NSA) has been intercepting Americans’ phone calls and Internet communications. Those news reports, combined with a USA Today story in May 2006 and the statements of several members of Congress, revealed that the NSA is also receiving wholesale copies of American's telephone and other communications records. All of these surveillance activities are in violation of the privacy safeguards established by Congress and the US Constitution. The evidence also shows that the government did not act alone. EFF has obtained whistleblower evidence [PDF] from former AT&T technician Mark Klein showing that AT&T is cooperating with the illegal surveillance. The undisputed documents show that AT&T installed a fiberoptic splitter at its facility at 611 Folsom Street in San Francisco that makes copies of all emails web browsing and other Internet traffic to and from AT&T customers and provides those copies to the NSA. This copying includes both domestic and international Internet activities of AT&T customers. As one expert observed “this isn’t a wiretap, it’s a country-tap.” EFF is fighting these illegal activities in the courts. Currently, EFF is representing victims of the illegal surveillance program in Jewel v. NSA, a lawsuit filed in September 2008 seeking to stop the warrantless wiretapping and hold the government and government officials officials behind the program accountable. Previously, in Hepting v. AT&T, EFF filed the first case against a cooperating telecom for violating its customers' privacy. After Congress expressly intervened in the FISA Amendments Act to allow the Executive to require dismissal of the case, the case was ultimately dismissed by the US Supreme Court. Other ongoing cases arising from the warrantless wiretapping are: Al Haramain v. Obama Amnesty International v. Clapper Center for Constitutional Rights v. Bush Shubert v. Obama

Originally posted by Zcustosmorum
Well I don't know how the customers of this company feel but if it were me I'd tell them to shove whatever contract I had with them up their directories

I dropped them. I'm going cell phone-less. I'm done with this crap. Next up may have to be the computer. Which means losing touch with friends and family all over the globe. I feel forced to unplug from the system in order to regain my privacy.

I truly thought TSA in airports would be that line in the sand. What is it really going to take for it to break everything open and people start PUSHING BACK?

Originally posted by SubTruth
The writing is on the wall people and that is all people left & right. TPTB are pushing to see just how far they can reach before they get a push back. And guess what the push will never come and ya wanna know why...............APATHY & FEAR.

This is why I always laugh when people talk about tptb hitting the internet kill switch. The internet is what keeps people hypnotized! No way in hell are they going to pull the plug on something that keeps people's minds distracted from the important stuff. The only thing they will do is take down sites like this, if push comes to shove.

I do not allow my child to sit on the computer or sit in front of the tv all day. We do not keep cable. I don't want my child hypnotized. I do not allow CNN, FOX, ABC, or any of the other MSM to air in my home. I don't want it filtering in. It's all lies anyway.

Originally posted by LightsideAssassin
Well, we knew this was happening, didn't we..we just didn't have hard proof. Now we do. If anyone really believes they're not recording the content of the calls as well, perhaps I can interest you in a bridge I have for sale.

It's in Brooklyn. You'll love it.

Imagine all the people who do their talking on free google gmail phones.
2nd

Originally posted by MindpurelyMind
BBC America just had this story on 5:30 news. They really is no protest and after 9/11 85 % of people are siding with the NSA over individual rights.

Same idiots who say "I'd rather have the TSA feel me up and everyone else too so we don't get blown up in mid air". No surprise there.

Found this parody it pretty much sums it up enjoy!

Originally posted by Taissa

Originally posted by SubTruth
The writing is on the wall people and that is all people left & right. TPTB are pushing to see just how far they can reach before they get a push back. And guess what the push will never come and ya wanna know why...............APATHY & FEAR.

This is why I always laugh when people talk about tptb hitting the internet kill switch. The internet is what keeps people hypnotized! No way in hell are they going to pull the plug on something that keeps people's minds distracted from the important stuff. The only thing they will do is take down sites like this, if push comes to shove.

I do not allow my child to sit on the computer or sit in front of the tv all day. We do not keep cable. I don't want my child hypnotized. I do not allow CNN, FOX, ABC, or any of the other MSM to air in my home. I don't want it filtering in. It's all lies anyway.

I actually grew up the same way. I was told to go outside and play on nice days and I had better be in by the time the street lights came on.


I drank from the hose and got spanked when I was bad. I was on a soccer team that came in last place and guess what we did not get a trophy.


The everybody wins better stay inside and cry if I am made fun of generation is really missing something.