Sequence of events?

It's hard to say really. I myself had an experience when I was 4 years old of three 4ft tall "greys" in my room, with a saucer where the ceiling ought to be. I have since discovered that others have reported seeing the same configuration of lights on the bottom of saucers that I saw in my room when I was 4(I mean fully awake daytime/nighttime sightings, not sightings in similar situations, in bed etc.). However, I was not paralyzed, I woke up and had a fight and flight response, jumping out of my bed and punching the closest "grey" in the face and running out of the room to my parents room without looking back. I did not remember the event til many years later. There seem to be a number of connections that are hard to ignore, relating to orange orbs - saucers - and 4ft "greys".

Coincidentally I also have about an inch wide scar at the back of my skull at the top of the spine in the center, which my parents are unable to figure out the cause of, and myself having no memory of it.

Do I outright believe it was a real event? Well.. The more I ponder on it and the more data I collect, it becomes hard to ignore the most logical conclusion, if I am to accept the data accumulated by other people with similar experiences (not just regarding abduction, but UFO's that perform miraculous maneuvers that make it virtually impossible to deny there is something going on). It would be foolish to ignore all the factors that paint a semi coherent picture that is hidden from view.

edit: I have seen an orange orb make a 90 degree turn and accelerate beyond comprehension into the background of space, which led me to start investigating the phenomenon more, and start seriously trying to discern my "Abduction" memory. Coincidentally my abduction memory is the very first memory I have of the middle of the night, or some might say, my very first "Dream" memory of my life.

Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by repulsive1

 

Sorry, but this psychologist doesn't buy the "sleep paralysis"

loophole. That fall-back explanation does NOT account for a list of factors involved in the abduction experiences.

Does "sleep paralysis" occur? Sure.

I just don't accept it as a SUFFICIENT explanation for the abduction experience.

And, I think it's a nice 'warm, fuzzy' pseudo-explanation for folks who are toooo uncomfortable facing the facts of the abduction phenomena.

Super-rationalists are hyper averse to accepting "supernatural" or other 'out there' phenomena as even remotely possible. Soooooo, one of their strategies for dealing with such realities and possibilities is to DEFINE THEM OUT OF POSSIBILITY.

The only ones they are fooling are themselves, however.

You are not a psychologist. You are correct Though that HSP is not sufficient. What you are missing is the false memories induced by hypnosis and confabulation by quacks.

Surely , mr psychologist, you see the ethical problem with suggesting that a 13 year old girl is being abducted by aliens rather than seeking a rational explaination? Lets not add to the confusion.

reply to post by Raxoxane

I wonder why i never saw or heard anything strange or menacing when i had sleep paralysis?

Because you didn't. Sometimes i do and sometimes I don't. Why? Because.

reply to post by BO XIAN

Your sister deserves protection, imho.

Yes, but from quackery. Lets not forget famed abduction researcher Dr David Jacobs and how he would abuse his hypnotized female victims. "Tell me more about your sexual encounters with the aliens...and do you mind sending me your underpants so I can, you know, test them for alien DNA"

Godspeed.

Originally posted by ZetaRediculian

You are not a psychologist.

You don't have the power to take away my PhD in Clinical Psych.

You are correct Though that HSP is not sufficient. What you are missing is the false memories induced by hypnosis and confabulation by quacks.

There are thousands of cases where there was no hypnosis involved whatsoever.

Surely , mr psychologist, you see the ethical problem with suggesting that a 13 year old girl is being abducted by aliens rather than seeking a rational explaination? Lets not add to the confusion.

4 years old, 13 years old, 16 years old, 23 years old . . .

they are all precious individuals who've had their lives horribly intruded upon by critters and forces beyond their conventional experience. They feel quite out of control, victimized, raped etc.

I think it's cheeky to try and so derisively dismiss the realities of their EXPERIENCES vs your fanatasies about their experiences.

Your explanation doesn't work 0.00000000000000000000000001%

in the cases where the woman goes to her gynecologist at the end of the first trimester of pregnancy and the baby is fine. THAT VERY NIGHT there's another abduction and the woman remembers it or wakes up the next morning and knows the baby is gone. She goes to the gynecologist THAT DAY and sure enough, the baby is gone.

Go laugh in that woman's face. Maybe she'd give you a fitting response.

reply to post by ZetaRediculian


Nice try at tarnishing the reputation of a quality researcher.

He did a good job.

He documented things in a systematic way.

Just because his results don't fit your lofty constructions on reality is a laughable reason to toss him and his data in the trash.

Maybe you sleep better at night doing so.

Your fantasies don't satisfy most thinking folks as suitable explanations for the typical sequence of events.

Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by ZetaRediculian

 

Nice try at tarnishing the reputation of a quality researcher.

He did a good job.

He documented things in a systematic way.

Just because his results don't fit your lofty constructions on reality is a laughable reason to toss him and his data in the trash.

Maybe you sleep better at night doing so.

Your fantasies don't satisfy most thinking folks as suitable explanations for the typical sequence of events.

Only if you ignore the thinking folks posting in this thread who actually SHARE similar sequences of events and are more than willing to entertain all possibilities.

Then you enter, pretending to have certain "lofty" credentials, dismissing all but the most exotic of explanations.

It's your fantasies which are laughable, "Doctor".

reply to post by draknoir2


Folks who habitually think thoroughly at high levels are used to considering all remotely plausible possibilities.

They are also used to weeding out constructions on reality that the evidence just doesn't fit well enough to be bothered much with.

However, if your seemingly rigid biases are more comfortable with chaff explanations--have at them.

Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by ZetaRediculian

 

Nice try at tarnishing the reputation of a quality researcher.

He did a good job.

He documented things in a systematic way.

Just because his results don't fit your lofty constructions on reality is a laughable reason to toss him and his data in the trash.

Maybe you sleep better at night doing so.

Your fantasies don't satisfy most thinking folks as suitable explanations for the typical sequence of events.

Oh, wait until I get off work! Mr phd.

reply to post by BO XIAN

I think it's cheeky to try and so derisively dismiss the realities of their EXPERIENCES vs your fanatasies about their experiences.

It is their experience. Show me where I dismissed anything. And what is my fantasy? That there is most likely a reasonable explaination and not alien abduction here?

I would say that you are projecting. The fantasy is yours.

I can't take your phd in clinical psych away but I can file a complaint if you have a liscence to practice. Not sure how the review board would view the advice you give over the Internet. Not sure it's really legit to toss out the entire DSM out in favor of some fantasy of yours.

So you claim a phd in clinical psych but don't accept the Diagnostic Manual that you are supposed to use? So you are a psychologist but dismiss psychological explanations.

Are you a Christian that rejects the bible also?

reply to post by BO XIAN

in the cases where the woman goes to her gynecologist at the end of the first trimester of pregnancy and the baby is fine. THAT VERY NIGHT there's another abduction and the woman remembers it or wakes up the next morning and knows the baby is gone. She goes to the gynecologist THAT DAY and sure enough, the baby is gone.

Go laugh in that woman's face. Maybe she'd give you a fitting response.

why would I laugh in that women's face? Shes not even real. The women exists as character in your story. I don't suppose that there is actual documention that this occurred, is there? Yes, you actually need to back up stuff.

I knew a lot of phd clinical psychologists and even married one. they aren't the sharpest tools in the shed. It's probably the easiest doctorate to get.

reply to post by ZetaRediculian


I find your replies extremely insulting.

Enjoy your constructions on the "sequences of events" this thread is set-up to talk about.

Yes, there was documentation on at least a woman or 3 who had that experience with her/their hybrid baby(-ies) at the end of the first trimester. No. I don't have a ref handy from what I read a decade or 3 ago.

I think the report has been included in one or two or more of the better researched books on such topics.

I don't expect to respond further to your posts or replies unless I care to make a point off of them for other readers.

reply to post by repulsive1


I realize I'm posting this while your likely asleep but hoping to hear an update. Poor baby. My daughter had 2-3 terrifying experiences when she was a teen and one as a preschooler. More along the line of ghosts and demons though.

She did not sleep in her room for nearly a month due to an experience of feeling someone sit on the end of her bed (aged 13 or 14). She stated she could not fall asleep so was certain she wasn't dreaming. She thought it was me and called out. At the same time she had sat up to reach out and felt someone. I remember that night clearly because she was so shaken I could not easily console her.
She also had a dream at about the age of 4 (this one I say is a dream but to her it felt real) where "the devil" (her words) was doing something (can't remember specifics). We didn't go to church and I don't know how she knew about "the devil" but she was adamant.
Then another in her room at age 14 or15 and even I heard someone in there (upstairs large space) and called the police. They fully believed us and seemed stumped (we were all huddled on the couch due to footsteps) and a certainty so one was there - it was very real and no one was sleeping. The police stated they fully believed us and were going to hang outside for awhile. I don't know why - if they sensed something or what but it was unusual to have them do that with no evidence of an intruder.

With her bedroom - there were other incidents where she would hear someone outside her window or just have an urge to go to the couch downstairs but I cannot remember the details. These things never happened to her when on the main floor. I wonder if your sister could sleep on the sofa for a night or two just to see.

Sometimes the unexplained is just that. Some of it can be explained (nightmares, sleep paralysis) but sometimes its just a WTF moment that we will never figure out. I often wonder if sleeping on the couch made her feel safer so this is why no issues when in living room or if there truly was something happening to her in that room. The night we called the police makes me think her experiences were legit but its too hard to say with certainty.

Please keep us updated and I hope for a fear free restful night for her as I type.

Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by ZetaRediculian

 

I find your replies extremely insulting.

That's your construct, I guess.

Enjoy your constructions on the "sequences of events" this thread is set-up to talk about.

My constructions are that someone is experiencing a common and very well documented phenomenon and that their family members should seek answers along those lines and not along the lines of a modern mythology.

Yes, there was documentation on at least a woman or 3 who had that experience with her/their hybrid baby(-ies) at the end of the first trimester. No. I don't have a ref handy from what I read a decade or 3 ago.

I think the report has been included in one or two or more of the better researched books on such topics.

Oh yes, the hybrid baby stories. I'm actually pretty familiar with the mythology. You do realize there is no actual evidence, don't you?

I don't expect to respond further to your posts or replies unless I care to make a point off of them for other readers.

I don't blame you.

Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by ZetaRediculian

 

I find your replies extremely insulting.

Enjoy your constructions on the "sequences of events" this thread is set-up to talk about.

Yes, there was documentation on at least a woman or 3 who had that experience with her/their hybrid baby(-ies) at the end of the first trimester. No. I don't have a ref handy from what I read a decade or 3 ago.

I think the report has been included in one or two or more of the better researched books on such topics.

I don't expect to respond further to your posts or replies unless I care to make a point off of them for other readers.

I found your story about women who had babies taken from them, it's a movie of a book.
Intruders - Budd Hopkins - John E. Mack.
YouTube
The sound isn't good but it's worth putting up with to watch the movie.


@ OP. How are you getting on or more to the point how is your sister ?
Please give us an update, did you find out if it was sleep paralysis or something else and is it still happening ?