Rabbi Baruch Efriti: 'Islamization of Europe a good thing"

Originally posted by undo
what about europe's atheists, agnostics, pagans? he think islam is better for them too? holey rusted metal batman. this planet is going kabonkers.

No kidding on that!

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by logical7
Well then i'l have a more open mind about west(US) when the "a rape every two mins", "every 3rd women being a victim of domestic voilence in her lifetime" etc stop!.

If you don't think that muslim women are the victims of abuse and violence at the same rate, or even higher, then you are sadly mistaken. The poor muslim women don't have anyplace to turn for justice when they are abused. That lovely (sarcasm) sharia law that you want so badly doesn't give them a proper voice in the courts and doesn't allow the women an escape from abuse.

a good system should PREVENT abuse not just patch up the wounds. If you blame islam for promoting abuse then..

What is the reason of these crimes at such staggering rate in your "secular" country? Are they all secretly muslims?

P.S- only 6 percent rapist get jail time! Thats 1 in 16 rapists, the 15 go free. Great!

btw do tell me why men at your place are doing that? Is it the Bible? Or mothers and fathers too busy to chase a career to teach their sons to respect girls?

And i bet Efriti has known many christians too. More likely he probably refuses to even talk to any of us, while he maintains his denial of Yeshua as the Messiah and rightful King of Israel. Ah whatever. I need to shut up now or the next thing that will come out of my mouth will be a sin.

What a nice old xenophobic Rabbi.
Bless him.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by logical7
Well then i'l have a more open mind about west(US) when the "a rape every two mins", "every 3rd women being a victim of domestic voilence in her lifetime" etc stop!.

If you don't think that muslim women are the victims of abuse and violence at the same rate, or even higher, then you are sadly mistaken. The poor muslim women don't have anyplace to turn for justice when they are abused. That lovely (sarcasm) sharia law that you want so badly doesn't give them a proper voice in the courts and doesn't allow the women an escape from abuse.

a good system should PREVENT abuse not just patch up the wounds. If you blame islam for promoting abuse then..

What is the reason of these crimes at such staggering rate in your "secular" country? Are they all secretely muslims?

logical7

What is the reason of these crimes at such staggering rate in your "secular" country? Are they all secretely muslims?

well, at least one reason is that here in the usa, government organizations don't get funding for the next year unless they can prove they are getting results. they have set quotas they have to meet, of successful prosecutions. in the case of molestations against women or females, the numbers are frequently artificially enhanced by basically making it impossible for men to defend themselves against accusations of molestation, rape and etc. you should find this interesting, in a cultural way, but perhaps for different reasons.

for example, a white collar executive from a corporation was accused of molesting a female co-worker. he hired the best lawyer he could get, who guaranteed him that he could get a not guilty ruling for him and that he should plead not guilty. so he did. that man is currently doing 20+ years in prison. now you might be thinking---well maybe he was guilty--but just wait, there's more.

currently, in the usa, the laws against molesting women are exceedingly stringent. so stringent in fact, that judges tend rule against the presentation of almost all evidence that could prove the accused not guilty. all it takes is one woman to accuse you and it all goes downhill from there. in effect, it's like sharia law requiring several witnesses for a rape accusation, but in reverse. this, in turn, boosts the number of successfully prosecuted cases, assuring the funding of special government programs dealing with the issue, for the next year. it also provides politicians with numbers they can use while campaigning, to prove their administrations are successfully combating the social ill of molestation crimes against women.

many men, however, particularly the poverty stricken, can't afford expensive lawyers and have to accept the free ones provided by the state. this, of course, is a huge conflict of interest issue, since the state wants to keep the various organizations dealing with the subject, funded by tax payer monies. as a result, poor men in particular, are encouraged to plead guilty, particularly for first time offenders, as they won't have to go to prison but instead will basically be prisoners of their own homes for the rest of their lives, have their names added to sexual predator lists, and so on. but if they plead not guilty, it's a guaranteed, automatic prison sentence.

so in effect, the idea the usa has a rampant molestation problem is being artificially produced by bureacracy.

i'm female, btw. so i'm not saying this to defend some guy who may or may not be guilty. i'm just providing evidence for how things can be skewed in courts of law, adding to the appearance of something which might in fact, not be the case at all.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n

Rabbi Baruch Efrati, a yeshiva head and community rabbi in the West Bank settlement of Efrat,

A man who feels "divine" entitlement to take the lands of other people, speaking from that taken land.

Of course, this Rabbi can only speak for himself and not the entire Jewish community. However, his endorsement of Islam makes sense on a theological level, as both Islam and Judaism are strictly monotheistic and share many similarities regarding rituals and dietary laws.

I strongly dispute their claim of monotheism. Talmudic religion is just as trinitarian as the Nicene creed, only in Judaism the "chosen" people are one of the persons of the godhead, and the "land they're entitled to" is the other.

Christianity, as opposed to Islam, is considered "idolatry" from a halachic point of view.

Hypocrisy! They claim Christians are idolaters for making Jesus a god, yet many of their rabbis are gods on Earth, Baal this and Baal that, oh, but idolatry if a Christian says, "Jesus is Lord".

Basically he's saying it's all good as long as Christians suffer in Europe, but prays that European Jews don't suffer along side their fellow countrymen.

Once Judaism and Islam become the dominant controllers of government then "Blasphemy" (talking bad about or even questioning the reality of monotheism) will be outlawed, and this religion forum might as well get shut down.

Atheism and Paganism will be strictly "don't ask, don't tell".

reply to post by undo


Thanks for answering my question but are you saying that women are being molested less but are abusing the law to frame innocent men?

71 percent of rape cases involving a known person don't get reported.

Does a rapist pleading guilty gets free?

it's like sharia law requiring several witnesses for a rape accusation, but in reverse.

sharia law does not require 4 witnesses for rape, its just the woman's word, like what you said about your law.
Saudi Arabia and Pakistan wrongly included rape under adultery and adultery requires 4 witnesses.

reply to post by logical7


How did a thread about a Jewish Rabbi's statement regarding Islamization of Europe get derailed into a discussion about rape statistics?

Logical7, please understand that this forum is FULL of people with an agenda. They will seize any opportunity to spew the usual "Islam=bad" or "Islam not good for women" nonsense over and over again... like broken records. This thread is just another example.

You know the truth...for every 1 male who converts to Islam, there are 4 women who convert. They themselves testify that they were sick of the secular world that treated women as objects and that Islamic lifestyle worked better for them. All this is happening in front of our eyes, in our time. Let these facts speak for themselves and don't be baited into another argument with people who have already made their conclusion.

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A man who feels "divine" entitlement to take the lands of other people, speaking from that taken land.

I did point out how this guy who would typically oppose Muslims on what he calls his homeland is actually prescribing Islam for Europe. It doesn't add up.


[qoute]yet many of their rabbis are gods on Earth, Baal this and Baal that,
Eh, do you have a source for the claim that Jews believe their Rabbis are gods?

Basically he's saying it's all good as long as Christians suffer in Europe, but prays that European Jews don't suffer along side their fellow countrymen.

In all fairness, he did not call for Christian suffering. Just the loss of European identity, as retaliation for Europes anti-semitism.

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thanks n sorry for derailing the thread.

logical7

Thanks for answering my question but are you saying that women are being molested less but are abusing the law to frame innocent men?

71 percent of rape cases involving a known person don't get reported.

Does a rapist pleading guilty gets free?

i'm saying that there are cases where innocent men are being framed yes, because the system is currently designed to get more convictions, as i explained in my post. it's like saudi sharia law, but in reverse. instead of the woman having to go to impossible lengths to prove herself innocent, the man has to instead. it's just as unjust as sharia but to the opposite extreme, and as a result of bureacracy instead of religion.

the public wants crimes against women and children stopped. they want evidence that successful efforts are being made, and this responsibility falls on the shoulders of the justice system. so as a result, the numbers are being skewed.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by logical7

 

You know the truth...for every 1 male who converts to Islam, there are 4 women who convert. They themselves testify that they were sick of the secular world that treated women as objects and that Islamic lifestyle worked better for them. All this is happening in front of our eyes, in our time. Let these facts speak for themselves and don't be baited into another argument with people who have already made their conclusion.

my comments were in response to his conversation regarding crimes against women in secular america. it was a comparative analysis question and i think i did a fine job answering it.

reply to post by logical7


The point is ... the Sharia law doesn't stop women from being abused and crime and it does not prevent crime any better than anyone else. At least with secular law, the victims have a place to turn for help. With Sharia, there is no where for women to turn for help or justice, and Sharia itself emboldens men to treat women as lesser human beings. BIG DIFFERENCE.

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sorry FF we can continue on my thread, although i agree to Scorpie's reply to me, maybe you read it

reply to post by FlyersFan

the Sharia law doesn't stop women from being abused and crime and it does not prevent crime any better than anyone else.

Don't mean to add to this irrelevant sub-topic but...
First find out if secular law somehow stops women from being abused and if secular law somehow prevents crime.
Once you have done so, start a NEW thread talking about how secular law is better than Islamic law, when it comes to women... since thats the only topic you want to discuss.... on a thread about a JEWISH Rabbi's opinion on Europe and Islam.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
since thats the only topic you want to discuss.... on a thread about a JEWISH Rabbi's opinion on Europe and Islam.

I gave my opinion and posted three or four times on the topic on the first page.
And it seems you agree with my posts .. the guy has hate in his heart and is
dredging up the old Jewish generational punishment bunk. He isn't pushing 'islamification'
because he buys into Islam .. he's doing it out of spite and hate.

As to the other subject that wormed it's way in (as happens at ATS a bunch) ...
it can be continued on Logicals thread. (although I think that thread has been
exhausted)

I'll do it, Sk0rp and FF:
I just watch a documentary that EVERYONE here needs to watch.

It talks about how Islam is NOT just a "personal religion", and that the "moderate, peaceful" Muslims are (in the experience of former Jihadists and various experts in the program) only 'pretending' - until the time they have enough numbers in place to IMPOSE Islam as a government and political system -
and they intend for it to be THE WHOLE WORLD.

They won't stop until they are done.
They have no respect for anyone else's faith, and think it is their OBLIGATION to Allah to make EVERYONE obey Sharia, and DO AWAY with democracy.

They want to Dhimmitize the "infidels" - that, is make them accept "second class citizenship and Muslims as their overlords".

"Islam: What the West Needs to Know."

I hope everyone on this board will watch it and discuss it, I'm particularly interested in how it will be received by both sides. For me, it was, erm, shocking.

reply to post by sk0rpi0n

Eh, do you have a source for the claim that Jews believe their Rabbis are gods?

Surprisingly, I do.

In the Gospel of John Jesus refers to one of the Psalms.

John 10:33 The Jews answered him, “We don’t stone you for a good work, but for blasphemy: because you, being a man, make yourself God.”

34 Jesus answered them, "“Isn’t it written in your law, ‘I said, you are gods?’ 35 If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture can’t be broken), 36 do you say of him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am the Son of God?’

The Psalm itself (82:6) depicts an assembly of gods.

See this video here: Intrinsic Greatness of the Jew
By the Rebbe, September 14, 1988

Here is a transcript 5:29 - 6:34
"But it is the merit of the Jewish People - and not just their merit, but their greatness - that God tells them:
'Although I ordered the moon to be diminished, and the lunar year to be shorter than the solar year, the ability to rectify this is given to the Jewish People, to the Rabbinic Court - even if they make a mistake in doing so - because of their intrinsic greatness, because the soul-root of a Jew is higher than any other creation, which is subject to time and space.'
As the Zohar states: 'The Jewish People and God, - through Torah - are literally one.'
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There are many places where the attitude is that the Rabbinic Council decision are binding upon the Judaic g.d. Making him the servant of the council rather than the master.

In all fairness, he did not call for Christian suffering. Just the loss of European identity, as retaliation for Europes anti-semitism.

In all fairness, I put my own spin on it.

Doesn't it say in Qur'an that the Jews should not be taken as friends because the Jews are friends of Christians already? And yet, the Jewish/Islamic dialogs are concluding that Noahide laws are good for the World. This seems to be against Qur'an, what people are doing.

See this thread: Official Religion of the United States

anybody here ever read about anu, enlil and enki?
that's the biblical jehovah, a misunderstanding, as enlil better fits the description of the accuser than a merciful, loving father.
enlil is allah, which means enlil is also depicted as jehovah in the old testament. he's been mixed in with enki and anu. why is he the accuser, you might ask? easy -- he doesn't like human beings. (that much is pretty evident)
this goes all the way back to the creation of the adam narrative. the one that likes human beings, is the one who created human beings. and the one that created human beings, is enki. and the old testament tries to portray him as the accuser. it's flipped on its head.

enlil, according to the sumerian texts, held the title to the planet, as it were. this was his planet. (and who tried to give the planet to jesus?? 3 guesses, first 2 don't count) and he didn't want human beings running around on it, procreating like mad. he was depicted as an environmental scientist. enki, who was a master of genetic sciences (creator of living things -- serpent in the tree is dna) created humans and other life forms on the planet. then he spent the next 4000+ years trying to defend it from enlil, in the heavenly court of anu (who is heavenly father in the example, also known as the egyptian amen).

the reason why the text says the jews are gods is because the adam was named after its creator, egyptian atum. since moses was an egyptian for the first half of his life, he was taught both the egyptian and mesopotamian creation accounts, which are identical but have diverging cultural spins and language barriers. remember, some of noah's descendants settled egypt. the problem is, all people are descended from the atum, so that means all people are gods, in the junior sense of the word. they just don't realize it.