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Originally posted by acuna
reply to post by rival
Don't get me wrong, I believe in the second amendment, but there is a problem here in the US when 91% of the electorate agree with gun control in the form of universal background checks and limiting magazine sizes and congress just pretty much ignores it
Originally posted by Rocker2013
Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
homocide rates where? oh thats right, homocide rates in the most gun controling cities and states... lets pick one... chicago, some of the stricktest gun laws, it leads the nation as the most violent city, this city has a whopping 7.8 percemt of all gun related deaths in the USA. mind you that if just the state of illinois had that rate it would be rediculous...
I'll tell you what's rediculous, it's people using that same old tired line of the "strictest gun laws lead to higher gun crime" when this is complete propaganda.
Some states have stricter gun laws IN RESPONSE to the higher gun crime. These are laws enacted to try to deal with the massive crime statistics, it's not a CAUSE of the gun crime. Other states have differing laws, some have worse mental health care services than others, some have higher levels of depression than others, some have greater economic disparity than others...
You cannot make a blanket statement about those states with tougher gun laws having more gun crime, it just isn't that simple. The fact that pro-gun people keep pushing this out there without facing these obvious discrepancies is a joke too.
America will not move on from this any time soon, at least not in the next two or three generations. It's going to take something truly terrible before people will actually start to wake up to this complete and utter insanity.
It doesn't help that IQ levels seem to be so disastrously low, that people cannot even do any basic research or critical thinking for themselves. The NRA pushes out so much rubbish and nonsense, and so many people swallow it without even checking anything too.
Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
Originally posted by SpearMint
Originally posted by Ayjay47
reply to post by muse7
I see. You made your opinion very clear, but what if I were to tell you that it's completely and utterly wrong? Just because a pyscho with a gun pulls the trigger on innocents does not mean that the reasons for the second amendment are unsound. If citizens kill other citizens, then you can bet that the citizens themselves are the problem. You can't blame guns - they only kill what they are aimed and fired at. Which should only be aggressors, of course.
Guns make it easier in so many ways, and they give opportunities. The easier it's made to carry out and get away with, the more likely it is to happen. The citizens may be violent, and they are to blame, but it's made very easy for them. Homicide rates reflect this.edit on 3-6-2013 by SpearMint because: (no reason given)
homocide rates where? oh thats right, homocide rates in the most gun controling cities and states... lets pick one... chicago, some of the stricktest gun laws, it leads the nation as the most violent city, this city has a whopping 7.8 percemt of all gun related deaths in the USA. mind you that if just the state of illinois had that rate it would be rediculous...
blame the guns all you want but letting fear guide your life and persuade your intellect into failing is not very becoming...
if you really want to use intellect to approach gun control then by all means do... there is a catch, once you start using facts it all becomes real simple, and sudenly gun control is not near as important as your emotions lead you to believe.
Originally posted by bigsun11
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Originally posted by muse7
Pretty conflicting don't you think? You say they crafted the constitution with god's help and yet they decided to throw in the separation of church and state? Also it's a very well documented fact that the majority of the founding fathers were secular when it came to religious beliefs.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
Originally posted by slugger9787
Originally posted by bigsun11
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Originally posted by LeaderOfProgress
Originally posted by SpearMint
Originally posted by Ayjay47
reply to post by muse7
I see. You made your opinion very clear, but what if I were to tell you that it's completely and utterly wrong? Just because a pyscho with a gun pulls the trigger on innocents does not mean that the reasons for the second amendment are unsound. If citizens kill other citizens, then you can bet that the citizens themselves are the problem. You can't blame guns - they only kill what they are aimed and fired at. Which should only be aggressors, of course.
Guns make it easier in so many ways, and they give opportunities. The easier it's made to carry out and get away with, the more likely it is to happen. The citizens may be violent, and they are to blame, but it's made very easy for them. Homicide rates reflect this.edit on 3-6-2013 by SpearMint because: (no reason given)
homocide rates where? oh thats right, homocide rates in the most gun controling cities and states... lets pick one... chicago, some of the stricktest gun laws, it leads the nation as the most violent city, this city has a whopping 7.8 percemt of all gun related deaths in the USA. mind you that if just the state of illinois had that rate it would be rediculous...
blame the guns all you want but letting fear guide your life and persuade your intellect into failing is not very becoming...
if you really want to use intellect to approach gun control then by all means do... there is a catch, once you start using facts it all becomes real simple, and sudenly gun control is not near as important as your emotions lead you to believe.
Originally posted by IRockTheBox
Originally posted by muse7
Pretty conflicting don't you think? You say they crafted the constitution with god's help and yet they decided to throw in the separation of church and state? Also it's a very well documented fact that the majority of the founding fathers were secular when it came to religious beliefs.
That is an outright lie and you know it. I swear, you Liberals/Atheists and your revisionist history. Can't you be honest about anything, or are you just following the example set by your messiah, the Liar-in-Chief and his butt buddy Eric Holder?
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Originally posted by muse7
Pretty conflicting don't you think? You say they crafted the constitution with god's help and yet they decided to throw in the separation of church and state? Also it's a very well documented fact that the majority of the founding fathers were secular when it came to religious beliefs.
It's freedom from a State Religion...Ala, the Church Of England, which was still very fresh in the minds of the Founders.
Also.... They were secular, in their personal religion? Where do you get this nonsense?
(Source)
42 accounted for. 42 with religion. The Founders had a variety of religious affiliation and I believe a couple of the bunch really did have neutral affiliation, if it can be put that way. Secular though? Documented Fact? Please document your fact...and lets compare it to this.
Those are the Presidents back to Washington with their Religious affiliation, by name.
Originally posted by Fromabove
1. Guns do not kill people, people do.
Originally posted by TheFlash
Originally posted by Fromabove
1. Guns do not kill people, people do.
To people who use this cliché I ask - so then why do you need guns?
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Originally posted by TheFlash
Originally posted by Fromabove
1. Guns do not kill people, people do.
To people who use this cliché I ask - so then why do you need guns?
So that people with guns can't kill me as easily.
I certainly don't buy a gun to protect myself from firearms that are just laying on a table wholly unused. They are inanimate.
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by TheFlash
You are right. A gun sitting on the table does me no good. It is why i typically carry a .40 on me. And it does nothing until I do.
Originally posted by TheFlash
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by TheFlash
You are right. A gun sitting on the table does me no good. It is why i typically carry a .40 on me. And it does nothing until I do.
You clearly fail to comprehend the point I am trying to make nor its irony so I will spell it out for you.
You admit that bearing a firearm makes for a much more effective scenario when it comes to self defense, yet you would deny that the fact that when someone is bearing a firearm, by the same token, it makes him a much more effective, lethal killer.