Secret court jails father for sending son 21st birthday greeting on Facebook after he was gagged fro

Originally posted by gladtobehere
reply to post by Cobaltic1978

 

Its probably easier if the establishment has Brits focusing on other perceived threats, like Moslems, rather than on the government, which actually has the power to strip them of their rights and liberties.

The government has confiscated the people's right to bear arms. Apparently there is one camera per every 32 Brits. In another thread, it was said that the average Brit pays 75% in taxes. And now we learn of secret courts...

But you guys should worry about those Moslems...

edit on 2-6-2013 by gladtobehere because: (no reason given)

1 camera for every 32 people? With everyone having an iPhone or some other smart phone nowadays that doesn't seem right.. maybe they meant actual cameras, otherwise that number sounds way off. As far as the secret courts go, those are news to me as well, never heard of them before. And what's a gagging order preventing him from naming his son in public? Does that mean he's not allowed to even acknowledge this kid as his son or he just can't use the kids name at all or what? I have never heard of anything like that either. Sometimes I am truly glad to be in the USA, until we lose the few liberties we have left also I suppose.

We each get to play what lawyers and judges call "the game". As part of playing this game, lawyers and judges just twist words around in order to produce any excuse, however flimsy, to achieve their objective. “Casino Courts“ the odds are in favor of the Courts 84 - 16... these lawyers and judges signed a deal with the devil!

Double Bind: the nature of a double bind is that the person cannot confront the inherent dilemma, and therefore can neither comment on the conflict, nor resolve it, nor opt out of the situation.

Duplicity: it is saying one thing and doing (or meaning) another… and doing it intentionally, in order to deceive.

"The law is the new priesthood, it puts law makers into everything, it’s the ultimate backstage pass."
(John Milton) Devils Advocate

It’s really unsettling, almost a form of Stockholm syndrome, to be held hostage and to cling to the captors while buying into their false set of rules.

You can't whitewash it, the Judicial System has to change!

The Game, Lottery Of Life, Casino Courts, Priesthood... Whatever!!!

Originally posted by tinner07
I bet they would never try that with a Muslim though would they? but why? The Muslim community is closely knit? has their lawyers ready to pounce on any (seemingly) anti-Muslim action? So the law enforcement community tends to handle Muslims with kid gloves.

But seriously, I don't know about "secret courts" but I do know a bit about court orders. If you break them you are subject to the courts...short story.

If he broke the court order he is subject to the punishment of the court...right or wrong it is a court order.

EXACTLY! While I detest numerous things, such as the misogyny, of Islam, I will say This much for them,

They in NO WAY BOW to Heathen demon Worshippers such as those who run UKs courts, and if they Ever dared to rip Islamic families, communities OR Anyone, from their god,

They would have their Heads, literally! And you know something,

On THAT, they are Absolutely right...and the Western oppressed could learn a few things from them, very much so. Just let some persimmon sucking looking demon woman court whore tell a Muslim father or mother that they must never speak to their children...

And that would be the last thing the court whore would say.

But now Westerners, we've been Brai washed to defer to court thugs as "gods" or as "gods spokespeople" when in fact they are NOT,

They are simply murdering child thieving thugs who bully people and destroy families and individuals. As for this father,

I think him and his sins should tell the courts where they can shove their gag order...IF there was abuse, the Sons themselves at That age could very well themselves say, they don't want to see him, etc., but it doesn't sound as if this is the case...like one said earlier, sounds more like gov trafficking to demon whores,

Are covering their tracks...when the EVIL is obvious, then we have a DUTY to NOT obey,

Government is NOT GOD.

On This, I can say, I RESPECT Islam for NOT COWERING...very much so.

Originally posted by rabidjackrussell
We each get to play what lawyers and judges call "the game". As part of playing this game, lawyers and judges just twist words around in order to produce any excuse, however flimsy, to achieve their objective. “Casino Courts“ the odds are in favor of the Courts 84 - 16... these lawyers and judges signed a deal with the devil!

Double Bind: the nature of a double bind is that the person cannot confront the inherent dilemma, and therefore can neither comment on the conflict, nor resolve it, nor opt out of the situation.

Duplicity: it is saying one thing and doing (or meaning) another… and doing it intentionally, in order to deceive.

"The law is the new priesthood, it puts law makers into everything, it’s the ultimate backstage pass."
(John Milton) Devils Advocate

It’s really unsettling, almost a form of Stockholm syndrome, to be held hostage and to cling to the captors while buying into their false set of rules.

You can't whitewash it, the Judicial System has to change!

The Game, Lottery Of Life, Casino Courts, Priesthood... Whatever!!!

Very true...

The Ancients, would have handeled these vermin differently,

They would have hunted down their (court thugs) children and for Every innocent child, victim the thugs did harm to, the ancients would have repaid...one by one.
And thing is, IT WORKED.

Now days, court whores Have nothing to fear from the people, victims...they can rape, TRAFFICK, kill, destroy with impunity AND then have the nerve to demand reverence and worship...

Where as the ancients, would NEVER forget NOR REST

Till Justice was done. Eye for an EYE

Funny how when that was done away with, EVIL flourished. maybe ancie ts were on to something....

Nothing to see here folks... Please move along.. move along...

Woops.. don't take me away.... I was only chatting on ATS...

ahhhhhh....

Originally posted by Cobaltic1978

Secret court jails father for sending son 21st birthday greeting on Facebook after he was gagged from naming him

www. dailymail.co.uk

A father has been jailed at a secret court hearing for sending a Facebook message to his grown-up son on his 21st birthday.

Garry Johnson, 46, breached a draconian gagging order which stops him publicly naming his son, Sam, whom he has brought up and who still lives with him.


In a case which is certain to fuel concerns about Britain’s shadowy network of secret courts, a judge sent the former music executive to prison for contempt at a closed-doors family court hearing in Essex at the beginning of last month.

He was not arrested by police or even represented by a lawyer.

The

(visit the link for the full news article)

What a great example it is of why you shouldn't break the law, eh?

Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by terriblyvexed

 

The vindictiveness of some spouses is off the charts . . . usually women more than men, it seems to me.

I can second that with personal experience. It's a lot like they think they are entitled to make your life miserable because things simpy didn't work out. Hell hath no fury like a women scorned.

Originally posted by Rosinitiate

Originally posted by BO XIAN
reply to post by terriblyvexed

 

The vindictiveness of some spouses is off the charts . . . usually women more than men, it seems to me.

I can second that with personal experience. It's a lot like they think they are entitled to make your life miserable because things simpy didn't work out. Hell hath no fury like a women scorned.

The Problem, in THIS, one particular case however as for placing blame on a vindictive woman, or man for that matter, is that....

Parental alienation via the abusive court whores may work when kids are YOUNG, but now, as adults, kids that is, then THEY at least, have the ability to decide for themselves, and IF it was/is a case of one parent, male or female it works both ways in these types of cases, forbidding the other parent access to child, etc.,

Eventually that CHILD now ADULT is going to resent one parent exerting that kind of extreme control AND it's a Guaranteed way, for the alienating parent, make or female, to LOSE that child/children FOREVER....because you can't CONTROL children FOREVER....

Children DO GROW UP and they DO wonder about BOTH parents...let this be a Warning to any male or female who are alienating child/children for reasons OTHER THAN SEVERE ABUSE. In other words,

If This was a case where a Selfish parent, in this case mother, was Usng the court whore system to "control and abuse the spouse by proxy" and that IS WHAT this type of Behavior is, then that parent, one day will have to contend with some very Livid children now adults IF they ever find out the Truth...and when those children now adults DO find out TRUTH, they usually disown the lying parent. Only in cases of extreme brainwashing, which sadly happens, especially in foster/kidnap type of cases, but Even then,

The child always wonders,

The Damage it causes the child is just unreal. And I Guarantee you,

The Father, IF he was a victim (or vice versa) of a parent lying and demonizing him only to serve selfish aims, etc., will be vindicated...one day.

I will say, by experience, that Narcissists who abuse through courts Children, Usually are Abusive to the children themselves because their motive is NEVER about protecting children IN THESE TYPES of ABUSE BY PROXY cases, male or female, but about "CONTROL" which includes control over children, even Into their adulthood lives.

men who abuse by proxy, typically wind up murdering children or ex or both, Narcissists, or they remarry and lose interest as they have new targets...same goes for many women...Court whores, abuse for Ritualized blood baths and sacrificial Profit, as well as maintaining a State Terrorism against the masses of slaves they rule over, like the demon minions scum they are....

This is why Court whore narcissists get along so well with little versions of themselves, the parent narcissist. Of course it's the Children who suffer, BUT once those children are grown and begin to QUESTION their Roots, and they do, IF EVER, one little thing comes out that causes Reasonable Doubt that their lives have all but been a Lie caused by a selfish parent or murdering System,

Believe me, they WILL NOT FORGIVE that lying parent, don't matter if it's mother or father...they may Tolerate them from a sense of Duty, but forgive,

No. And the relationship is forever broken, the SAD part, is when the adult child realizes that they were nothing more than Pawns for the ABUSIVE Parent,

And the system that enabled, assisted, and profited from those deceptions. I really hate, and I do mean hate, a so called judicial system that is "supposed" to represent righteousness, not just law, like many claim well it's law you shouldn't break it, those types would bow to Satan (example) in a heartbeat if it were a Law to do so, ignoring Natural Law which is Much HIGHER than little peon man, and Always repercussions for obeying such evil, always...because the damage due to evil unnatural laws like this case is that the damage is far more reaching than just this father, or his son...it will reach those Sons families and children and grandchildren...effecting whole societies,

And these filth minions and their coward weak supporters Know it. But rest assured, they are storing up WRATH for themselves, and one day, the scorned, those harmed by narcissists, will rise, and there will be a Winepress...guaranteed. Violate the natural laws of LOVE, expect HELL in return...And often by the Children, the ones who were lied to....ONLY, in cases where there really IS abuse, would alienation ever be justified, however, in these cases, the motive is not vindictive, and usually simply being safe, is all concerned parent wants for child, they don't seek high amounts of money, often no money at all, and they don't seek to demonize other parent Because when parents DO that, the child internalized that, because they are Part of that parent...that's "key" to discerning, parents who go out of their way to Demonize the other parent (abuse don't need to, child Already knows) by proxy, etc., does More damage to child as child always thinks...well if my parent is demon, then I am too...That isn't Love for a child. But Narcissists don't CARE, they really don't...it's ALL about THEM and ONLY THEM, and the Court whore system LOVES these types of EVIL folk because they literally hand over children to be sacrificed...it IS a form of Witchcraft and Sorcery, for Profit and POWER, kid you not. But, having been a victim of this...both my brother and me, we learned the Truth about our father, after he died...even after ALL that time, we found out...my mother, died alone, with two children, who knew, and he at least in much part, was vindicated, her, not so much. But then you see, her Behavior towards us over all those years, spoke volumes...wouldn't matter What courts said or did...the TRUTH.....ALWAYS, comes out, ALWAYS. Even before he (our father, whom we hadn't seen or spoke to since I was six) died, both of us, knew deep down inside, that not all we were told meshed, actions speak louder than words, so let this be a WARNING to Narcissist Parents, you are NOT FOOLING YOUR KIDS...no way, they can see Right through your lies, and like my mother, you will wind up, dying alone, and your kids...won't care, they just won't. You reap....what you sow.

Originally posted by TheFlash

Originally posted by Cobaltic1978

Secret court jails father for sending son 21st birthday greeting on Facebook after he was gagged from naming him

www. dailymail.co.uk

A father has been jailed at a secret court hearing for sending a Facebook message to his grown-up son on his 21st birthday.

Garry Johnson, 46, breached a draconian gagging order which stops him publicly naming his son, Sam, whom he has brought up and who still lives with him.


In a case which is certain to fuel concerns about Britain’s shadowy network of secret courts, a judge sent the former music executive to prison for contempt at a closed-doors family court hearing in Essex at the beginning of last month.

He was not arrested by police or even represented by a lawyer.

The

(visit the link for the full news article)

What a great example it is of why you shouldn't break the law, eh?

f the law, when it comes to EVIL unnatural laws such as this one, they are Clearly illegite laws and ones that defy Nature herself and therefore it is a DUTY TO DISOBEY THEM and EVEN REVOLT!

UNTIL the STATE impregnates a woman or shoots through the Testicles of a father, they are NOT THE PARENT----

PERIOD.

They are NOT GOD, I REPEAT, THE STATE IS NOT GOD!

If you are STUPID enough to BOW to the STATE as GOD then you get Everything you deserve from them, so hand them your Soul,

As for this Father, HE IS MORALLY RIGHT and WILL BE VINDICATED...

The Minute the STATE PLAYS GOD and DESTROYS the bonds of LOVE between father/son or mother/son, or father/daughter or mother/daughter WITHOUT JUST CAUSE

They've just entered HELL and mark my words one day there will be vengeance on those who do such Evil...

That isn't mans law, that is the LAW OF THE UNIVERSE...

We've seen it time and time again, LOVE WINS

EVERY

TIME.

All these stupid minions of the secret court did, is CURSED themselves and their descendants...FOOLS, they are FOOLS.

If those children/sons ever cry out, find out, TRUTH, justice, the REAL KIND, won't rest

Till the blood of the court whores and their Minion followers, is spilt, that's just the way of the unseen JUSTICE

Which is WAY HIGHER than any pissy man made system...

Wait and see.

PROOF?

Well, it got Out now didn't it? So much for their all encompassing GOD POWERS OF SECRECY! Their demonic filthy ways got Leaked out,

So there LAWS are ILLEGITIAMATE, and UNJUST...they ABUSE law and PERVERT JUSTICE

May the Universal powers of True Justice, DESTROY every single one of these court whore evil doers...one hundred fold.

Obviously a HIGHER JUSTICE agrees, because it takes LIGHT to expose the hidden works of Darkness, and their Secret Courts, have all been busted for the WORLD TO SEE what these Sorcerers do

May the gates of hades prepare a place for them...

Because the Furies are hungry...

Firstly, this is the Daily Mail. The DM sensationalises stories. The DM is a joke.

Secondly, this is through the Family Court system. Some aspects of the Family Court are not held in public because of the sensitivity of the type of material being discussed. We do not know the detailed domestic situation here, or why the man was sent to gaol. We do know that he was in contempt, meaning he had done something he was told not to do. Therefore, serves him right.

People who think this is the end of justice in the UK need to do some further work over and above the typical Daily Mail journalism.

Regards

Why do people keep mentioning muslims and guns? Neither are related to this case.

Originally posted by paraphi
Firstly, this is the Daily Mail. The DM sensationalises stories. The DM is a joke.

Secondly, this is through the Family Court system. Some aspects of the Family Court are not held in public because of the sensitivity of the type of material being discussed. We do not know the detailed domestic situation here, or why the man was sent to gaol. We do know that he was in contempt, meaning he had done something he was told not to do. Therefore, serves him right.

People who think this is the end of justice in the UK need to do some further work over and above the typical Daily Mail journalism.

Regards

BULL!

It would be One thing, if this was just a Rare occurrence, regarding the sinister Sorcerer family (lol) mock courts of the UK, or the US for that matter...

But FACT is, it's NOT a rare case, there are THOUSANDS of these cases and the TRUTH is coming out about these totalitarian Nazi like SCUMBAGS...who are Perverting justice systems to instill evil AGENDAS that are Direly

HOSTILE TO HUMANITY, ESPECIALLY CHILDREN

And Numerous of these TRUTH TELLERS

Are the VERY CHILDREN THEMSELVES...

These anti family and pedophile demon WOrshipping Courts/systems are not new, they've been around for many, many years, the thing IS though that NOW the VICTIMS who HAVE survived, are now GROWN and are EXPOSING them for the FILTH they truly are,

Not one here, one there, but Hundreds, all over the place and no amount of police state thuggery is going to SHUT THEM OR US UP...

WE KNOW what they are all about, I'm ONE of those CHILDREN, I Lived in one of the STATES Children's Homes at the age of FOURTEEN I saw myself,

How they LIE, ABUSE and KILL KIDS.....all in the name of PROTECTION,

Filthy LIARS, every one of them.

naive Evil people who worship the STATE do so because they love their materialism and their False righteousness,

But you CAN'T LIE TO KIDS and GET AWAY WITH IT FOREVER...

There are LEGIONS OF US...WE KNOW,

Why do you think they Always target ex foster children? To keep their dirty little secrets behind closed doors That's why,

They are worse scum than the Pimp on the street...in fact they are RELATED.

You can FOOL the naive zombies,

You Can't fool, those of us who know these court whore types and their evil Child Protection RACKET of TRAFFICKERS and PEDOWANKS

Because WE know them Intimately.

We Kniw their Mengele mind games, their racketeering, their Ritual lies and religions, all of it...

The thing is, that Now the WORLD is beginning to see it, because the LEGIONS are bursting at the seams,

What? Did they really think the slaves would be blinded forever?

NEVER...

We out number them, and they Know it. Why they want to annihilate the masses, to protect their slimy nasty parasitical asses,

But one day, the dam will burst, it will. You can only fool the masses for so long...and you Can't kill then all...eventually, the residue

The State minions created, the monsters, will one day, turn and eat their masters.

They made their bed...one day, the bed will be full of iniquity, and their own Creations, will devour them...

It's already happening. Play with FIRE, expect to get BURNED...

(spiritual wisdom will get this, FOOLS never do)

The Family court system in the UK is open to abuse because of the secrecy.
Yes obviously the original idea was to protect children involved in these cases, but there are many many of these cases, where the people involved cannot get help because they are forbidden to talk about it.

There was another case a coule of years ago where social services tried to prevent a couple from marrying, and remove their newborn son, as they claimed the woman involved had l;earning diffculties.

they fled to Ireland where the case became public.

It is not only men who ae the victim of these cases, not sure why reasonable adults would start on some women hating tirade because of this one case.

also not sure why people brought up Muslims, but Moslem is also an acceptable spelling.

Originally posted by Cobaltic1978
reply to post by ShadellacZumbrum

 

Unfortunately the U.K has taken a step back to the middle ages with the decision to implement these secret courts.

There has been discussion in the MSM, but now we are seeing the results of these courts being introduced, hopefully this will raise awareness amongst the general public. This decision needs to be reversed and reversed quickly.

The whole world is taking a step back to the Middle Ages. I would expect to see more Draconian rule from elites who somehow got the green light to not be held accountable to the people anymore.

I would expect to see a wide gap appear between the Elites and the People.

Originally posted by setibuddies
A LIFETIME length gag-order, and some people are sanguine with that? Okay..

That's the problem!

The question is, why would a judge do such a thing? It makes no sense to me and according to the OP article isn't normal:

Normally, a gagging order imposed by a family court judge on a parent expires at the same time as a care order on the child. This one did not.

Why didn't it expire at adulthood like they normally do?

I'm not sure if any explanation the judge has is good enough, though I'd be interested to hear what it is.

reply to post by Cobaltic1978


So, he was jailed for violating a court ordered gag order, which he was aware of.

The fact that he used facebook is irrelevant, correct?

Not too bright

The government has confiscated the people's right to bear arms. Apparently there is one camera per every 32 Brits.

reply to post by gladtobehere


No it hasn't, and no, there isn't. Perhaps you should worry first about your own Muslim problem, first and foremost the "guy" in the Whitehouse!

Unfortunately, the Brits never really had much in the way of a Bill of Rights and Liberties, like the Constitution or US Bill of Rights.

reply to post by babybunnies


You do realise where the US Bill of Rights has its origins, yes? Apparently not.

reply to post by Cobaltic1978


That judge should be made sit the bar again

hell have no fury as a woman scorned

Originally posted by Sankari
This is a closed court, not a 'secret court.' Closed hearings are nothing new.

The gag order is the result of an acrimonious divorce with the father's ex-wife, who sounds like a complete nutter to me.

Yes, it's ludicrous. Utterly stupid. It shouldn't be happening. But he broke the law, which is why he's now in jail:

A spokesman said of the courts: ‘It is very rare for anyone to be imprisoned for contempt of court and it only ever happens in extreme circumstances when a person has continually disregarded legally binding requirements made by the court and clearly communicated to them.

So I guess the lesson here is: if you break the law, and persist in doing so, you will go to jail. Right or wrong, that's the outcome.

Originally posted by ShadellacZumbrum
Who made this Decision?

A judge. Read the article.

and was it Public Knowledge beforehand?

Was what public knowledge before hand? The gag order, or the fact that contempt of court can result in jail time?

Family court hearings are often closed, due to the sensitivity of the details and the desire of all parties for privacy. Nobody wants their personal problems dragged through the tabloids.

edit on 2/6/13 by Sankari because: typo...

i was just doing my job