Hollywood says "too Gay?"

well folx.. it's time to move to other topics.

I wish the convesations had been more constructive instead of all the mud slinging and the missed points.

Colbe, I'm sorry your topic got so derailed here. I didn't mean to contribute. I still dont know why I bothered to continue. I am sorry.


Gnight!

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So if you were walking down the street and saw two guys kissing, you'd assume they were just friends? If not, then why set a double standard with David and Jonathon?

Oh, because it's in the bible.

Originally posted by theRhenn
Why would it be cool to me to have a bunch of gay guys around me? I think that would be uncomfortable. Just as uncomphortable as a bunch of strait guys around 1 woman, I would imagine.

Obligatory opening statement: I'm straight and I'm more than comfortable with my unwavering heterosexuality.

Comment 1: You clearly have quite the opinion of yourself. It's funny, many times in my life I've been in the presence of a female stranger and thought "Oh yeah, she's checking me out." Never have I worried about a dude doing the same.

Comment 2: I've never really hung around with anyone who was gay to my knowledge. That wasn't due to any efforts on my part, but was probably more of a statement about the type of people I always had around me during my formative years. In hindsight, and now as a happily married man, my success rate with the ladies would have probably been a lot better back in college if I'd had a few gay friends around. Less mice means more cheese, my friend.

Originally posted by theRhenn

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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It was cool to live in because anywhere else was pillaged and conquered by them, kind of like the Hebrews back in the day. Rome spread pretty far without god on their side do t you think? They weren't officially "believers" until the 4th century, yet their blasphemous city was allowed to grow and grow and grow for over a thousand years.

I guess having a bunch of gay guys around you would be cool to you? Why are you so against homosexuality then?

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Catholic Rome was allowed to kill innocent people for a thousand years. I dont have the answers to that and I dont pretend to know. Why aren't there prophets for 2000 years? I dont know. Why no new testaments, no writings on the walls since back then.. I dont know. Perhaps there needed to be such things to test faith. There was always that test of faith. Still, I dont have those answers. It's above me and what I know.

Why would it be cool to me to have a bunch of gay guys around me? I think that would be uncomfortable. Just as uncomphortable as a bunch of strait guys around 1 woman, I would imagine. But then.. perversion today says that would be cool in her eyes (for many woman) and the same the other way around.

I am against homosexuality because it is a sin and I believe it only perverts others that would not have come to that point except by way of allowing it to be considered ok and moral and so open as it's become.

It's like this... the more we allow in the world that is once considered bad, you open the world up to worse and I feel that is what's happened here. If i say it's like one day allowing Pedophilia to be ok, and someone saying that you cant compare the two... I say yes. Homosexuality was once thought of as bad as Pedophilia is today. I'm sorry, that's just how I see it. You can disagree but I just dont believe otherwise. Caniballism was once found ok in cultures around the world but isnt ok today, but one day, it might be again.

The more you let your moral compass falture, the more morals will fail.

Your first sentence is a grand statement with no facts. Name them. I've read the same a thousand
times from anti-Catholics. Everything you know of Christ less the Old Testament prophecies come from
the Catholic Church. Your Bible is a Catholic book. God wants you to become Roman Catholic, the
Remnant is Roman Catholic Rhenn.

I say this in love, run from anti-Catholic writings. Read what the Church truly teaches, it lines up perfectly
with the Apostles. Why? Apostolic Succession. Jesus planned it that way, we can know.
There have been prophets from the beginning. See, an unbroken line. You question, wonder, I do not know why,
maybe because the history you have been taught began October 31, 1517?

I am glad you brought up prophecy, it is listed second in 1 Cor 12:28. God makes His plan more explicit
via prophecy. God speaks to His chosen messengers every day. You are on the right track, come all
the way, accept the fullness of God's revelation. Believe in the Eucharist. Oh, the grace given in Catholicism,
just remember okay>>?


love,

colbe

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by theRhenn

 

You don't know, but you accept it anyways. That's called blind faith. You believe in something you do not understand, that is a dangerous thing to do.

So Rome was a pretty bad tree then I guess? Jesus said that bad trees do not bear good fruit. Rome was the most rotten tree of its time, so why would god choose it to bear good fruit?

Probably because what it promoted was bad fruit (bible) coming from a bad tree (Rome). I don't see any reason why Jesus would say that then renege it after his death. God doesn't change does he? Your belief implies that he does.

You're the one who said it would be cool to live there. If it was full of gay people then what makes you think it would have been cool?

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I dont believe in anything I dont understand. I accept that some things might be out of reach for me, but unless it has anything to do with my belief foundation, it's ok that I dont understand. I can take educated guesses. Like i said before, I can use the basis of what I know from the bible and apply it after the fact. if it doesnt make sense, I search for an answer untill it does. And most often, if not all times, the answer comes. I do believe in an interacting God, and find my answers through him in many ways. But my basis still comes from what I know from the bible and I accept those words as truth.

Rome wasn't all bad. Alot of decent things came from Rome and no it wasn't all full of gays. You'd have to show me otherwise to prove that it did.

When i said rome was a cool place, I mean in the sense of metaphore. It was the daddy of cities at it's height. Cool like in people think it's cool to be in the US.


Anyways.. good talk!

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Ruth and Naomi were lovers

"Ruth loved Naomi as Adam loved Eve." Ruth 1:14

It's not only me that considers David and Jonathan as having been lovers.

Tom Horner (Jonathan Loved David, 1978) Wrote that the story of David and Jonathan was simply a retelling of the homosexual relationship between Gilgamesh, king of Uruk, and Enkidu, his close companion.

David Mace (Hebrew Marriage, 1953) Wrote that the relationship was an example of “the comparatively harmless homosexual attachments of adolescence”

Jonathan Kirsch (King David: The Real Life of the Man Who Ruled Israel, 2000) Wrote that “something more heartfelt and more carnal may have characterized the love of David and Jonathan, even if the Bible dares not speak its name. … Much effort has been expended in explaining away David’s declaration of love for Jonathan, a declaration that suggests an undeniable homoerotic subtext.”

The Bible gives us two examples of homosexual love, and doesn't condemn it, but celebrates it.

On topic of the Movie which i assumed was the topic discussed,

what is too straight than? it was a movie about homosexuals, just as countless movies have been about heterosexual relationships, did anyone say that movie is 'too Straight'

i would never call someone homophobic if they didn't fancy to watch it, it's a picture about someones life, if you find him uninteresting no fault to you, but if you refuse to watch it simple because it's about 'Gays' and that is the only reason you refuse to watch it why allow 'Straight' movies than?

in the last two days i have been accused of being a defect, a mutation, a virus, the cause of demoralization of the earth, the cause of halting reproduction, and that the nicer things said,

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I know you're not going to reply, but I noticed you said to accept the Eucharist. The Eucharist consists of eating a wafer then drinking wine.

Revelation 18
3 For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries. The kings of the earth committed adultery with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries."

This is in reference to the whore of Babylon. Catholicism turned Jesus into the whore, and they make you drink her wine during Eucharist. That connection is pretty obvious in my opinion, not to mention Revelation 12 being about Mary, Jesus, and Rome.

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If it's out of your reach then you do not understand it. Why put faith into something you do not understand? You just admitted you do not understand it, yet you still believe it.

Rome was mostly bad, meaning it was a bad tree. No doubt about that at all. They were the most blood-thirsty empire in history. Good fruit does not come from bad trees, and Rome was a very very rotten tree, to the core.

3NLIGHT, The Rhenn, everyone reading this thread.

Pope Francis says it so lovingly. Remember, this is why you have to become Catholic. And Jesus said
Satan will not overcome My Church. His promise is forever. Protestant and Catholic prophecy says the
Remnant is Roman Catholic. Promise me you will, before, okay, when God shows you personally, you
will give your "yes" and become Catholic.

“You cannot find Jesus outside the Church ... It is the Mother Church who gives us Jesus,
who gives us the identity that is not only a seal, it is a belonging."

In challenging Catholics to be more stalwart and rigid, yes rigid in their faith he said ..
“But when we start to cut down the Faith, to negotiate Faith, a little like selling it to the
highest bidder, we take the path of apostasy, of disloyalty to the Lord.”

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by theRhenn

 

If it's out of your reach then you do not understand it. Why put faith into something you do not understand? You just admitted you do not understand it, yet you still believe it.

Rome was mostly bad, meaning it was a bad tree. No doubt about that at all. They were the most blood-thirsty empire in history. Good fruit does not come from bad trees, and Rome was a very very rotten tree, to the core.

Parrots. Now 3NLIGHT is repeating, it must be true..."Rome was mostly bad", I hope you mean
the Roman Empire not the faith which is based in Rome. It is prophesied in the OT, God would place
the faith in sinning Rome. His plan, His ways are perfect.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6

Originally posted by theRhenn
Why would it be cool to me to have a bunch of gay guys around me? I think that would be uncomfortable. Just as uncomphortable as a bunch of strait guys around 1 woman, I would imagine.

Obligatory opening statement: I'm straight and I'm more than comfortable with my unwavering heterosexuality.

Comment 1: You clearly have quite the opinion of yourself. It's funny, many times in my life I've been in the presence of a female stranger and thought "Oh yeah, she's checking me out." Never have I worried about a dude doing the same.

Comment 2: I've never really hung around with anyone who was gay to my knowledge. That wasn't due to any efforts on my part, but was probably more of a statement about the type of people I always had around me during my formative years. In hindsight, and now as a happily married man, my success rate with the ladies would have probably been a lot better back in college if I'd had a few gay friends around. Less mice means more cheese, my friend.

First, let me say, thank you for the response.

To each his own. I'll say this and I know it'll be taken out of context, but I'll say it anyways. Anyone is welcome to take it how they see fit. it's their own opinion over my own.

I would not put myself in a group of crack addicts either. I would feel uncomfy there as well. Here is why..

I wouldn't be ok with being in the middle of a bunch of women. Why? Because I'm not a woman. The same goes for rap artists. I'm a metal head. Birds of a feather.. it's not my thing. I dont have much in common, whether you would think so or not, sure they might have like minded hobbies and what not.. but it's out of my element and my comfort zone would be compramised. I simply dont feel at ease because the doubt will always be there once you know.

When i was in the Army, showering around 20 guys in boot camp, it was weird doing it at first. But I never thought that someone might be gay. If I had, then I would have felt, I guess, like a woman would, bathing naked in front of a bunch of guys. Can this not apply to men also?

It just is what it is.

I'm comfortable in my masculinity. Anyone who says otherwise based on homosexuality is simply assuming anything other. Even if i was raised this way, no one else can claim that their family life is more correct than mine. You'll just have to look through a different pair of eyes. I feel things are this way by what I know and from what I've learned. To me, it is a sinful thing. To you it may not be, but my foundation is in something. If you claim to be athiest, then I can't really argue with your point of view. If you say you're a Christian, then I can because the basis, the very foundation of that origin of belief says otherwise.

I dont feel like I'm over opinionated of myself, and I dont feel like I have a very big ego or feel like I'm better than anyone else... quite the contrary. I'm very humbled, anyone that knows me in person knows that I go out of my way for other people, often putting myself lower than others around me. I dont put myself above gay people. I simply think the act is a sin. Nothing more, nothing less.

I have been to gay clubs. They have some really cool music and they're very friendly. When I see someone making out, I turn away and talk in another direction. When I see it getting too vulger for me, then I'll carry on to somewhere else. I have been because I do have family members that are gay and I do enjoy their company and their crazy ways, but the act itself is disturbing to me. When i look at a gay person, I dont associate their sexual behaviors. I look at the person untill their actions say otherwise. Being around a group of gay guys.. yes it makes me uneasy because I know their attractions and face it.. I'm a red head.. I dont like the "I love redheads" that I hear from many in the past.. Having that come to mind in that circle will have me heading out to people I can more relate to. Like.. a metal head at a head convention rather than a rap show.

I dont know how else to explain it. It's really simple. Being from the south, perhaps gays are more flamboyant. I dont know... Maybe it's just different. I, unlike you, had a handful of gay people around me.. not all at once but I can count a good many that I knew through various means... mostly lesbians though. Every one Ive ever met said that they rather strait girls because it was more of a challenge to convert. With that kind of knowledge... how can one not put that into relation when it comes to homosexuality? Ive had a few of the guys say the same because they admit it's exciting because of the "newness" and the innocense of strait guys.

if I had to take a poll from based on all of the gay/lesbian people in my life... You wouldn't like the answer's or "facts" I have discovered... You would just say it's innacurate.

Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by theRhenn

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by theRhenn

 

It was cool to live in because anywhere else was pillaged and conquered by them, kind of like the Hebrews back in the day. Rome spread pretty far without god on their side do t you think? They weren't officially "believers" until the 4th century, yet their blasphemous city was allowed to grow and grow and grow for over a thousand years.

I guess having a bunch of gay guys around you would be cool to you? Why are you so against homosexuality then?

edit on 1-6-2013 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)

Catholic Rome was allowed to kill innocent people for a thousand years. I dont have the answers to that and I dont pretend to know. Why aren't there prophets for 2000 years? I dont know. Why no new testaments, no writings on the walls since back then.. I dont know. Perhaps there needed to be such things to test faith. There was always that test of faith. Still, I dont have those answers. It's above me and what I know.

Why would it be cool to me to have a bunch of gay guys around me? I think that would be uncomfortable. Just as uncomphortable as a bunch of strait guys around 1 woman, I would imagine. But then.. perversion today says that would be cool in her eyes (for many woman) and the same the other way around.

I am against homosexuality because it is a sin and I believe it only perverts others that would not have come to that point except by way of allowing it to be considered ok and moral and so open as it's become.

It's like this... the more we allow in the world that is once considered bad, you open the world up to worse and I feel that is what's happened here. If i say it's like one day allowing Pedophilia to be ok, and someone saying that you cant compare the two... I say yes. Homosexuality was once thought of as bad as Pedophilia is today. I'm sorry, that's just how I see it. You can disagree but I just dont believe otherwise. Caniballism was once found ok in cultures around the world but isnt ok today, but one day, it might be again.

The more you let your moral compass falture, the more morals will fail.

Your first sentence is a grand statement with no facts. Name them. I've read the same a thousand
times from anti-Catholics. Everything you know of Christ less the Old Testament prophecies come from
the Catholic Church. Your Bible is a Catholic book. God wants you to become Roman Catholic, the
Remnant is Roman Catholic Rhenn.

I say this in love, run from anti-Catholic writings. Read what the Church truly teaches, it lines up perfectly
with the Apostles. Why? Apostolic Succession. Jesus planned it that way, we can know.
There have been prophets from the beginning. See, an unbroken line. You question, wonder, I do not know why,
maybe because the history you have been taught began October 31, 1517?

I am glad you brought up prophecy, it is listed second in 1 Cor 12:28. God makes His plan more explicit
via prophecy. God speaks to His chosen messengers every day. You are on the right track, come all
the way, accept the fullness of God's revelation. Believe in the Eucharist. Oh, the grace given in Catholicism,
just remember okay>>?


love,

colbe

I was playing to the crowd in here. I am a Catholic. I dont know what the Catholics REALLY did back then.. maybe there was justification. many will say they killed for power. Facts are few from the dark ages as we dont know a whole lot of what took place then. Even from times documented.. if they were like we document history today, I still wouldnt give it much thought because money makes history and I tend not to trust a lot unless I see it. I do love history but I find that I'm more easy with ancient history than the last thousand years.

I might not be a practicing Catholic, but I am one and hold alot of worth towards the teachings and I pray accordingly. I'm not perfect in my beliefs, but I do have a strong core belief in Jesus Christ and all that the bible says. The bible is not just Catholic. The dead sea scrolls taught me that. But I cannot deny much of what the Catholic church tries to do. It's probably the closest thing to Christs teachings than we have currently. Many other religions take away from the seriousness of it.

I also feel that I personaly dont know what the true religion is... So I just believe and hope I find truth and follow it accordingly, but I do follow as much of the bible as this wretched flesh can hold onto. Most of all, I do believe in the Dogma and mysteries and feel that they will unfold one day and all answeres will be opened for all to see... So I believe all things need.. must... be this way for a real reason. So I try to accept that what is, is for a purpose and lesson

Originally posted by theRhenn


I was playing to the crowd in here. I am a Catholic. I dont know what the Catholics REALLY did back then.. maybe there was justification. many will say they killed for power. Facts are few from the dark ages as we dont know a whole lot of what took place then. Even from times documented.. if they were like we document history today, I still wouldnt give it much thought because money makes history and I tend not to trust a lot unless I see it. I do love history but I find that I'm more easy with ancient history than the last thousand years.

I might not be a practicing Catholic, but I am one and hold alot of worth towards the teachings and I pray accordingly. I'm not perfect in my beliefs, but I do have a strong core belief in Jesus Christ and all that the bible says. The bible is not just Catholic. The dead sea scrolls taught me that. But I cannot deny much of what the Catholic church tries to do. It's probably the closest thing to Christs teachings than we have currently. Many other religions take away from the seriousness of it.

I also feel that I personaly dont know what the true religion is... So I just believe and hope I find truth and follow it accordingly, but I do follow as much of the bible as this wretched flesh can hold onto. Most of all, I do believe in the Dogma and mysteries and feel that they will unfold one day and all answeres will be opened for all to see... So I believe all things need.. must... be this way for a real reason. So I try to accept...

theRhenn,

Oops, I accidently deleted your last words.

Thanks! You took the time to explain to me after my last reply and you have helped others to see with your comments. Is it ever a spiritual battle. I am stuck at a certain point, a dry spell. It doesn't help all my faults. I have an Irish temper. I keep returning, to share the messages from Heaven because I experienced a powerful conversion via a particular message so I know they are true.

About your wondering if the RCC is the true faith. People use the word "religion" to help categorize their belief,
their belief by saying "religion" is man-made. Non-Christian beliefs too. God says there is only ONE
Faith in the Gospel (Eph 4:5), fits, God has one plan. Roman Catholicism proclaims she is it, no other "religion"
does. Catholicism has the Apostolic Succession, the complete history, the most miraculous. I am not
triumphant or righteous, I believe prophecy says what it says and the teachings of the faith, none of it conflicts
with the beliefs of the first Christians. People will argue forever the meaning of Scripture so read the quotes
of the men who knew the Apostles.

God wants everyone to be Catholic. He is going to show everyone in the world soon. Hang onto the faith, it is all going to unfold. In our lifetime.

I was really thinking you were a non-Catholic Christian, I went to look for a Protestant message from Heaven to post so you would see, God is preparing our brothers and sisters too. Glynda Lomax is Protestant but her
messages are posted on a couple of Catholic daily prophecy sites. Here it is...

www.wingsofprophey.blogspot.com...


God bless you Rhenn,

colbe

+ + +

TUESDAY, MAY 21, 2013
Many Lives Are Lost

My precious children, it is more important than ever now that you heed My words of warning to you. I will warn you of things to come, for I always tell My people what is coming, but you must listen, and obey Me.

Many lives are lost in an instant in a tragedy, many more in My judgments, but you, My precious children, shall be protected if you do not turn from My words to you.

Time is growing shorter and many of My people do not believe the lateness of the hour. I am giving you signs now that this is so. Those who watch and pray will see the signs and know. They are those who shall be ready for My Son’s return. They are those whose lamps will be full of oil.

Busy yourselves with Kingdom work, My children, for the time left to do My work is short now and you lay up for yourselves treasure as you work to bring your brothers and sisters into the Kingdom. Pray diligently and petition consistently for the salvation of the lost and of your loved ones, for I shall answer your prayers to save them! Great shall be your joy and you shall enjoy the fruits of your labor!

I hear your prayers and will answer. The times you don’t hear My voice, I am still near to you, watching you, working with you, loving you. You are all precious in My sight and I desire you would take full advantage of all My Son died to give you in these last days. I desire none of His sacrifice would be in vain.

Enjoy My blessings, children! Glorify Me in all you do! Lift high the Name of My Son Jesus and walk in His ways, that men may see and know Him.

I am going to retype Glynda Lomax's blog site. Sorry....

www.wingsofprophecy.blogspot.com...

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they wouldnt think that if they watched torchwood....

The "ChurchMilitant" video is idiotic and the presenter is also an idiot. His logic is that all that homosexuality is about is sex between two men. Therefore, by way of deductive reasoning, all that heterosexuality is about is sex between a man and a woman.

Thanks for posting this. I didn't know it was available and now I'm looking forward to seeing it.

Liberace Movie is HBO's Biggest Since 2004

As far as the OP's video... Well, Hollywood IS a corporation. They know how afraid some people are of seeing a movie like this on the big screen and what protests it would cause... Some day this country will be ready for it. But perhaps not quite yet. Brokeback Mountain faced a difficult audience.

In the OP's video, the Catholic Man (who I could only laugh at) claims homosexuality is all about sex... He repeats that several times. Sounds like he has some negative personal experience. Homosexuality, like heterosexuality, is about love, attraction, empathy, caring, and family. And, of course, there's usually sex.

Soderbergh used the phrase "too gay" to paraphrase the rejection. But besides being "too gay",

"Studios were going, 'We don't know how to sell it.' They were scared."

I can totally understand that, given the current fear and fight against marriage equality. They're bringing out the big guns! Catholic Man!

Actually, Hollywood's rejection may be the best thing that could have happened for the movie.

S ource

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by colbe

 

But you won’t be seeing this movie – not that you would want to – but you wont be seeing in US theaters anytime soon. The reason?

The reason is because it's an HBO film and it is streaming into millions of peoples homes, (where children are, gasp) instead of in movie theaters at the neighborhood mall.

That means HBO agreed to air it after the pitch. People pitch scripts to producers, and they are first sold to major production studios. If they reject them other places may agree to produce the film, in this case it would he HBO.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6

Originally posted by Astyanax
'Too gay' means it will die at the box-office, because so many Americans are homophobic and will not dare to watch a movie about real gay life. That's all. There is no moral judgement implied whatsoever.

I find that a bit of an unfairly broad brush stroke to paint with. Did it ever cross your mind that the vast majority of Americans under the age of 50 simply don't give a rat's ass about Liberace? I mean I'm a fairly well traveled, well versed person and the only time I can actually say I saw Liberace do anything whatsoever was when he appeared at Wrestlemania. I just think that, much like the race card, people are way too fast to play the homophobe card these days. Just because a person doesn't have an interest in the seeing the movie, doesn't make them homophobic, it makes them an individual with individual tastes in moves and entertainment.

I will agree with you on this. Most people really have no idea who Liberace is, let alone want to go see a movie about him. Maybe back when he died this movie would have been a good box office bet, but now not really. But on that same note the OP's original premise is just as generalized and flawed as this particular post. Has really nothing to do with it being "too gay", has everything to do with it's marketability.