Obama Administartion CUTS HOT MEALS for Troops serving in Afghanistan!

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by BubbaJoe

 

Trust me, he has more important things to think about,

Maybe the next vaction!

this decision was probably made at the O8 level, not even close to the president.

…Because flag grade officers have nothing but time for nonsense.

Yes I realize he is the commander in chief, but some of you all have no idea how the military works. Give me a freaking break.

It probably has something to do with sequester!

edit on 31-5-2013 by seabag because: (no reason given)

Honestly, I have seen you post some very intelligent stuff, but this doesn't cut it. This decision was made no where close to Obama, and you and I both know that. The OP's title and accusations were way off base. If some flag level officer or below made this decision, they made it for a reason that we are not privy too. Fox News and others grab stuff like this and paint the President with the worse brush possible, you and I both know this. While I voted for this President, he has disappointed me as well, but he is a damn site better than what the other side offered in the last election. Let's seriously cut the BS, and blame him for what he is truly responsible for, and let others take responsibility for what they are responsible for.

Originally posted by seabag
It’s strange how the rest of them knew what to do….

….Even the women with no hats.

Nothing strange about it. A lot of people put their hands over their hearts even though there's no requirement to do so. This is just an unofficial tradition. It doesn't make them any more respectful than people who don't do it.

I have already explained this. You're just ignoring the truth.

I didn’t think you understood.

I do understand. Ironically, I understand even better than you do.

If that doesn’t show disdain then I don’t know what would.

Then you're just plain ignorant. It doesn't show disdain at all. (No comment on the Bush photo? Yeah, I though not).

Even his staff got on his arse about that; hence the correction in subsequent pictures.

There was no 'correction in subsequent pictures.'

reply to post by BubbaJoe


Well thanks for the kind words and the rebuke!

The buck stops with the President. You didn’t think after 8 years of Bush Bashing that we’d give you a free freaking ride, did you?



The POTUS (COMMANDER IN CHIEF) should NEVER allow troops to go without anything...not gear...not supplies....nothing!! I don’t give a crap who gave the order. Do you know how fast Obama could fix this??

Meh…just keep apologizing!

Today's soldiers are extremely pampered compared to the soldiers about 40 years ago during the Vietnam era. Highly paid and pre-prepared meals, in a pouch (MREs). Soldiers of the Vietnam era got C-Rations (canned rations) and were not as well compensated in terms of pay.

I tried an MRE some time ago and discovered that the C-Rations were better because they were sealed in a can and less likely to spoil. Also, those little packs of Marlboros in every ration was a welcome sight.

There were also times when no food was available for short periods.

War times are nothing like what is glamorized in the movies. It is a miserable existence.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by BubbaJoe

 

Well thanks for the kind words and the rebuke!

The buck stops with the President. You didn’t think after 8 years of Bush Bashing that we’d give you a free freaking ride, did you?

The POTUS (COMMANDER IN CHIEF) should NEVER allow troops to go without anything...not gear...not supplies....nothing!! I don’t give a crap who gave the order. Do you know how fast Obama could fix this??

Meh…just keep apologizing!

I will agree that POTUS should never allow the troops to go without anything, but seems like in the 80's we had to bring toilet paper from home because the government was too freaking broke to buy it. Bush got bashed, but no one questioned his loyalty or citizenship. Even I never had that big of an issue with Bush, it was his choice of Cheney, and Cheney's connections to Haliburton, and it's subsidiaries that has always has my panties in a wad. Between Cheney and Rumsfeld, not sure which one of them deserves the waterboard more.

reply to post by eManym

Today's soldiers are extremely pampered compared to the soldiers about 40 years ago during the Vietnam era. Highly paid and pre-prepared meals, in a pouch (MREs). Soldiers of the Vietnam era got C-Rations (canned rations) and were not as well compensated in terms of pay.

What do you recommend, Sgt Maj? Should we go back to the 60’s pay rate and food?

Hell, why not issue the same crappy gear, too. We wouldn’t want anyone to get soft, would we? What was the casualty rate back then??

Stop patting yourself on the back.

At its peak the Vietnam War casualties were about 1200 per month, KIA.

reply to post by Sankari


"for the lulz"

Yeah.

From your posts it seems you don't really want to learn about conspiracies, or the arguments against them. I'm referring to a thread here you posted:


"Good. Illuminati conspiracy theories are complete nonsense and deserve to be ridiculed publicly."

From this you don't propose a counter argument, you just say that the theory is nonsense, and it actually deserves to be ridiculed.

And fringe benefit huh? So this is your day job?

reply to post by BubbaJoe

I will agree that POTUS should never allow the troops to go without anything, but seems like in the 80's we had to bring toilet paper from home because the government was too freaking broke to buy it. Bush got bashed, but no one questioned his loyalty or citizenship.

I wouldn’t know about the 80’s but I served during the Clinton and Bush years and we didn’t go without (at least no more than the Marine Corps usually goes without). I didn’t agree with everything but I never got dissed.

Even I never had that big of an issue with Bush, it was his choice of Cheney, and Cheney's connections to Haliburton, and it's subsidiaries that has always has my panties in a wad. Between Cheney and Rumsfeld, not sure which one of them deserves the waterboard more.

Well, that’s another debate. No administration is without fault.

My point was for 8 years the ‘sky was falling’ and Bush could do no right. I’m going to hold this POTUS to the same standard; turnabout is fair play!

Originally posted by eManym
At its peak the Vietnam War casualties were about 1200 per month, KIA.

While I have great respect for our Vietnam Vets, I served with some of them. To compare our conscripted military of the 60's and 70's to our all volunteer force of today is probably not a fair comparison. I served in the voluntary force but worked with and for those that had no choice, so I do have an idea of both sides.

reply to post by BubbaJoe


All my career (30+ years) I have had to pay out of my own pocket to provide me with what I thought I needed to make life comfortable in the field.

The military just provides the basics. I understood that, many didn't, but that is their problem.

To blame one POTUS or the other strikes me as asinine. I blame those glorified pencil pushers (REMFs).

This is where the blame really lies. Throw all sorts of cash at R&D that rarely pans out while the troops in the field suffer shortages.

My point was for 8 years the ‘sky was falling’ and Bush could do no right. I’m going to hold this POTUS to the same standard; turnabout is fair play!

I will agree with ya on this one, while I am not real partisan, I tend to vote my heart, and thus pretty liberal, at least socially. I hold the President to a pretty high standard myself, and this one has disappointed me as well. If the republicans wanted to beat him in 2012 they should have brought a better field of candidates.

Originally posted by TDawgRex
reply to post by BubbaJoe

 

All my career (30+ years) I have had to pay out of my own pocket to provide me with what I thought I needed to make life comfortable in the field.

The military just provides the basics. I understood that, many didn't, but that is their problem.

To blame one POTUS or the other strikes me as asinine. I blame those glorified pencil pushers (REMFs).

This is where the blame really lies. Throw all sorts of cash at R&D that rarely pans out while the troops in the field suffer shortages.

My career was only 7 years, and I agree with you whole heartedly. Sad part is, I sold to the military once I left it, so am fully aware of the horked up procurement process.

Originally posted by seabag
I wouldn’t know about the 80’s but I served during the Clinton and Bush years and we didn’t go without (at least no more than the Marine Corps usually goes without). I didn’t agree with everything but I never got dissed. Well, that’s another debate. No administration is without fault.

My point was for 8 years the ‘sky was falling’ and Bush could do no right. I’m going to hold this POTUS to the same standard; turnabout is fair play!

I miss the Reagen years....for one, I was younger.

But back then, if you needed a part to fix your Jeep, APC, Tank, M60, whatever. You got it.

During the Clinton years, we were told to drive it, shoot it, etc, until it broke. THEN, we'll fix it. Not before it was needed, but after.

It actually made for some dangerous situations.

This makes no sense. Maybe it's a Saturday only rule.

Men have a tendency to defect if they don't get their sammiches. Marines are no exception.

Originally posted by Kang69
From your posts it seems you don't really want to learn about conspiracies, or the arguments against them.

No, what you really mean is 'Your views are different to mine therefore I have arbitrarily decided that you don't really want to learn about conspiracies, or the arguments against them.'

The truth is that I have spent many hours reading this forum and learning a great deal.

For example, I read the entire 100-page OPPTthread.

I'm currently working my way through the 255-page 'Alleged NASA-Affiliated Astronomer Deciphers "Intelligence" Signal From Nearby Stars' thread.

I'm referring to a thread here you posted:

"Good. Illuminati conspiracy theories are complete nonsense and deserve to be ridiculed publicly."

From this you don't propose a counter argument, you just say that the theory is nonsense, and it actually deserves to be ridiculed.

You can't judge my motives on this forum from a single post. How absurd.

In threads where I think discussion is worthwhile, I discuss. In threads where I think discussion is not worthwhile, I do not discuss. In that particular thread I merely chose to voice my opinion. Last time I checked, it was legal to voice an opinion. Are you trying to silence my opinion?

And fringe benefit huh? So this is your day job?

No, merely a hobby. You amuse me. Still no comment on the Bush photo, I see...

Originally posted by TDawgRex

Originally posted by seabag
I wouldn’t know about the 80’s but I served during the Clinton and Bush years and we didn’t go without (at least no more than the Marine Corps usually goes without). I didn’t agree with everything but I never got dissed. Well, that’s another debate. No administration is without fault.

My point was for 8 years the ‘sky was falling’ and Bush could do no right. I’m going to hold this POTUS to the same standard; turnabout is fair play!

I miss the Reagen years....for one, I was younger.

But back then, if you needed a part to fix your Jeep, APC, Tank, M60, whatever. You got it.

During the Clinton years, we were told to drive it, etc, until it broke. THEN, we'll fix it. Not before it was needed, but after.

Weren't we all, sorry I couldn't resist.

reply to post by nighthawk1954


This is ridiculous!! When someone goes to jail or prison they are guaranteed 3 meals a day and a bed to sleep. If a prison were to only serve two meals a day because of budget cuts there would be public outcry about how that is cruel and unusual punishment and in-humane. However, if the very people who guarantee our freedom only get two meals a day because of budget cuts, that is just fine. Its crap like this that should really show the American people where the priorities of our government lye.

My only question is this. If we are going to make cuts, why not just bring the boys back home? Seems like that would save a lot of cash.

Originally posted by humblemind
reply to post by nighthawk1954

 

This is ridiculous!! When someone goes to jail or prison they are guaranteed 3 meals a day and a bed to sleep. If a prison were to only serve two meals a day because of budget cuts there would be public outcry about how that is cruel and unusual punishment and in-humane. However, if the very people who guarantee our freedom only get two meals a day because of budget cuts, that is just fine. Its crap like this that should really show the American people where the priorities of our government lye.

They are not being removed from three meals a day, they have been having a hot meal, and now they must rely upon a MRE. I understand where you are coming from, but please understand the issues. These Marines have been served 4 hot meals a day (not all of them partake all four), now the midnight meal is being removed, and they will have to rely upon MRE's.