Just watched CNN start a disinformation campaign and I'll post undeniable proof.

As if the fact that the mainstream media isn't saying a word about the growing amount evidence that the election was rigged (this is starting to be more widely exposed on the internet), wasn't bad enough, I can't believe I just listened to CNN report that the confusion over the exit polls on Tuesday afternoon was the result of bloggers posting innaccurate numbers in an attempt to skew the election! He went on to say "I don't know where they were getting these numbers, off the bathroom wall, or what?"

REALLY!! Actually, I'm pretty sure they were all coming from the same source-MAINSTREAM MEDIA!! And guess who that includes, yep CNN!!!

And guess what CNN did to try to cover their ass on Tuesday night. They changed their exit polls around 1a.m. Unfortunately for them, this didn't go unnoticeable.

I have the screenshots showing this, but I can't paste them here. I'll get a link.

Here it is: www.democraticunderground.com...

People, the fact that the election was fixed could not be more obvious. And this certainly shows that the media is helping to cover it up. When more proof starts to get exposed on Monday, I can only imagine how it will be reported on. "Bloggers tried to skew outcome of election w/phony exit polls, now they claim it was fixed?"

I think there might be to much evidence that peoples' votes were not counted accurately? We can't let this be ignored.







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I made the effort of recording 24 hours of CNN coverage to tapes. In the end they changed the exit polls to reflect the actual outcomes.

Most liberals have little love for CNN as the percieved liberal bias doesn't exist. They're actually pretty conservative alot of the time.

Id hardly call the DU a credible source. If you are so convinced that the election was rigged, why didnt John Kerry unleash the horde of lawyers that were poised to strike?????

had the exit polls been correct and showed a Bush lead, you would be screaming from the rafters about a media attempt to demoralize Kerry supporters.

Originally posted by FredT
Id hardly call the DU a credible source. If you are so convinced that the election was rigged, why didnt John Kerry unleash the horde of lawyers that were poised to strike?????

Obviously, as a good student of ATS, you realise you need to appeal to a higher authority for this information, namely the sitting Grand Inquisitor of Skull & Bones.

You're closer than me - you ring him, post the response here please.

Originally posted by FredT
Id hardly call the DU a credible source. If you are so convinced that the election was rigged, why didnt John Kerry unleash the horde of lawyers that were poised to strike?????

For the same reason that he conceded early. He didn't want to divide the country into factions and cause civil unrest.

Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
You're closer than me - you ring him, post the response here please.

MA, If I had that type of access or was a Bonesman myself, why would I be here debating this issue with you

Originally posted by FredT
MA, If I had that type of access or was a Bonesman myself, why would I be here debating this issue with you

Ah. My message has been received, grasshopper.

First of all, I only used the DU link b/c I can't paste the screenshots and I wanted to show how ridiculous CNN's claims are. And I'm pretty sure CNN is the source, since it is a screenshot of their website. And everybody knows how off the exit polls were from the final results in several states. The news networks admit that they play a very major role in how they report throughout the day and when they call states. The fact that News Networks are switching theirs to resemble the final outcome is what you should be worried about. Why would they do that? To answer your ignorant question about my reaction to the polls being correct (like the were in all states that used machines with a paper trail), I wouldn't really have a reaction, because they would be correct, like they're supposed to. More importantly, why would CNN say that bloggers were responsible for the inaccurate exit polls, which is clearly not true and really doesn't even support their claim. All this while after months of talking about the thousands of lawyers who were going to prevent voter fraud, they don't even mention the dozens of cases of inaccurate vote counts confirmed by election officials, let alone the obvious conclusions that can be made by analyzing the official voting results, some of which are impossible:

OHIO

www.dispatch.com.../2004/11/05/20041105-A6-01.html

� Franklin County�s unofficial results gave Bush 4,258 votes to Democratic challenger John Kerry�s 260 votes in Precinct 1B, which votes at New Life Church on Stygler Road. Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct.
� Matthew Damschroder, director of the Franklin County Board of Elections, said Bush received 365 votes there.
� The remaining 13 voters who cast ballots either voted for other candidates or did not vote for president.

� Gahanna Precinct 1B has three voting machines. After the polling station closed, the cartridges were taken to a computerized reading station. When one of the cartridges from the precinct was plugged into a reader, it generated the faulty number. The reader also recorded zero votes in the race between Arlene Shoemaker and Paula Brooks for county commissioner. Damschroder said the cartridge was retested yesterday and there were no problems. He couldn�t explain why the computer reader malfunctioned. When workers checked the cartridge against memory banks in the voting machine yesterday, each showed that 115 people voted for Bush on that machine. With the other two machines, the total for Bush in the precinct added up to 365 votes.

Florida

Although there dozens of statistical irregularities and impossibilities in the voting results, simply using some common sense would convince any sane person that Bush did not win Florida. To believe that Bush won the election, you must also believe:

1- That the exit polls were way wrong. Exit polls are historically accurate within 2%. Bush�s machine tally was 7% more than the exit poll suggested it would be.

2- That Zogby's 5pm Election Day calls for Kerry winning OH, FL were wrong. He was exactly right in his 2000 final poll.

3- That Harris last minute polling for Kerry was wrong. He was exactly right in his 2000 final poll.

4- The Incumbent Rule I (that undecideds break for the challenger) was wrong.

5- The 50% Rule was wrong (that an incumbent doesn't do better than his final polling)

6- The Approval Rating Rule was wrong (that an incumbent with less than 50% approval will most likely lose the election)

7- That Greg Palast was wrong when he said that even before the election, 1 million votes were stolen from Kerry. He was the ONLY reporter to break the fact that 90,000 Florida blacks were disenfranchised in 2000.

8- That it was just a coincidence that the exit polls were correct where there was a paper trail and incorrect (+5% for Bush) where there was no paper trail.

9- That the surge in new young voters had no positive effect for Kerry.

10- That Bush beat 99-1 mathematical odds in winning the election.

11- That Kerry did worse than Gore against an opponent who lost the support of scores of Republican newspapers who were for Bush in 2000.

12- That Bush did better than an 18 national poll average which showed him tied with Kerry at 47. In other words, Bush got 80% of the undecided vote to end up with a 51-48 majority - when ALL professional pollsters agree that the undecided vote always goes to the challenger.

13- That voting machines made by companies that are Republican contributors, which leave no paper trail and with no software publications, which have been proven by thousands of computer scientists to be vulnerable in scores of ways, were not tampered with in this election.
Here are a few, of the many, irregularities and impossibilities posted as official results on the webpage of the SOS

� In Liberty County for example, the registered voters there are fully 88.3% Democrats versus a mere 7.9% Republican. However the results reported there indicate that fully 65% of the votes cast for President went to Bush.

� According to the official election results posted on the Palm Beach County election website, 542,835 ballots were cast for a presidential candidate while only 454,427 voters turned out for the election (including absentee). This leaves a discrepancy of 88,408 votes cast for the presidential candidates. Palm Beach County's supervisor of elections is Theresa LePore who is known for the 2000 Presidential Election and the notorious "butterfly ballot" that caused confusion among seniors and other Floridians.

� In heavily populated Duval County Democrats outnumber Republicans on the voter rolls by a good 7% and yet Bush won there by over 60,000 votes, winning the actual vote count by around 60/40.

� In Baker County there are only about 3200 voters registered as Republicans in the whole county, yet on election day Bush garnered over 7700 votes there.

� In those Optiscan counties Bush received just over 600,000 votes more than other data suggest he should have. Even more revealing, is that the counties that used touch-screen and optical scan, which are dispersed all over the state, some counties reported results more or less as expected and others posted results that are simply eye-popping for Bush and the only difference in them is the method of voting (and thus counting) used.

� Other election oddities occurred throughout Florida with some counties registering a 400% increase in expected voter turnout among Republicans while Democrats supposedly experienced a -60% decline in expected support in certain counties. The 50+ counties experiencing the high percentage fluctuations in expected turnout used optical scan voting machines on November 2nd.

� Hernando County�s website shows that out of 109,656 registered, 77,950 voted. However, the official count on the Secretary of State�s website shows this:

County - Hernando
% Reporting - 100.0%
Last Update - 11/3/2004
Absentees - Yes
Final Report - Yes
Voter Reg - 109,656
Turnout - 0
% Turnout - 0.0%
� Officials found the software used in Broward can handle only 32,000 votes per precinct. After that, the system starts counting backward to zero, then back up to 32,000, etc.

� Exit polls for states w/paper trail vs. no paper trail:

All the following states final results agreed with the exit polls

THEY ALL HAD PAPER TRAILS.

State...% voting deviation from exit polls
+2B means the change was + 2 for Bush

AZ 0
LA +2B
MI 0
IA +1B
ME 0

www.sorryeverybody.com...

lol

Great info, well compiled, deeozz.

I hope it's not taken down and given an abridged link of some kind - I have noticed a lot of people don't want to explore the facts here and therefore don't visit the sites that reveal them.

Some of the stats are interesting. Why were Bush's odds of taking out Florida 99-1?

Keep fighting the good fight and don't take partisan rubbish about "sore losers" as any sign of the true quality that ATS can be. That's just the children who learned those skills from their parents.

[edit on 6-11-2004 by MaskedAvatar]

if you understand anything about polling you realize that there is no conspiracy that involves the early kerry-lead polls. The polling data that made it onto the net in the afternoon was incomplete. by the end of the day the complete data matched the actual results.


you guys are really just trying to stir up trouble.

There is only one reason bloggers would purposely skew early exit polls, and that would be to get the opposition out to vote. If this is what happened then it is obvious whose side the bloggers were on. Whether that happened or not, I don't know, however, it was very noticeable to me for days leading up to the election, that the television media outlets were making the case that they did not wish to be involved in an ensuing rancour from the calling of incorrect results once again, lest it backfires. It is my suspicion that they are all still shying away from reporting even the slightest bit of news which might suggest impropriety, for that same reason. Unless some organization can find evidence of wrongdoing on a grand scale, don't even look to the networks to be spending much time if any at all on even the little stories that are true. They've become complacent, afraid, dictated to and care not one iota for delivering unbiased news.

Quote from SomewhereinBetween:
"Unless some organization can find evidence of wrongdoing on a grand scale, don't even look to the networks to be spending much time if any at all on even the little stories that are true."

This is being done by at least two organizations. Bev Harris, of www.blackboxvoting.org... has been preparing for this since 2000 and has a very large amount of information and evidence of several frauds. She is currently crossing her tees and dotting her i's and taking precautions to avoid any BS the government will surely try to pull. She is also trying to get the backing of people in the governments, or anyone who has some pull, from those states.

Also, I know that someone claiming to be from Moveon.org, has asked at least two forums that are collecting lots of info about this to get as much info as possible and summarize something that he can show to Soros. By the way I, hate Soros and M Moore, but this needs to be exposed. But M Moore, who I would have though would have been monitoring the election, surprisingly "conceded" yesterday showing little anger. Almost as if his lack of anger was for a reason?
www.michaelmoore.com...

Nader also said he would consider taking action in OH or FL. His request of a recount in NH was denied early this mornitn due to his check to pay for the recount getting stuck in the fax machine, causing him to miss the deadline.(And the fax machine was made by diebold! lol www.nashuatelegraph.com.../20041106/NEWS02/111060040/-1/news

Deeoz, do you have the numbers for number 8 in your post? I would be very interested in seeing them. Thanks.

Originally posted by deeozz
As if the fact that the mainstream media isn't saying a word about the growing amount evidence that the election was rigged (this is starting to be more widely exposed on the internet), wasn't bad enough, I can't believe I just listened to CNN report that the confusion over the exit polls on Tuesday afternoon was the result of bloggers posting innaccurate numbers in an attempt to skew the election! He went on to say "I don't know where they were getting these numbers, off the bathroom wall, or what?"

REALLY!! Actually, I'm pretty sure they were all coming from the same source-MAINSTREAM MEDIA!! And guess who that includes, yep CNN!!!

And guess what CNN did to try to cover their ass on Tuesday night. They changed their exit polls around 1a.m. Unfortunately for them, this didn't go unnoticeable.

I have the screenshots showing this, but I can't paste them here. I'll get a link.

Here it is: www.democraticunderground.com...

People, the fact that the election was fixed could not be more obvious. And this certainly shows that the media is helping to cover it up. When more proof starts to get exposed on Monday, I can only imagine how it will be reported on. "Bloggers tried to skew outcome of election w/phony exit polls, now they claim it was fixed?"

I think there might be to much evidence that peoples' votes were not counted accurately? We can't let this be ignored.







[edit on 6-11-2004 by deeozz]

Waaaaaahhhhhhhh! I love it! You lost in 2000, you lost again in 2004, with Hillary you will lose again in 2008. If I was a democrat I would be crying too!

deozz

I would like to see facts to back up all of what you say, but I'd also be satisfied if you would retract such inaccuracies such as:

12- That Bush did better than an 18 national poll average which showed him tied with Kerry at 47. In other words, Bush got 80% of the undecided vote to end up with a 51-48 majority - when ALL professional pollsters agree that the undecided vote always goes to the challenger.

Change the word always (which no professional pollster would use) to usually and then it becomes something I can accept. Otherwise you are tryng to pass off a lie as truth. Funny how a single word can make the difference between sensationalism and truth, isn't it?

Originally posted by Carseller4


Waaaaaahhhhhhhh! I love it! You lost in 2000, you lost again in 2004, with Hillary you will lose again in 2008. If I was a democrat I would be crying too!

Ya know, it doesn't matter if you are Democratic or Republican, you simply CANNOT ignore these numbers. Something is wrong here and if it is not fixed, it will only get worse.

Rumor alert - Someone claimed in another forum that the Washington Post was going to run a story Monday that 3 officials in 2 states have handed over proof of massive electronic voting fraud. Has anyone heard anything to corroborate this?

Originally posted by Nightowl
Rumor alert - Someone claimed in another forum that the Washington Post was going to run a story Monday that 3 officials in 2 states have handed over proof of massive electronic voting fraud. Has anyone heard anything to corroborate this?

The Daily Kos has something interesting on it's front page.

NATIONAL! The smoking gun on voter registration fraud: Nathan Sproul
by Bob Johnson
Wed Oct 13th, 2004 at 00:28:21 PST

Searching for information on the voter registration fraud stories breaking tonight in Nevada and Oregon, I kept coming across the same name: Nathan Sproul of Sproul & Associates in Phoenix, Arizona.

Nathan Sproul is the former head of the Arizona Republican Party and of the Arizona Christian Coalition (ah, the irony... a Christian).

Sproul is connected with the Republican National Committee-funded voter registration organization, Voter Outreach, Inc., a group that used paid registrars to register voters in a number of states including Nevada, Oregon, Arizona and perhaps more, including Pennsylvania, Virginia, Maine and Missouri. (Others states pending, particularly swing states.) Sproul's organization also recruited registrars by fraudulently telling recruits that they would be working for America Votes, a legitimate nonpartisan GOTV operation!

But Nathan Sproul may have made one fatal mistake in his efforts... He got greedy. Yes, he failed to pay many workers and he didn't pay his rent. He pissed some people off. And he raised suspicions. There is a good chance that this may be fraud on a MASSIVE scale...

(more)

George W. Bush won the presidency. It's as simple as that. All those young voters didn't get out and vote for their boy John Kerry. Quit whining. Jesus Christ, how many threads can there be like BUSH CHEATED! Sorry dems, you all got beat. It's as simple as that. And you know what? In Philadelphia, PA, 3 electronic voting machines already had 1500 votes for Kerry before anyone voted. Nobody cheated. Technology can be fickle, that's all this is.

The people have spoken, and we chose President Bush to lead our nation for another 4 years. He did not cheat on tuesday. He did not cheat in 2000. So stop making these accusations. Maybe if the Dems throw Obama Barak on the ticket in 2008 (based on his future senate record), yall might have a shot at taking control of the whitehouse. But Kerry couldn't beat a president that had rock-bottom approval ratings. I think voters actually thought about it when they got to the polls. They thought about leadership, and GW was their man.

No one cheated. S*** happens.