Psychosis and Enlightenment (The Truth)

I believe there is a very good possibility that seeking 'spiritual enlightment' is related to some measure of psychosis itself in the individual. Delusions of grandeur are common to manic depressives/bi-polar. The only people I've known who seek such a thing are usually (in my experience) depressed people, lost soul-types, who are constantly searching for answers to make sense out of the world and to try and feel 'good' about life, even if they fall into New Age rabbit-hole philosophy. In my own conclusions, and I may be wrong, but this is my personal truth... I found more answers and 'enlightment' about the world and our condition by leaving the spiritual dogma and woo stuff behind. But then you have to face what could be perceived as ugly truths about ourselves, and I find, unfortunately, that most people would rather live in fantasy than take off their rose-tinted glasses.

Finites are not constructed to tolerate the Presence of the Infinite that's on the other side of the Door. The brightest vision without light, the sweetest music without sound, beyond all senses and thinking but we only have the senses at our disposal to tell others what you possess. So many think it is those sensory experiences when you say these things but we are trying to explain how far beyond anything of the finites This is.

I glanced too far and it took me a week to heal. So few have the courage and or know the danger involved. Makes anything any religion tries to portray as so very infantile and surface. You cannot ever be the same again. You fight the rest of your life to temper between looking away and thirsting for another glance, knowing the dangerous beauty.

One can loose their minds during enlightment once they leak certain information, say what they are seeing or experiencing to others who may not understand. Certain knowledge isn't meant to be leaked, it weakens you & the universe punishes you for interfering with others life paths. That is why id be very careful with people who claim enlightenment as ive said a few times on other topics. Not only that im concerned for others as not too loose their minds in the process.

Originally posted by metalholic
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Some information is DESIGNED to scare away the mentally weak or self conscious as weeding operation to keep those who most feel should probably leave it alone to do just that. Oh I found a gold mine here anyone can get to it. Anyone can have some treasure but not everyone deserves or should have it. Let me just drawl up some false maps.

The instant the Presence passes into the finite realm it transcends from its infinite kinetic structure into a static snapshot. Instantly contaminated and invalid. This is why when a person tries to describe what the Presence presented it's too late. Once bouncing around in that finite structure called your brain it is contaminated, invalid, and a static (lifeless) experience. Yet we try anyways.

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I completely hear what you're saying. What i believe is that i have been given one life and i choose to live through glasses that fill me with positivity over despair. We can all be realists but to imagine and dream is to create and manifest reality.

I agree. Total enlightenment of one person has a hard time being matched and recognized by another person.

I had a point of enlightenment and I realized that if I ever actually shared with another average person what was going on, their first instinct to protect their mind is that it's crazy. Just because people have been lied to for a very long time.

There is some personal risk at total enlightenment too is that, for a minute, there is no right or wrong, and evil and good are figments of the imagination in god-consciousness. Then there is a risk of being out of harmony with the laws of the land, and in being the creator of one's own world, and stuff happens. So while one might be sitting in a buddha bubble with other saintly types, hovering around the ether of time and space and reality, we are in a group mind on earth and give and take our energies with everybody all the time, then a hint of a deception of "this is all a dream" and then in that mindset the mind goes for the spiritual possibility but forgets about the physical laws of nature, and people start thinking they can fly, or run around naked, or channel Jesus or thinking God told them to do something unusual or all sorts of things that could be mishandled by the people who persist to believe that it can't happen.

Enlightenment sometimes looks like psychosis, but it's not. The person doing the accusing of the psychosis bias might be a really skilled liar.

Originally posted by tkwasny

Originally posted by metalholic
reply to post by BlavatskyChannel

 

Some information is DESIGNED to scare away the mentally weak or self conscious as weeding operation to keep those who most feel should probably leave it alone to do just that. Oh I found a gold mine here anyone can get to it. Anyone can have some treasure but not everyone deserves or should have it. Let me just drawl up some false maps.

The instant the Presence passes into the finite realm it transcends from its infinite kinetic structure into a static snapshot. Instantly contaminated and invalid. This is why when a person tries to describe what the Presence presented it's too late. Once bouncing around in that finite structure called your brain it is contaminated, invalid, and a static (lifeless) experience. Yet we try anyways.

So big words and deep thought. Ok so you've proven you can think! What does that have to do with my reply to the op.

Thanks for compliment. Am I your measuring stick?

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I think there are many realms one can tap into.. the one my psychosis led me to was the messianic complex.. this was fueled mainly by my studies in occult and new age literature being mixed and heightened alongside my euphoria.. it spiraled into a a state of oneness. or totality.. something universal.

Originally posted by BlavatskyChannel

I'm not laying claim that it is. What i am saying is that what happens to us during a psychotic episode is precisely what happens during a spiritual awakening its just that the energy is mis-channeled through lack of training or experience.

Ive come to this very same conclusion...

Originally posted by BlavatskyChannel
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I completely hear what you're saying. What i believe is that i have been given one life and i choose to live through glasses that fill me with positivity over despair. We can all be realists but to imagine and dream is to create and manifest reality.

For myself, the truth, however ugly, does not give me despair, but rather comfort in knowing I am not led astray by untruths and delusions, especially those of the spiritual/metaphysical nature. But I can understand why others would avoid this sort of thinking. If we die and we're dead and that's it, it's no fun is it? Humans are special, right? We should have a soul that lives forever and get to hang out with all of our ancestors in the afterlife, because that's a lot more fun than just being dead. So I can't blame people for embracing fantasy rather than dealing with reality. And it doesn't escape me that this may have some natural survival/evolutionary function.

I believe we cannot imagine or dream anything beyond our subjective experience, and creating has never been a problem for me within that constraint.

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That's my point, it isn't fun and i only have one life, im not going to fill it with a miserable reality.. there is enough beauty in this life to inspire me manyfold..

Originally posted by onequestion
I think your mixing two very distinct things together. Yes people end up having enlightening experiences during psychosis, in the bible this is refereed to as the path of the cross. Some people have psychosis, and some people have enlightening experiences. There is definitely two.

Here check this out. You want have some harsh reality. Go into a lucid dream state and figure out how to turn off time and see what happens. Inside of the state of "illusion" go into your "mind" and absolve of time.

Think about that long and hard. Try it... see if you can come up with anything. Just think about it for a while...

He is not 100% wrong since the psychosis can be an effect of spiritual issues that are unresolved. Some things that they are medicating for is experiancing altered states of perception and dreamworld that the human mind experiancing cannot handle since the mind have not prepared itself or let go of indoctrination. Spirit/mind/body(physical) is connected and are influencing each other.

Originally posted by MegaSpace
One can loose their minds during enlightment once they leak certain information, say what they are seeing or experiencing to others who may not understand. Certain knowledge isn't meant to be leaked, it weakens you & the universe punishes you for interfering with others life paths. That is why id be very careful with people who claim enlightenment as ive said a few times on other topics. Not only that im concerned for others as not too loose their minds in the process.

If humanity where not supposed to push for en-lighten-ment at this stage of evolution then why dump so many older ones here at this age and have them run up the hill again in a lifetime? You cannot turn on the radio for 30 minutes now days without hearing one of the shining ones/radio active/awoken/on fire singing one tune or another about their situation.

Hidden in plain sight but a overwhelming overload of information for the ones who can understand the lyrics. The new age is already here but the change is gradual.

A mind lost can be a mind found again.

Originally posted by LittleByLittle
If humanity where not supposed to push for en-lighten-ment at this stage of evolution then why dump so many older ones here at this age and have them run up the hill again in a lifetime? You cannot turn on the radio for 30 minutes now days without hearing one of the shining ones/radio active/awoken/on fire singing one tune or another about their situation.

Hidden in plain sight but a overwhelming overload of information for the ones who can understand the lyrics. The new age is already here but the change is gradual.

A mind lost can be a mind found again.

edit on 30-5-2013 by LittleByLittle because: Spellchecking

I understand. We havent reached the critical mass yet. When enough persons who are enlightened are around the shift will just occur, yes it will happen gradual so we keep coming back as we do we gain more insights. you have to understand spoken words are just that, actions & leading by examples are more effective "self realization done by the person is the key here".

Im one of those who fell really hard after ascending so high many years ago hence my user name "Mega_Space" very high space, had turmoil in my life & now im on my way up again. So yes can be found again when the environment is right once again. Knowledge is never lost only wits about ones self.

Originally posted by Sandalphon
I agree. Total enlightenment of one person has a hard time being matched and recognized by another person.

I had a point of enlightenment and I realized that if I ever actually shared with another average person what was going on, their first instinct to protect their mind is that it's crazy. Just because people have been lied to for a very long time.

Like attracts like, you just cross paths & you know it the instant you cross paths with them, no words needed the conscious just knows. When you begin to chat to them & while paying attention you can begin to see their level of understanding & when they ask questions its ok to tell them to their level of understanding, when it's too much for them that's when you need to stop. You're not forcing your views or preaching to them when they are asking.

When they ask its ok to tell them in a way that's safe to their level of understanding. We all meet people in life & we all have information for each other & is part of the evolutionary process.

Originally posted by jheherrin
I believe there is a very good possibility that seeking 'spiritual enlightment' is related to some measure of psychosis itself in the individual. Delusions of grandeur are common to manic depressives/bi-polar. The only people I've known who seek such a thing are usually (in my experience) depressed people, lost soul-types, who are constantly searching for answers to make sense out of the world and to try and feel 'good' about life, even if they fall into New Age rabbit-hole philosophy. In my own conclusions, and I may be wrong, but this is my personal truth... I found more answers and 'enlightment' about the world and our condition by leaving the spiritual dogma and woo stuff behind. But then you have to face what could be perceived as ugly truths about ourselves, and I find, unfortunately, that most people would rather live in fantasy than take off their rose-tinted glasses.

So this includes Jesus Christ then as well, the messianic leader of the cult of christianity? And Joseph Smith, L. Ron Hubbard, Buddha and anyone else who claims enlightenment and to have all the answers to life, death, the universe and everything?

Absolutely. The ancient egyptians used to believe we had 260 senses, not 5. Now why would they think that? Lots of different pathways get pried open when a person awakens, and those pathways are the only way you can process the unconscious and highest intuition. if you have no basis of understanding what's happening, you're gonna freak out and fight it, and try to explain it with bits and pieces from your old worldview, and it won't work.
You have to understand how big you are for it to make any bit of sense.

Originally posted by jheherrin
I believe there is a very good possibility that seeking 'spiritual enlightment' is related to some measure of psychosis itself in the individual. Delusions of grandeur are common to manic depressives/bi-polar. The only people I've known who seek such a thing are usually (in my experience) depressed people, lost soul-types, who are constantly searching for answers to make sense out of the world and to try and feel 'good' about life, even if they fall into New Age rabbit-hole philosophy. In my own conclusions, and I may be wrong, but this is my personal truth... I found more answers and 'enlightment' about the world and our condition by leaving the spiritual dogma and woo stuff behind. But then you have to face what could be perceived as ugly truths about ourselves, and I find, unfortunately, that most people would rather live in fantasy than take off their rose-tinted glasses.

Everyone is seeking happiness, everyone is seeking to be fulfilled, everyone feels there is something missing or something lost, so everyone is a seeker. Some think having a good job will fill the hole, some think having a family will fill the hole and some have heard of 'enlightenment' and they believe that maybe that is the answer.
Depressed individuals feel more divided that most because the division is unbearable for them - they are in the best place for 'enlightenment' to be realized because they have had enough of suffering.
What is wrong with trying to find out what makes one unhappy? What is wrong with seeking an answer to why there is suffering? If one finds out what causes the suffering the suffering will stop - maybe only the very unhappy will go all the way.

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. Hihihihi. A star is not enought. Thank you for being.

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You see a completely different reality, one in which you can see the imperfections in others and the suffering these imperfections cause. Compassion and awareness are maximized and you exist in a state of knowing. """

i to have had this experience due to drugs and asking god and everyone around me why and what is life.

i had the messiah/antichrist experience and was put into a pych ward and as you stated above i did experience this and profound unfathomable control over the self that i have NEVER had but always wanted. back to the point im trying to make here is with this increased awareness made me sort of cold / hard it sort of hurt me when i would look at others which in turn motivated me to gain control of my self and make amends for my past deeds. the thing is theres an off button that is really easy to push but harder to turn back on .... and the fact is im seeking means other then cramming my head with spiritual knowledge to keep the button and light on... and honestly i havent found one.

just my two cents


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