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Another possible 'Mark of the Beast' has arrived!
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reply to post by 0zzymand0s
I just heard a gust of wind blow over so... I must have missed it. Please, how does privacy connect to burning garbage alongside a river? How does the issue of dumping or hauling it attach to anonymity?
Forgive my ignorance but I can't make the connection between polluters and implanted electronic/digital devices on one's body.
I just don't think we can run a modern world if a large portion of it demands the right to anonymity, any more than I believe we can run a world where people who live upriver from me decide whether or not they wish to burn their garbage, dump it in the river, or pay for a haul-off service.
I just heard a gust of wind blow over so... I must have missed it. Please, how does privacy connect to burning garbage alongside a river? How does the issue of dumping or hauling it attach to anonymity?
Forgive my ignorance but I can't make the connection between polluters and implanted electronic/digital devices on one's body.
Something like this is coming and its just a matter of time. You won't be able to bring your kid to a doctor, daycare, or school without a scan.
I've heard officials speaking of a desire to have such technology in order to cut down on deceit, make billing easier, and to insure public safety. I
wonder if they will allow a religious exemption.
reply to post by redoubt
Forgive me. I was attempting to draw a comparison by analogy, and poorly explained myself.
My point is that anonymity (like "freedom of ones own property) can be good or bad. For example: The anonymity of the democratic vote is "good," while the anonymity of a hate-rally covered by bed-sheets is "bad."
Too often, both kinds are lumped together, to the detriment of both arguments. Even by me.
Forgive me. I was attempting to draw a comparison by analogy, and poorly explained myself.
My point is that anonymity (like "freedom of ones own property) can be good or bad. For example: The anonymity of the democratic vote is "good," while the anonymity of a hate-rally covered by bed-sheets is "bad."
Too often, both kinds are lumped together, to the detriment of both arguments. Even by me.
reply to post by 0zzymand0s
Let me ask you this...
Assuming such a device as featured here in the OP were to arrive as an official program, would you suggest mandatory implantation on the population... meaning such would be forced upon those who opposed it? Would you favor violating their physical bodies in order to implant said device?
My point is that anonymity (like "freedom of ones own property) can be good or bad. For example: The anonymity of the democratic vote is "good," while the anonymity of a hate-rally covered by bed-sheets is "bad."
Let me ask you this...
Assuming such a device as featured here in the OP were to arrive as an official program, would you suggest mandatory implantation on the population... meaning such would be forced upon those who opposed it? Would you favor violating their physical bodies in order to implant said device?
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This is how it starts just one little chip for ID purposes next thing you know we will be like the Borg from Star Trek.
It doesn't even have to be a chip.
Right now at work I punch the time clock by simply scanning my fingerprint. I can also go to human resources or payroll and they pull up all my work information by the same fingerprint.
No reason you couldn't easily identify personal access codes or your federal information in this way also.
Right now at work I punch the time clock by simply scanning my fingerprint. I can also go to human resources or payroll and they pull up all my work information by the same fingerprint.
No reason you couldn't easily identify personal access codes or your federal information in this way also.
reply to post by Hopechest
Quite right. In fact, last I heard, the FBI alone has print records of roughly 1/3 of the US population. Also, while not spoken of much, baby foot/finger prints taken for child-safety services and once held exclusively by local law enforcement agencies, has begun migrating to this same collection.
Of course, fingerprints can't store information. All they can do is to ID a person.
Right now at work I punch the time clock by simply scanning my fingerprint. I can also go to human resources or payroll and they pull up all my work information by the same fingerprint. No reason you couldn't easily identify personal access codes or your federal information in this way also.
Quite right. In fact, last I heard, the FBI alone has print records of roughly 1/3 of the US population. Also, while not spoken of much, baby foot/finger prints taken for child-safety services and once held exclusively by local law enforcement agencies, has begun migrating to this same collection.
Of course, fingerprints can't store information. All they can do is to ID a person.
reply to post by 0zzymand0s
Unfortunately you are right about anonymity being used as a tool to cause harm sometimes. The problem isn't the tech. It's the lack of empathy. Rarely do I see a person try to walk in someone else's shoes now a days. Apparently the concept of the needs of the many outweighing the needs of the few or the one are lost to us for a while. Hopefully it'll be back before too long.
Unfortunately you are right about anonymity being used as a tool to cause harm sometimes. The problem isn't the tech. It's the lack of empathy. Rarely do I see a person try to walk in someone else's shoes now a days. Apparently the concept of the needs of the many outweighing the needs of the few or the one are lost to us for a while. Hopefully it'll be back before too long.
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Originally posted by Hopechest
I happen to think this is a great idea.
Anything that makes my jumbled life easier is a plus in my book. Its not like identity theft or the government having the ability to track you doesn't already happen you know.
Maybe they can somehow code it to your DNA so nobody but you can have access to the information.
Said the ATS Borg......honestly is there anything this government can do wrong in your play by their rules book....
Des
Originally posted by Destinyone
Originally posted by Hopechest
I happen to think this is a great idea.
Anything that makes my jumbled life easier is a plus in my book. Its not like identity theft or the government having the ability to track you doesn't already happen you know.
Maybe they can somehow code it to your DNA so nobody but you can have access to the information.
Said the ATS Borg......honestly is there anything this government can do wrong in your play by their rules book....
Des
Is there anything they can do right in yours?
Originally posted by Hopechest
Originally posted by Destinyone
Originally posted by Hopechest
I happen to think this is a great idea.
Anything that makes my jumbled life easier is a plus in my book. Its not like identity theft or the government having the ability to track you doesn't already happen you know.
Maybe they can somehow code it to your DNA so nobody but you can have access to the information.
Said the ATS Borg......honestly is there anything this government can do wrong in your play by their rules book....
Des
Is there anything they can do right in yours?
Sure there is sweetums....but that would require you having some compassion for poor people to understand where I'm coming from. Some of our social programs are needed...waste of our tax dollars throwing lavish parties for the IRS and GSA are not.
Des
Originally posted by Hopechest
Originally posted by Destinyone
Originally posted by Hopechest
I happen to think this is a great idea.
Anything that makes my jumbled life easier is a plus in my book. Its not like identity theft or the government having the ability to track you doesn't already happen you know.
Maybe they can somehow code it to your DNA so nobody but you can have access to the information.
Said the ATS Borg......honestly is there anything this government can do wrong in your play by their rules book....
Des
Is there anything they can do right in yours?
No.
I am disgusted with this government...BOTH SIDES!!!!
As far as the thread OP I would be cautious about this technology! Very cautious!
Now I do forget a lot of my passwords but that is why I can click the link that says,
"forget password"
I can then change it.....I am not sure I would want to be LOGGED into or Hard Wired into ANYTHING!!
reply to post by Hopechest
I just KNEW you would be cheerleading this idea.
Is your life really so "jumbled" that you would submit to being chipped like cattle in order to make it easier for you?
I see this as the gateway to greater, more centralized control of the population. TPTB think it's a lot easier too, which is exactly why I do not like it. I can imagine all the information that can be stored on this chip. It's removable now, but the next thing you know, people like you are going to complain and want it to be permanent.
Anytime your entire life is subject to technological control, you have ceased to become a free, independent human being, and have become a cog in a machine, or part of a herd to be controlled and monitored.
Go for it, Tinkerbell. The rest of us who value our autonomy as free thinking individuals will take the "jumble" that comes with being free over being cattle-chipped any day of the week.
I just KNEW you would be cheerleading this idea.
Is your life really so "jumbled" that you would submit to being chipped like cattle in order to make it easier for you?
I see this as the gateway to greater, more centralized control of the population. TPTB think it's a lot easier too, which is exactly why I do not like it. I can imagine all the information that can be stored on this chip. It's removable now, but the next thing you know, people like you are going to complain and want it to be permanent.
Anytime your entire life is subject to technological control, you have ceased to become a free, independent human being, and have become a cog in a machine, or part of a herd to be controlled and monitored.
Go for it, Tinkerbell. The rest of us who value our autonomy as free thinking individuals will take the "jumble" that comes with being free over being cattle-chipped any day of the week.
Originally posted by Destinyone
Originally posted by Hopechest
Originally posted by Destinyone
Originally posted by Hopechest
I happen to think this is a great idea.
Anything that makes my jumbled life easier is a plus in my book. Its not like identity theft or the government having the ability to track you doesn't already happen you know.
Maybe they can somehow code it to your DNA so nobody but you can have access to the information.
Said the ATS Borg......honestly is there anything this government can do wrong in your play by their rules book....
Des
Is there anything they can do right in yours?
Sure there is sweetums....but that would require you having some compassion for poor people to understand where I'm coming from. Some of our social programs are needed...waste of our tax dollars throwing lavish parties for the IRS and GSA are not.
Des
Well I could list off hundreds of things the government does that is wrong however threads about those issues never seem to arise on this site.
Its usually the same topics which is why you may see me repeating the same opinion over and over.
Sweetums
reply to post by Hopechest
I'm patient...give me your Cliff Notes list of things you don't like about this government.....Better yet, Tink, start a thread on them, since you claim there are never any.
Chipping, which you think is a great idea, will start with the poor. It will eventually work it's way into mainstream means of identifying a person, their social class, their financial status...and political leanings. Watch the movie Idiocracy to see YOUR future society, and how chipping can go so wrong.....
Des
I'm patient...give me your Cliff Notes list of things you don't like about this government.....Better yet, Tink, start a thread on them, since you claim there are never any.
Chipping, which you think is a great idea, will start with the poor. It will eventually work it's way into mainstream means of identifying a person, their social class, their financial status...and political leanings. Watch the movie Idiocracy to see YOUR future society, and how chipping can go so wrong.....
What's so great about Idiocracy is not merely how funny it is, but rather how accurate it is at constructing a future society extrapolated from the real trends of modern-day America. Today, for example, corporations have taken over control of the Food and Drug Administration. In Idiocracy, a sports drink company simply BUYS the FDA and replaced the entire Food Guide Pyramid with sports drink ads.
Learn more: www.naturalnews.com...
Des
edit on 30-5-2013 by Destinyone because: (no reason given)
reply to post by Hopechest
Oh, well...by all means, please start a thread on all the many wrongs the government is doing.
I would be shocked beyond belief to see it authored by you, sweetums.
This thread is on a supposed temporary chip, as if the idea of it being "temporary" somehow makes it less menacing and therefore okay....and you're all for it. If you cannot see the many ways this can go horribly wrong for somebody (because technology is VERY fallible, and your entire life is just a few megabytes, which may or may not be correct), then I doubt you can see the many crimes that are currently occuring by this administration.
Oh, well...by all means, please start a thread on all the many wrongs the government is doing.
I would be shocked beyond belief to see it authored by you, sweetums.
This thread is on a supposed temporary chip, as if the idea of it being "temporary" somehow makes it less menacing and therefore okay....and you're all for it. If you cannot see the many ways this can go horribly wrong for somebody (because technology is VERY fallible, and your entire life is just a few megabytes, which may or may not be correct), then I doubt you can see the many crimes that are currently occuring by this administration.
Originally posted by FissionSurplus
reply to post by Hopechest
Oh, well...by all means, please start a thread on all the many wrongs the government is doing.
I would be shocked beyond belief to see it authored by you, sweetums.
This thread is on a supposed temporary chip, as if the idea of it being "temporary" somehow makes it less menacing and therefore okay....and you're all for it. If you cannot see the many ways this can go horribly wrong for somebody (because technology is VERY fallible, and your entire life is just a few megabytes, which may or may not be correct), then I doubt you can see the many crimes that are currently occuring by this administration.
I hate starting threads since they always disappear quickly and it hurts my self-esteem. I certainly am not going to start one just to appease you. However if you would like to start one up then I will happily add to it.
But since this is way off topic we should return to the OP issue.
Yes there are ways this could go wrong but there are also many benefits to it. Perhaps a cautious approach could help alleviate most of the negative consequences of doing this. As many pointed out however, it is going to happen one way or another so having discussions about it are a good idea.
Originally posted by Hopechest
Originally posted by Destinyone
Originally posted by Hopechest
Originally posted by Destinyone
Originally posted by Hopechest
I happen to think this is a great idea.
Anything that makes my jumbled life easier is a plus in my book. Its not like identity theft or the government having the ability to track you doesn't already happen you know.
Maybe they can somehow code it to your DNA so nobody but you can have access to the information.
Said the ATS Borg......honestly is there anything this government can do wrong in your play by their rules book....
Des
Is there anything they can do right in yours?
Sure there is sweetums....but that would require you having some compassion for poor people to understand where I'm coming from. Some of our social programs are needed...waste of our tax dollars throwing lavish parties for the IRS and GSA are not.
Des
Well I could list off hundreds of things the government does that is wrong however threads about those issues never seem to arise on this site.
Its usually the same topics which is why you may see me repeating the same opinion over and over.
Sweetums
Please then, instead of posting so much...write a thread about them.
This part right here.....Scares the heck out of me!!
The Proteus Digital Health pill has already been approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Adminstration and was given European regulatory approval in 2010.
It contains a computer chip that can be powered like a battery using the acid in the wearer's stomach.
Once swallowed the 'vitamin authentication pill' creates an 18-bit ECG-like signal inside the wearer's body that can be picked up by mobile devices and authentication hardware outside.
reply to post by Hopechest
Well, bless your heart. No, do not appease me, for I am just a humble poster on this site.
However, what you can do, which is right on topic, is to list the many ways you see this as being a "benefit".
And...I just gotta ask...because you said you just got hired as a bartender on another thread, how is it that you are required to use biometric scanning on the job? Just curious. Please tie it all into the benefits of being cattle-chipped, if you are able.
I eagerly await your cheerle.....er, offerings on this subject. Because I see nothing good about this gateway to permanent chipping. It is what every prognisticator on a dystopian future of hell warned about.
Well, bless your heart. No, do not appease me, for I am just a humble poster on this site.
However, what you can do, which is right on topic, is to list the many ways you see this as being a "benefit".
And...I just gotta ask...because you said you just got hired as a bartender on another thread, how is it that you are required to use biometric scanning on the job? Just curious. Please tie it all into the benefits of being cattle-chipped, if you are able.
I eagerly await your cheerle.....er, offerings on this subject. Because I see nothing good about this gateway to permanent chipping. It is what every prognisticator on a dystopian future of hell warned about.
Originally posted by FissionSurplus
reply to post by Hopechest
Well, bless your heart. No, do not appease me, for I am just a humble poster on this site.
However, what you can do, which is right on topic, is to list the many ways you see this as being a "benefit".
And...I just gotta ask...because you said you just got hired as a bartender on another thread, how is it that you are required to use biometric scanning on the job? Just curious. Please tie it all into the benefits of being cattle-chipped, if you are able.
I eagerly await your cheerle.....er, offerings on this subject. Because I see nothing good about this gateway to permanent chipping. It is what every prognisticator on a dystopian future of hell warned about.
It would be my pleasure.
As I've already stated, one of the benefits is the ease of having everything in one place as far as identification, account numbers and what have you. For people like me who tend to lose things quite often it would come in very handy. Another huge benefit is the research alone that may lead to who knows what, possible medical breakthrough's or other advanced technologies.
I've stated before that I believe the next stage of human evolution will not come from some great spiritual awakening but from the combination of technology and human. I envision a day when nanotechnology is coursing through our veins eliminating any diseases or our brains are enhanced with computer power so we are walking libraries able to accomplish complicated mathematical equations just by thinking about them. What we are seeing now is the beginning steps to this process.
As for my job I only stated that we clock in or out by using fingerprints instead of a swipe card or punching a time clock so you may attribute that to whatever you like. The larger point was that times are changing and we are starting a big slow turn to technology in ways we haven't seen in the past.
I for one am very excited about it.
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