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Greeks who are to poor to pay Taxes will be sent to Labor Camps
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reply to post by pavmas
A link to one website?
Taht's it.
Can we have a credible new source?
Sounds like a bunch of malarky to me.
A link to one website?
Taht's it.
Can we have a credible new source?
Sounds like a bunch of malarky to me.
Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by pavmas
You don't know the first thing about communism do you pavmas?
When the public sector gets privatised its called STATE CAPITALISM!
The same people that rule europe also rule the USA and most other nations on this planet. They are called the bilderbergers, nwo, illuminati, bankers, masons, etc. All are interconnected to each other and its one enormous cluster-# conspiracy.
It goes back to babylon! Try david icke as he appears to know what he is talking about.edit on 29/5/13 by EarthCitizen07 because: minor editing
Forget the names and labels and lets look at the model.
Communism is where the state controls everything and state owned for instance power stations generate no wealth and and pays no taxes and creates poverty.
Privatisation and capitalism creates wealth and genarates taxes.
I look at the power companies they create no wealth they pay no taxes, starbucks , vodafone, google the list is endless, the railways were privatised and up and up the fairs go and they millions in grants each year. Amazon 3200 million in grants and pay no tax.
I know exactly what capitalism is and we aint living in a capitalist country, all the wealth in the country is going into the hands of a few just as it goes to all the party leaders in communist countries.
I look at the political parties and we a 3 headed dictator running this country, their polices are all the same.
This country is more communist than capitalist and once this universal credit comes in then you will see a true split between the top and the bottom in this country the wealthy and the poor will split the police will be here to keep the poor in place.
Tories are behind the opening of food banks, working people in britain will not be able to pay bills and feed themselves they will depend on state run foodbanks just as they did and do in communist countries.
But in the Uk the front will be charities ( look at the income of charities in the last few years it rose by £ 9 BILLION, all coming from the government.)
I can only see communism
reply to post by pavmas
Not to be picky but what you have described is not Communism,they are selling off the nation's assets to private interest this is fascism or at-least laissez-faire capitalism,Communism got it's own evils. and yes America is heading in that direction.
Communism is now took grip in Europe, Greeks who are to poor to pay and owe taxes will be sent to labor camps where they will have to work to pay off the debt. www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com... Britain we now have secret courts private companies issuing summons which is against the law, Our courts and justice system is to be privatised, They have sold our water, Gas and National Grid to private companies.
Not to be picky but what you have described is not Communism,they are selling off the nation's assets to private interest this is fascism or at-least laissez-faire capitalism,Communism got it's own evils. and yes America is heading in that direction.
edit on 29-5-2013 by Spider879
because: (no reason given)
So the greek government is openly discussing policies to make greeks pay their taxes ... as does everyone else in modern countries. It's not communism
coming to greece. It's capitalism. And greece needs these reforms. Or should the other EU countires continue to pay greek debts with their taxes, just
because the greek feel they dont want to pay taxes?
There are whole villegas in greece, where everyon is officialy "blind", just bexause blind people get money support. Families continue to get rents for dead family members, because they do not declare it. Government workers who dont work at all, just cash in money, wtf.
My taxes go to these cheaters. Make them pay their taxes and if they refuse jail them. Do you think I can simply not pay my taxes. Of course not, its not something you can choose.
There are whole villegas in greece, where everyon is officialy "blind", just bexause blind people get money support. Families continue to get rents for dead family members, because they do not declare it. Government workers who dont work at all, just cash in money, wtf.
My taxes go to these cheaters. Make them pay their taxes and if they refuse jail them. Do you think I can simply not pay my taxes. Of course not, its not something you can choose.
edit on 29-5-2013 by CriticalCK because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Echtelion
Originally posted by pavmas
Communism is now took grip in Europe,
Britain we now have secret courts private companies issuing summons which is against the law, Our courts and justice system is to be privatised, They have sold our water, Gas and National Grid to private companies.
"Communism" is privatization to foreign corporate interests???
You're either poorly educated or insane, OP. Go read about real, historical communism instead of relying on poor interpretations by Alex Jones and those other political manipulators.
This is what communism comes from:
The Paris Commune and the Communards.
The ECB and their minions are the complete ENEMIES of real communists, even though they are corporate socialists, of the British "Fabian" tradition. The communists back then were for a popular republic, free from the bankers and their armies. Even George Washington and Lincoln would have been on their side.
edit on 29/5/13 by Echtelion because: (no reason given)
Differences between Capitalism and Communism
Capitalism
System of government is democratic
Property is privately owned
Driven by free enterprise
Wealth distributed unevenly
Education and health care provided by private entities
Freedom of the press Class distinctions: upper class, middle class and working class
Focus is on the individual and his/her own progress in life
Communism
System of government is totalitarian
Property is owned by the state
No free enterprise is allowed
Wealth distributed equally
Education and health care provided by the state
Press controlled and owned by the state
Classless society: all members of society are considered to be equal
Focus is on the progress of the community as a whole
BRITAIN CAPITALIST OR COMMUNIST DECIDE FOR YOURSLF
Things I dont need to find like state controlled press, leverson ensured that the press is state contolled
Education and health provided by the state
Is Britain the world's first politically correct totalitarian state ..
FOCUS AS COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE > Big Society we are all in it together,.
blogs.telegraph.co.uk › News › Politics › Ed West
Apr 22, 2009 – Is Britain becoming the world's first "soft totalitarian" state? ... Lib Dem MP Evan Harris felt very smug about overturning Britain's long disused ..
Are we still a classless society, Mr Cameron? - Independent Blogs
blogs.independent.co.uk › Independent Blogs
Nov 24, 2010 – It all seems a long way off from prime minister David Cameron's declaration that Britain is now a “classless society”. However posing the issue ...
FREE ENTERPRISE>Britain is now 83rd in the world for regulation, 94th for taxation and struggling to compete internationally
PROPERTY OWNED BY THE CROWN> It's quite correct, all land in the UK is owned by the crown. ... If you own a Fee Simple estate (a freehold) then you basically have ... It cannot be taken back by the Crown and you can sell it, will it, lease it to whoever you want
Wealth distributed equally' well we know that was not the case as the party leaders and genrals and officers and people in position got a lot more than the other 99%, and just like the Uk 1 % own 95% of the wealth.
I believe the the UK resembles a communist country more than a capitalist country.
reply to post by pavmas
@OP, what do forced labor camps for debtors have to do with communism? It sounds more like 19th-century mercantilism/capitalism of Victorian England, where they did have debtors' prisons. Totalitarian communist countries have forced labor camps for political persons or classes of persons.
Try knowing the meaning of the words you use before you use them. A little knowledge of history would help too. And since your first sentence was so egregiously ignorant, I didn't bother to read the rest of your post.
@OP, what do forced labor camps for debtors have to do with communism? It sounds more like 19th-century mercantilism/capitalism of Victorian England, where they did have debtors' prisons. Totalitarian communist countries have forced labor camps for political persons or classes of persons.
Try knowing the meaning of the words you use before you use them. A little knowledge of history would help too. And since your first sentence was so egregiously ignorant, I didn't bother to read the rest of your post.
Seriously? Sounds like some people are just plain stubborn to me. Here's how I picture it...
"I don't have a job so I don't have to pay taxes. LOLWhat? You want me to WORK to pay my taxes? No thanks! I'd rather be unemployed and claim exemption from debt!"
Sorry...doesn't work that way.
1) Get off your *** and get a job...I'm sure it's just like anywhere else with a high unemployment rate i.e. if you actually TRY hard enough, you'll more than likely land SOMETHING....
or
2) Exchange labor services for tax payment....
Seems completely legit and logical to me. What other options you want? "3)Do nothing and get away with it."?
A2D
"I don't have a job so I don't have to pay taxes. LOLWhat? You want me to WORK to pay my taxes? No thanks! I'd rather be unemployed and claim exemption from debt!"
Sorry...doesn't work that way.
1) Get off your *** and get a job...I'm sure it's just like anywhere else with a high unemployment rate i.e. if you actually TRY hard enough, you'll more than likely land SOMETHING....
or
2) Exchange labor services for tax payment....
Seems completely legit and logical to me. What other options you want? "3)Do nothing and get away with it."?
A2D
reply to post by pavmas
Its not communism old boy its authoritarianism. Comes in left and right wing flavors. You could always try leaving the country rather than hitting your head against a brick-wall. (non-compliance). .
As for Stella Rimington she can get lost. Incidents like the stabbing at Woolwich are just things governments have to take on the chin.
I see the Security and police's representetive at the cabinet, Theresa May has been knee-jerking for more security legislation whereas if the UK did not have an aggressive foreign policy then these sorts of things are less likely to happen. To compound things further there is no debate on foreign policy because the government no they would lose. Nearly all foreign policy in the UK is controlled by NATO/USA.
Its not communism old boy its authoritarianism. Comes in left and right wing flavors. You could always try leaving the country rather than hitting your head against a brick-wall. (non-compliance). .
As for Stella Rimington she can get lost. Incidents like the stabbing at Woolwich are just things governments have to take on the chin.
I see the Security and police's representetive at the cabinet, Theresa May has been knee-jerking for more security legislation whereas if the UK did not have an aggressive foreign policy then these sorts of things are less likely to happen. To compound things further there is no debate on foreign policy because the government no they would lose. Nearly all foreign policy in the UK is controlled by NATO/USA.
reply to post by xuenchen
This starts in the United States as soon as they get our guns .The UK is done and Australia is teetering on the edge after giving up their semi auto guns Canada is about the same as Australia . The USA is a road block in their plan . But for how long ?
This starts in the United States as soon as they get our guns .The UK is done and Australia is teetering on the edge after giving up their semi auto guns Canada is about the same as Australia . The USA is a road block in their plan . But for how long ?
Literally just got done watching "V for Vendetta". Its should be no surprise that many high up officials all over the world want this.
reply to post by Spider879
Fascism is still a system of the Left. It is just not as drastic as communism. The power elite has used Hegelian dialectic to create an artificial left/right scenario placing Fascism on one side and Communism on the other, but both are out of the same Totalitarian concept. It is just that Fascism allows for public/private partnership whereas communism is wholly centralized, but ultimately, since the private sector is captured by the public, then what is ultimately the difference?
Fascism is still a system of the Left. It is just not as drastic as communism. The power elite has used Hegelian dialectic to create an artificial left/right scenario placing Fascism on one side and Communism on the other, but both are out of the same Totalitarian concept. It is just that Fascism allows for public/private partnership whereas communism is wholly centralized, but ultimately, since the private sector is captured by the public, then what is ultimately the difference?
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Spider879
Fascism is still a system of the Left. It is just not as drastic as communism. The power elite has used Hegelian dialectic to create an artificial left/right scenario placing Fascism on one side and Communism on the other, but both are out of the same Totalitarian concept. It is just that Fascism allows for public/private partnership whereas communism is wholly centralized, but ultimately, since the private sector is captured by the public, then what is ultimately the difference?
Aaah yeah I could just as easily claim that fascism is a system of the right and therefore communism is actually a rightist concept.
reply to post by LABTECH767
people won't believe you that this could happen in Britain but it is, Have you ever heard of such a thing where a hospital gets bonuses for putting people on death lists, they actually get paid on the amount of deaths they have through this pathways.
Hospitals should get bonuses paid on the amount of people saved not killed
When you can no longer add to the common good of the State you are disposed of, these are not hospitals these are death camps.
I myself have worked all my life and paid into the system now Im disabled due to an industrial accident i have to go through the Atos thing.
Im type 1 diabetic and stated as did my doctor that at 12 noon each day the way my insulin works with other medication I lose all energy completly and fall to sleep, Guess what time they made my appointment for and told me failure to attend with see my benefit sanctioned, thats right 12 noon.
Now heres the thing, I get an industrial Disablement pension, i had to pay a stamp for this an Insurance stamp, insurance is for when you have an accident.
It used to be called an entititlement but now its a benefit, and as such the media can insult me all they like and call me scum, its the same with OAPs who paid into the system all those years, their pension is not an entitlement its now a benefit.
Thats why im not getting hooked on words im just saying I can see whats taking place and its more communism than capitalism.
people won't believe you that this could happen in Britain but it is, Have you ever heard of such a thing where a hospital gets bonuses for putting people on death lists, they actually get paid on the amount of deaths they have through this pathways.
Hospitals should get bonuses paid on the amount of people saved not killed
When you can no longer add to the common good of the State you are disposed of, these are not hospitals these are death camps.
I myself have worked all my life and paid into the system now Im disabled due to an industrial accident i have to go through the Atos thing.
Im type 1 diabetic and stated as did my doctor that at 12 noon each day the way my insulin works with other medication I lose all energy completly and fall to sleep, Guess what time they made my appointment for and told me failure to attend with see my benefit sanctioned, thats right 12 noon.
Now heres the thing, I get an industrial Disablement pension, i had to pay a stamp for this an Insurance stamp, insurance is for when you have an accident.
It used to be called an entititlement but now its a benefit, and as such the media can insult me all they like and call me scum, its the same with OAPs who paid into the system all those years, their pension is not an entitlement its now a benefit.
Thats why im not getting hooked on words im just saying I can see whats taking place and its more communism than capitalism.
Originally posted by ispyed
reply to post by pavmas
Its not communism old boy its authoritarianism. Comes in left and right wing flavors. You could always try leaving the country rather than hitting your head against a brick-wall. (non-compliance). .
As for Stella Rimington she can get lost. Incidents like the stabbing at Woolwich are just things governments have to take on the chin.
I see the Security and police's representetive at the cabinet, Theresa May has been knee-jerking for more security legislation whereas if the UK did not have an aggressive foreign policy then these sorts of things are less likely to happen. To compound things further there is no debate on foreign policy because the government no they would lose. Nearly all foreign policy in the UK is controlled by NATO/USA.
Out of all the posts this one hits it on the nail Authoritarianism maybe a better choice of word because we have to systems running side by side here.
The elites have capitalism and the poor have a system that mirrors communism and the 2 are running side by side in the same country, any dissent is now quashed with Law Enforcment and will now include the working poor who will be class as scum etc because the can only find part time work whilst thats all thats offered.
Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
Seriously? Sounds like some people are just plain stubborn to me. Here's how I picture it...
"I don't have a job so I don't have to pay taxes. LOLWhat? You want me to WORK to pay my taxes? No thanks! I'd rather be unemployed and claim exemption from debt!"
Sorry...doesn't work that way.
1) Get off your *** and get a job...I'm sure it's just like anywhere else with a high unemployment rate i.e. if you actually TRY hard enough, you'll more than likely land SOMETHING....
or
2) Exchange labor services for tax payment....
Seems completely legit and logical to me. What other options you want? "3)Do nothing and get away with it."?
A2D
But thats not what we are talking about, everyone pays taxes in the UK on petrol on goods on electricity gas and now carbon tax. this is about people even in work being taxed so much and the wages remain so low that they are having to make choices of eating or paying taxes.
come August working people will have benefit sanctioned if they dont show they are looking for morr hours and could be made to work free for six months in places that are handing out 9 hour a week or 20 hour a week contract,
These large companies refuse to pay their workers a living wage and give them enough hours that they have no choice to claim some assistance, now these greedy companies that caused this are going to benefit even more with free labour.
The poor in this country are being downtrodden so much in this country that it may never get back to where it was, our old and disabled are being ethnically cleansed and still we do nothing and this is happening as we speak.
Yet people say Im being alarmist.
A poster in this thread from the UK told us they tried to kill his mother she had to be smuggled out of hospitals and she eat ginger snaps that they never knew she had, there are countless cases of this in the UK.
They are doing to our old what the Nazis did to the infirm.
And still people think its alarmist' till it happens to them or one of their family and then they believe.
reply to post by CriticalCK
The point is poor people on low incomes are having to carry the burden of the banks debt, multi national companies are evading taxes and getting grants of £millions
yet more and more taxes are created, Vat at 21% carbon tax on energy bills etc, but if the poorest dont pay their bills they will be jailed.
And you think this is fair
The point is poor people on low incomes are having to carry the burden of the banks debt, multi national companies are evading taxes and getting grants of £millions
yet more and more taxes are created, Vat at 21% carbon tax on energy bills etc, but if the poorest dont pay their bills they will be jailed.
And you think this is fair
We know how the obese and smokers are looked at as a drain but this is the type of justification been used to kil our elderly, Hitler did the same, in
1933 German posters appeared on walls and newspaper reports claimed that the disabled were a drain.
Britian is full of this now they are creating hatred for the disabled and the old and they are turning the screw on the poor.
Government cuts funding to councils of 10%, councils charge unemployed people 20% as they will pay for the old and disabled.
Now who is the poor man going to blame when he is forced with buying food or paying someone elses tax.
In estates all over the country we will se the disabled and old attacked and robbed.
They are using the poor against the poor.
www.telegraph.co.uk...
Britian is full of this now they are creating hatred for the disabled and the old and they are turning the screw on the poor.
Government cuts funding to councils of 10%, councils charge unemployed people 20% as they will pay for the old and disabled.
Now who is the poor man going to blame when he is forced with buying food or paying someone elses tax.
In estates all over the country we will se the disabled and old attacked and robbed.
They are using the poor against the poor.
www.telegraph.co.uk...
