Thousands of Muslims gather in London to condemn murder of soldier Lee Rigby

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Yeah Christians are fine in Muslim countries since Islam is such a religion of peace

The Iranian Constitution declares that all “laws are based on Islamic criteria” and, in practice, the government severely restricts religious freedom, especially those of evangelical protestants. Therefore, most Christians are forced to worship underground in house churches, with many choosing to keep their faith private so they will not be charged with apostasy (conversion from Islam), a “crime” punishable by death.

In Syria it is illegal for Muslims to convert to Christianity but the reverse is not true.

In Afghanistan persecution of Christians is intense. During the Taliban regime, persecution was accomplished formally by law, and informally by tribes and families. Since the overthrow of the Taliban, the legal system no longer imposes criminal sentences on Christians. However, it also does not interfere when a Christian?s family or tribe murders him for apostasy from Islam.

Turkmenistan: In 2010, police officers reportedly told Christians that they would do everything to ensure that there are no Christians left in the country. Turkmen Christians are often discriminated against, harassed and pressured to return to Islam. Christians also run the risk of losing their jobs.

reply to post by SuicideBankers


I have no problem with people who adapt I don't have a problem with people who stick to their beliefs as long as it does not interfere with the law and order of a country or the safety of its citizens. If I decide to immigrate somewhere I am prepared to oblige by the rules and so should they. Just because it is normal to butcher a soldier like a piece of meat on the streets in their country doesn't mean it's ok here. I don't like any religions but yes I have a deeper hostile (not violent or extreme) feeling about Islam for reasons that I have and I'm not ashamed of it I am very open minded to a certain extent.

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What error would that be?

I'm really curious

Originally posted by destination now
reply to post by SuicideBankers

 

If you are a female in certain parts of the UK you may well have personal reasons for disliking certain aspects of Islam..many male muslims have zero respect for western women and have no problem displaying their lack of respect.

Very understandable but to try and bring this back to the topic let me say this. Christianity has a long history of stomping out other religions and beliefs. Pagans, Gnostics, and hundreds of other religions and philosophies. There was a time when Christians treated women in much the same way that some Muslims do now. It is my opinion that we should support these Muslims who have come out to make a stand against the extremist that use their beliefs as an excuse to commit atrocities. To quote a very famous man. "Let he without sin cast the first stone." God does not pass judgment on a group of people. He passes judgment on the individual. Each person is held accountable their own actions.

reply to post by ollncasino


Firstly, its He.

Now... to the point in hand - people are being dumb.

Do we blame all Germans for WW2? No.

Do we blame all Japanese for WW2? No.

Do we blame all Norwegians for Anders Brevik? No.

Do we blame all Irish people for the sectarian violence in Ireland? No.

All Serbs or all Croats/Bosnians/Slovenes for the violence in the Balkans? No.

All Cambodians for the actions of Pol Pot? No.

All Russians for the actions of the Soviet Regime? No.

All British people for the actions of the empire? No.

But people want to blame all muslims for the actions of a few.

Thats like blaming me for bombing Dresden in WW2 because my grandfather was in the RAF.

Or blaming Hiroshima and Nagasaki on anyone who lives in the US.

Thats dumb. Any way you look at it. You can throw all the pseudo stats you want to at the argument, but applying that standard is as dumb as a box of rocks.

On the scale of who is going to kill for their belief

0 _____________________________________________________ 10
Jainist,Buddhism Jew, Christian, Muslim

So based on belief I have more to fear from a Muslim than a Jainist. So the top two, christian and muslims have been at each other since the crusades. Within themselves catholic against protestant and sunni against #e. Growing up protestant in Ireland I was taught to hate catholics and forced to do so whether I liked it or not or the reason why. Christian and Muslim religions are the most hypocritical. Sure there are some exceptions with different sects of each but for the most part they are not the prime example of what they preach.
So there is good reason to think the way you do about a muslim in this case and with all the recent history. It is a powder keg in every western country waiting to blow up. I am pretty sure it is done by design to cause internal conflict by TPTB. Maybe one big holy world war(crusade)

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I somehow doubt that the majority of Muslim men will change their attitudes to non Muslim women any time soon, even their own women have to pray separately

Though I do agree that historically Christianity has had its fair share of misogyny..still do in the Catholic church where women are not allowed to become priests.

I honestly abhor all religion, it's so divisive in every way

Originally posted by neformore

Now... to the point in hand - people are being dumb.

Thats dumb. Any way you look at it. You can throw all the pseudo stats you want to at the argument, but applying that standard is as dumb as a box of rocks.

I'm surprised that you feel that people are dumb.

I am also surprised that you felt you had to share that feelings with us.

Originally posted by Cayla19
reply to post by SuicideBankers

 

I have no problem with people who adapt I don't have a problem with people who stick to their beliefs as long as it does not interfere with the law and order of a country or the safety of its citizens. If I decide to immigrate somewhere I am prepared to oblige by the rules and so should they. Just because it is normal to butcher a soldier like a piece of meat on the streets in their country doesn't mean it's ok here. I don't like any religions but yes I have a deeper hostile (not violent or extreme) feeling about Islam for reasons that I have and I'm not ashamed of it I am very open minded to a certain extent.

I totally agree that if you immigrate to a new country you should obey the law of the land. I really don't like organized religion all that much myself. A persons spirituality or lack there of is personal and if they are peaceful then they should be allowed to believe whatever they want. I just cant hold a whole group accountable for the actions of some of its believers. Even If it turns out to be that the majority of Muslims are violent. There is no justice in persecuting the innocent.

On the scale of who is going to kill for their belief

0 _____________________________________________________ 10
Jainist,Buddhism Jew, Christian, Muslim

Awww c'mon,why no Mormons,or Scientoligists,or Wickens,or people who worship cheerios(im sure there are some out there)

Silly poll

Originally posted by neformore
Do we blame all Germans for WW2? No.
Do we blame all Japanese for WW2? No.

We did when they were trying to kill us.

Originally posted by neformore
All Serbs or all Croats/Bosnians/Slovenes for the violence in the Balkans? No.

No. I blame the Kosovo Muslims.

Originally posted by neformore
All British people for the actions of the empire? No.

It was fair enough to blame British people for the empire at the time of the empire.

Originally posted by neformore
Thats like blaming me for bombing Dresden in WW2 because my grandfather was in the RAF.

I'm sure the people of Dresden did blame the British at the time.

I would say there is something amiss with your logic.

reply to post by neformore


Who's being dumb? I don't see anyone on this thread saying 'i blame all Muslims' I think it opens up the issue of Islam in the UK. And in my honest opinion, it's an issue that needs to be sorted out. Because as it stands there is a lot of unspoken hate between a lot of people and a lot of it is to do with cultural and religious differences.

Do i agree that this should be the case? No. Do i blame Muslims entirely? No. But you can't keep saying 'But it's not all Muslims!' because nobody said it was. But it doesn't cover up the fact that there's an issue.

I like your icon btw xD

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by neformore
Do we blame all Germans for WW2? No.
Do we blame all Japanese for WW2? No.

We did when they were trying to kill us.

Originally posted by neformore
All Serbs or all Croats/Bosnians/Slovenes for the violence in the Balkans? No.

No. I blame the Kosovo Muslims.

Originally posted by neformore
All British people for the actions of the empire? No.

It was fair enough to blame British people for the empire at the time of the empire.

Originally posted by neformore
Thats like blaming me for bombing Dresden in WW2 because my grandfather was in the RAF.

I'm sure the people of Dresden did blame the British at the time.

I would say there is something amiss with your logic.

Couldn't have said it any better myself. And the op has the gall to call everyone else dumb.

reply to post by destination now


Exactly but you don't see Catholic men stoning a woman for being a raped.I understand the way other religions used to treat women but the key word is used to most have adapted to the 21st century but not Islam. My cousin dated a Muslim, everything was fine until they were starting to get serious after she visited his family he wanted her to wear the burkha and convert. She refused dumped him and he started stalking her harassing her and anyone who came close to her apartment even months after kept telling her that she has to convert because unless she does she is nothing to him or his family. It got to a point where she had to change her number move house etc. So you are completely right they don't want to change their attitude towards women because it works for them.

Originally posted by destination now
reply to post by SuicideBankers

 

I somehow doubt that the majority of Muslim men will change their attitudes to non Muslim women any time soon, even their own women have to pray separately

Though I do agree that historically Christianity has had its fair share of misogyny..still do in the Catholic church where women are not allowed to become priests.

I honestly abhor all religion, it's so divisive in every way

Maybe not but isn't it worth showing support to those who have. Its my opinion that people like you and I can set the example and maybe just maybe we can turn radical extremist into human beings by showing them a better way.

Originally posted by neformore

Lots of people post "why don't they apologise for..." or "why don't they condemn..." or "why don't they seek out...." - well here's the deal - do any of us apologise for every murder? Every atrocity that someone commits?

I think this is a little disingenious. People of all classes and creeds commit murder every day and of course we don't all go around apologising. That would be ridiculous. The difference is that this particularly savage murder was committed in the name of Islam. If say the shoe was on the other foot and I was a Christian in a largely Muslim country and Christian fundamentalists were carrying out acts of terror - yes I would come out and say - these people don't speak for me.
Or if I was a baker and someone went on the rampage saying it was on behalf of all bakers I would come out and say 'Not me!'
That said - I think it's great that you posted this - I wasn't even aware of it.
I've got a link to a Muslim preacher somewhere who talks a great deal of sense. I'll try to find it. But I saw a Muslim being interviewed the other day who called for more communication. That's great but part of the problem in the UK are the large masses of Asian Muslims who purposefully segregate themselves. That's not me being 'racist' - it's a fact. An Asian colleague told me how they deliberately buy out white owned properties and businesses - helped a little by white flight no doubt but mostly deliberately engineered by the Asian communities themselves.
Multiculturalism in this country is a joke.
We do need more communication but I'm thinking 'stable door' and 'bolted'.

Originally posted by Cayla19
reply to post by destination now

 

Exactly but you don't see Catholic men stoning a woman for being a raped.I understand the way other religions used to treat women but the key word is used to most have adapted to the 21st century but not Islam. My cousin dated a Muslim, everything was fine until they were starting to get serious after she visited his family he wanted her to wear the burkha and convert. She refused dumped him and he started stalking her harassing her and anyone who came close to her apartment even months after kept telling her that she has to convert because unless she does she is nothing to him or his family. It got to a point where she had to change her number move house etc. So you are completely right they don't want to change their attitude towards women because it works for them.

No you see Catholic priest molesting children and then covering it up. bad example.

Islam is against free speech and this is free speech

reply to post by ollncasino


Originally posted by neformore
Do we blame all Germans for WW2? No.
Do we blame all Japanese for WW2? No.

"We did when they were trying to kill us. "

Who the hell is this "We"?
My family fought in WW2,and I never heard any of them blame germans or the japanese.

They blamed the governments.

And im sure it pleased you that there were so many like minded people,that the U.S pus Japanese/Americans in camps.

Which was wrong,and the U.S gov later apologised for those actions.

Which is what happpens when people become stupid and make knee jerk reactions out of fear and hate.

Originally posted by MrConspiracy
reply to post by neformore

 

Who's being dumb? I don't see anyone on this thread saying 'i blame all Muslims'

Mr.C - read the thread! Its been said many many times and its still being said....