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Originally posted by Montana
reply to post by ElohimJD
The BSA is not now. nor has it ever been a christian organization. It does not strive to build better christians it strives to build better CITIZENS. Many religious groups have sponsored Scout groups and then bastardized the program to champion their cause, but Gordon-Powell spins in his grave every time it happens! Of the five Scout groups in my town ONE is church affiliated. The other four are chartered by the Lions, the Rotary club, a lumber mill and a car dealership.
I have been a Scout leader for more than 18 years now and I really wish christians would stop trying to change the BSA to reflect their own prejudiced values. All five of my children have been involved in Scouts for most of their lives, and if I had more children they would still be members with gay children in the group. If you want to have a christian camping group, feel free but stop trying to hijack the BSA.
And, yes, I AM a christian. That enables me to see the hypocrisy more clearly.
The Boy Scouts of America is one of the nation's largest and most prominent values-based youth development organizations. The BSA provides a program for young people that builds character, trains them in the responsibilities of participating citizenship, and develops personal fitness.
Originally posted by Montana
reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee
Stop with the lies and mis-directions. The bsa is not a religious organization. It is not legally organised as a religious entity and does not provide ANY religious education. The BSA is a CIVIC group that teaches values and citizenship. Scouts are required to believe in Some type of a god. Be that the Christian God, The Muslim (actually the same one] the Sky Spirit or tree souls. Scout groups have been established in every religious tradition on the face of the earth, including Buddhist which arguably doesn't have a god at all.
THIS is the stated purpose of the BSA-
The Boy Scouts of America is one of the nation's largest and most prominent values-based youth development organizations. The BSA provides a program for young people that builds character, trains them in the responsibilities of participating citizenship, and develops personal fitness.
The BSA teaches VALUES not religion. If your scout is learning religion at a Scout meeting, your troop has been hijacked. Take him or her out and find a different troop that is true to scouting principles.
Oh, and as to the argument about not having sexual attraction in Scouts, you are all aware that some scout groups are co-ed, right?edit on 5/29/2013 by Montana because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by MichaelPMaccabee
To be a Boy Scout you must have a belief in God. That one line separate a religious institution from a secular institution. Nothing else in your post matters in context.
Originally posted by Montana
Originally posted by MichaelPMaccabee
To be a Boy Scout you must have a belief in God. That one line separate a religious institution from a secular institution. Nothing else in your post matters in context.
A Boy Scout must believe in A god, not "God" as you claim. You can't even get that straight.
If the BSA was a religious group it would be required to register and organize as one. It is not.
I submit to you that YOU do not decide what the BSA is, the BSA decides what the BSA is, and they disagree with you.
Originally posted by Montana
reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee
Because they don't teach religion. Why can't you understand that?
The BSA is a civic group, whether that supports your prejudice or not, sorry.
Originally posted by Montana
Religious people can gather together for civic purposes just as easily as non-religious people.
Originally posted by Christian Voice
Boy Scouts of America believes that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God.
en.wikipedia.org...
They have always centered around God, not a God.
Originally posted by GR1ill3d
Originally posted by Christian Voice
Boy Scouts of America believes that no member can grow into the best kind of citizen without recognizing an obligation to God.
en.wikipedia.org...
They have always centered around God, not a God.
So which god? "A duty to god" and "a duty to a god" Are in essence the same thing.
Is he talking about Thor? Or Allah? Buddha perhaps?
Originally posted by Christian Voice
reply to post by MichaelPMaccabee
The God does matter. The BSA was founded by men that were Christian therefore God would be the The Christian God, The one True God, Elohim. Founded by Christians and based on Christian values and principles.