NEW TITLE: Does This Secret Society Exist, and Am I Being Recruited?

reply to post by Pinocchio


And as a christian, who believes that Jesus paid the ultimate sacrifice for us - his children - willingly (Jesus could have just walked away and not been crucified)

Why does the catholic church have us "eat of us body, and drink of his blood" every mass?

And how does freemasonry jibe with this?

reply to post by Pinocchio


Could it be that lucifer wants to become christ? And he can't figure out a way to do it?

Maybe cloning and artificial insemination could work? Satan cannot create - that's the only thing that satan (lucifer) cannot do as a high angel of God.

Lucifer cannot create a soul. But he can invade a body with a demon (fallen angel).

My next question would be... who is as Cain... and who is as Abel???

If you cannot name the secret society of which you are in, can you at least tell us if it is an international society? Does it have chapters/lodges etc in other countries, or is it exclusively an American club?

I've been searching in Google for "secret societies," "circle b" and "circle a." The only results i got were this thread, and the Knights of the Golden Circle...

Color me interested.

reply to post by charles1952

Yes it exists and HELL NO, youre not being recruited.

Originally posted by gladtobehere
reply to post by charles1952

 

Yes it exists and HELL NO, youre not being recruited.

What's the society's name? Come on, tell us!

reply to post by Pinocchio


Jacob have I loved and Esau have I hated. The right side of truth is the square root of three and two crossed. Unity over multiplicity. How do you arrive?

Originally posted by Pinocchio
My next question would be... who is as Cain... and who is as Abel???

Cain gave the sacrifice of the his hands and the END of his production. Abel gave the first and best of his flock. God requires a perfect sacrifice of the unblemished. Follow this forward to Abraham. God asked for his son to be sacrificed, yet never intended for him to lose his son. At the last minute, God allowed a scapegoat. Here, you see the significance of Cain and Abel. One gives and one takes. "Jacob have I loved and Esau have I hated." There are two religions we are discussing in this thread. One is Mystery School Babylon. The other is that of the true mystery.

Mystery School / Sunday School

As Enoch says:

1 From the days of the slaughter and destruction and death of the giants, from the souls of whose flesh the spirits, having gone forth, shall destroy without incurring judgement −thus shall they destroy until the day of the consummation, the great judgement in which the age shall be 2 consummated, over the Watchers and the godless, yea, shall be wholly consummated." And now as to the
Watchers who have sent thee to intercede for them, who had been aforetime in heaven, say to them: 3 "You have been in heaven, but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and you knew worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth."
4 Say to them therefore: " You have no peace."'

We have, however, been offered salvation as a gift. Profound Truth - Not Earned Not taken Peace comes by the right side of truth. We must choose the side that aligns with the will of God. GIVING! One side takes reward that ends in suffering. The other side suffers first, ending in reward. Smoke and get cancer. Workout in a gym and get health. Suffering brings reward. Taking reward brings suffering.

Secret Societies and Private associations are behind closed doors and secret. Churches are open and there are no secrets, save those that must be discovered. Private associations are designed around taking and Churches are designed around giving. Secret Societies are geared as grooming organization to feed the top ranks with workers for the the sovereignty of men--taking. Churches are workers organized around the sovereignty of God's will--giving.

Like Abraham, the love of God goes to those who give it all to Him first. After this, he gives it back in relation to truth.

Matthew 6:33

33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.

Be careful for the long nosed who twist truth in a mirror. What is truth you ask ask what does it look like twisted?

Truth is EMET. Spell it with three Hebrew letters: Aleph Mem Tav (Beginning, Water End). The end of the story is fire against the unrepentant thieves. Water is baptism and puts out fire. We are born into the water to put out the fire and repent. Giving is the Capstone of this temple.

Twisted truth is Tav Mem Aleph. To get back to the beginning glory, the thieves take to build their temple. Humpty Dumpty is being put back together again. All the kings tools (Technology) and all men (Mathemagicians, scientists and alchemists) cannot put Humpty Dumpty back to his place of glory again. The wall is the veil of heaven and earth. It is impenetrable. Don't believe me. Listen to Alice and Humpty from "Through the Looking Glass."

He is an egg of DNA that is cracked. Should have waited until he hatched. Instead, we take the end and try to make it the beginning.

`And only one for birthday presents, you know. There's glory for you!'

`I don't know what you mean by "glory,"' Alice said.

Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. `Of course you don't -- till I tell you. I meant, "there's a nice knock-down argument for you!"

`But "glory" doesn't mean "a nice knock-down argument,"' Alice objected.

`When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.

`The question is,' said Alice, `whether you can make words mean so many different things.'

`The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, `which is to be master - - that's all.'

Alice was too much puzzled to say anything, so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again.

`They've a temper, some of them -- particularly verbs, they're the proudest -- adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs -- however, I can manage the whole of them! Impenetrability! That's what I say!'

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Which is to be master, that's all! Give it to God first. He's the master. All these things will be added unto you when you do.

Neither Circle A or B. It's both circles Intersecting. Vesica Pisces. 153 - Measure of the Fish

John 21 - Feed the Sheep!

A very intriguing thread for it is the essence of our membership here.
Your thread is most deserving of a front page for a long time.
The old saw "Men always conspire.." can't be more true. In my brief
experience only few ways are evident one can research even a benign
conspiracy-- and the research will always entail the risk of becoming
party to an unwanted commitment in a deeper one.

I can hope this is the reason you are torn, Charles... it is the same as mine.
An uncle, in my personal case and knowledge, became a member of a large
organization which is founded on noble principles, and in some ways necessarily
secret in tradition. I need not name it, because the organization of itself
is irrelevant compared to its construction. His motives for first joining it were
as noble as its principles; and he worked very hard. In a short time he came to
the point where there was no more of "A" in the organization to learn and in which
to partake.

I was given no indication by himself or anyone else that there was an invitation
afforded to him for the "advancement" into the "B circle". You however were
observed along the way as evidently capable of not just trust, but a potential
asset to circle "B". I would take that somewhat evident but subtle display of
trust with a grain of sugar.

The decision if you are invited, but must remain in the conditions of membership
also secret, a matter of conscience. Nobody outside the organization will know
for sure that you are a member of "B"... most times even those in "A". Those
conditions in some circles are also always one-way. In other words, the rungs
of the ladder are gone, and you are not going back down regardless of preference.
What's somebody's or several members' signature(s)?
"That which has been seen cannot be unseen."
The question: is your need to know greater than the personal risk of knowing?

To wrap it up, wild speculation abounds almost everywhere that some secret
organizations are steered at the top of them by much smaller groups of people--
who are not espoused to the visible and originally stated principles. Let your
conscience be your guide, from one a year older and quite less wise.

Originally posted by charles1952
I'm considered an up-and-comer in my club which is why I was able to talk with this individual.

So, my questions:

Does Circle B exist?

Have they started to try to recruit me?

Should I say "no" if they are?

Should I run from the club as a whole as quick as I can?

Have you got any other suggestions or advice?

With respect,
Charles1952

edit on 25-5-2013 by charles1952 because: Headline might have been misleading

Before I can help you with those answers; I need to know more about your club. What club is it? What are the principles - belief systems that the club has? What does the club promote? etc.

In any group there is always an Inner circle that is divided by 2 or consists of 2 concentric rings...

You of all people should know this, unless you your self are doing the recruiting.

Which ever the case may be I believe there is within special organizations two circles like you said. Circle A and the less talked about Circle B only because the "initiate" must be conditioned to accept certain things before that circle (curtain) is revealed.

One dark and One light as with the duality of all things on this world. I suppose too that neither is truly bad or good in the grand scheme of thing or depending upon your view as perhaps their end goal is the same. One creates chaos the other order but both believe that their actions will bring about a new world.

Personally bringing heaven to earth is not a possibility and certainly bringing it by making earth so hellish (the dark) that a savior will arise is not my path...

So you need to think which path follows your heart. Must re-creation be built upon the ashes of destruction or is there another way?

I am also curious of what you will choose, perhaps your actions will choose for you and you will never know or you will and I will never know if I am correct...LOL

reply to post by charles1952
Charles I would think it would depend on whatever the "mission statement" is for the "Circle B" and whether or not you agree with their particular set of goals and ideals- and what means they consider acceptable to attain said goals. If they are indeed out to actively recruit you and your goals and theirs (along with means of attainment) are similar then I would be tempted to give them the benefit of the doubt and seek to learn more. If after learning a bit more if what their plans entail is a bit too nefarious or even too vague for your tastes then gracefully decline, but if you are "well met" then by all means seek advancement. "Super secret" doesn't necessarily mean "super bad". Any group is lucky to have you as a member.

reply to post by charles1952


Hey Charles,

You will get out of any organisation what you put into it. Im sure a man with your age to his credit as come up with that type of wisdom before.

I am a 29 year old male, so I have experienced at least half of what you have in life but what I have learned is when it comes to these groups or organisations, it is indeed true that mostly older men get involved.

This Time last year I had earned my second degree in the Fellow craft that is Freemasonry. My signature at the bottom is a poetry web page I have had for 7 years. A solace I had to turn to when I had too many thoughts about life. My poetry encompasses my life and what I believe and have learned put into a poetic verse. I was sat down with both of my sponsors and the Worshipful Master who began to explain to me that no one would Love me for what I write and believe, I was not a messenger from God, I need psychiatric help asap, and that I would not be given my third degree unless I complied to their demands. I ceased writing on my web page and sought medical/psychiatric attention.

FYI I was told I had an over active imagination after a month in the hospital

Now when I first was initiated, I was initiated along with another member at the same Time. I was eager to learn as much as I could and advance as far as I could to obtain the knowledge that was within this fraternity. I knew the stories of the Knights Templar and wanted to know the complete truth. However at this Time, this was the second Time in less than a year they were trying to hold me back. Not to mention that I was being held back and the other man had already been given his third when I was told after my second degree before his second, that there was not enough Time this year for me to go through this year.
Why?

As well, at the Time I was sat down and told I was being held back because of my poetry site, which if they did their background check properly, would have found that that the things I was saying, I was saying before they excepted me as a member.

First Time they held me back, I was getting my second degree. As I was driving home from work, there was a conjunction of halos around the sun. Like three or four wrapping around the sun. For me it was a beautiful moment. I believed that I was doing something good with the Freemasons. and this was a glorious sign to me that I was. I went home posted on FB that this happened to me what I saw and what I was getting that evening and off I went. Five minutes before the opening of Lodge, my Old WM came up to me in his tuxedo and explained that three people did not show up who were part of the ceremony so I was not going to be put through. That is not how this organisation runs and there was no phone call prior.

I complied with my poetry site and stopped posting anything and while I was in college I sought out council from the therapy department. I complied with their demands so I persisted with trying to further myself in the fraternity. I wrote e-mails to the grand lodge explaining my story and life experiences and why I decided to become a mason, I wanted to help. The help I wanted to give was the opposite of those higher up wanted me to contribute.

The majority of the people who do join these groups, do so with the intentions of making the community better. What tends to happen is the higher up you go in these organizations, the more information you learn and the truth is revealed to you when you are all ready too deep into it to turn back now.

I am not going to paint all organizations with the same paint brush however, in my experience with the Freemasons, knowing their history before hand, witnessing some of their ceremonies and WHO, they accept into their fraternity, their structure, and some of the buffons, and complete idiots they put into control or let into their organization, reflects on the people they want to serve their agenda.

I had every full intention of dong my perception of good when joining this group, but soon came to realize that those who are in control, at the top, did not want me apart of their organization unless I as compliant to submit to their whim. I compromised myself when I stopped writing when they told me too, I lost a great part of me and for them to tell me that no one would Love me for the goodness I believe in, however irrationally viewed in the world today as it is perceived, was wrong for them to try and take away. So I quit, and have not looked back.

I hoped what was said about this fraternity was not true, Illuminati, Albert Pike, The Monarchs, Knights Templar and their found treasure "knowledge" in King Solomon's Temple. Then you realize how old history is and then it becomes clear the possibility of corruption is not a new idea, but was forged in the beginning of Time and has had the equivalent means and measures to accomplish it s goal.

reply to post by charles1952


From what I have learned in my studies of our history that I would rather be one of those 6.5 billion people that the rest of the world, 500 million wish to get rid of and destroy.

I am not saying get out of your organization. each side needs spies and such. I digress. I knew what I was getting into when I became a freemason, hoping that I could gain more insight and knowledge of the world, and do some good, because they do a lot of charity work, But I did not fit into their criteria of a submissive person.
No financial reward, or hidden secret knowledge was going to replace what they made me give up on, myself.

As long as your integrity does not feel morally compromised, I say continue with your organization. How ever silence is golden to those who seek power and control and do not wish to share the wealth. who ever has the gold in Currency and knowledge, makes the rules.

Sincerely

Christopher James Bulger

Originally posted by abeverage
In any group there is always an Inner circle that is divided by 2 or consists of 2 concentric rings...

You of all people should know this, unless you your self are doing the recruiting.

Which ever the case may be I believe there is within special organizations two circles like you said. Circle A and the less talked about Circle B only because the "initiate" must be conditioned to accept certain things before that circle (curtain) is revealed.

One dark and One light as with the duality of all things on this world. I suppose too that neither is truly bad or good in the grand scheme of thing or depending upon your view as perhaps their end goal is the same. One creates chaos the other order but both believe that their actions will bring about a new world.

Personally bringing heaven to earth is not a possibility and certainly bringing it by making earth so hellish (the dark) that a savior will arise is not my path...

So you need to think which path follows your heart. Must re-creation be built upon the ashes of destruction or is there another way?

I am also curious of what you will choose, perhaps your actions will choose for you and you will never know or you will and I will never know if I am correct...LOL

edit on 26-5-2013 by abeverage because: (no reason given)

I've no knowledge of inner or outer circles, or of A's and B's. I am a charter member of my club which is a significant worldwide organisation, which has both local and international projects, we all work together.

Originally posted by smurfy

Originally posted by abeverage
In any group there is always an Inner circle that is divided by 2 or consists of 2 concentric rings...

You of all people should know this, unless you your self are doing the recruiting.

Which ever the case may be I believe there is within special organizations two circles like you said. Circle A and the less talked about Circle B only because the "initiate" must be conditioned to accept certain things before that circle (curtain) is revealed.

One dark and One light as with the duality of all things on this world. I suppose too that neither is truly bad or good in the grand scheme of thing or depending upon your view as perhaps their end goal is the same. One creates chaos the other order but both believe that their actions will bring about a new world.

Personally bringing heaven to earth is not a possibility and certainly bringing it by making earth so hellish (the dark) that a savior will arise is not my path...

So you need to think which path follows your heart. Must re-creation be built upon the ashes of destruction or is there another way?

I am also curious of what you will choose, perhaps your actions will choose for you and you will never know or you will and I will never know if I am correct...LOL

edit on 26-5-2013 by abeverage because: (no reason given)

I've no knowledge of inner or outer circles, or of A's and B's. I am a charter member of my club which is a significant worldwide organisation, which has both local and international projects, we all work together.

Perhaps I should rephrase that to any organizations that have been around for a few generations. When you look around at political structures (left & right), economies (up or down), ideologies (black & white), religion (heaven or hell), dualism is very apparent in at least in most western beliefs some eastern too (yin & yang).

I was not addressing just "some club" and unless you rank among those in the upper echelon and have been "tapped" then none of what I said would apply. You have no knowledge of inner circles because either you wish it to be that way or they do. Do I have proof of this or is it just speculation, well I know if you go to deep in the water that you drown without having to dive in. Observation and logic tell me that is true the same applied to dualism.

Originally posted by abeverage

I was not addressing just "some club" and unless you rank among those in the upper echelon and have been "tapped" then none of what I said would apply. You have no knowledge of inner circles because either you wish it to be that way or they do. Do I have proof of this or is it just speculation, well I know if you go to deep in the water that you drown without having to dive in. Observation and logic tell me that is true the same applied to dualism.

It is purely speculation, with no basis in fact, only assumption. And this becomes a problem, because people begin to take all of the inexactitudes as fact.

In fact, there is no logic at all in the idea that those who are on the outside of any organization can see the "upper echelons" when actual members can't. If the people involved in an organization are so guarded they don't let their own members know, logic demands that those who are not involved know even less.

They are probably conspiring to throw you a surprise birthday party. Act like you didn't know.

Interesting thread Charles. As always.

After reading your OP, first thing that came to my mind was Knights of Columbus. Is that the group your involved in?

Edit to expand:

I am no expert and really know very little on the topic, but I have heard that the knights of Columbus "joined forces" with the Knights of the Golden Circle in the early 1900's. Circle A..Circle B.

Ring a bell?