Bee's Honey: Most Potent Medicine, Biggest Cover Up in Medical History - Exposed!

Originally posted by shapur
My grandfather lived to be a 108 yrs old...He used to tell us that secret of his youth(he looked much younger than his age)was to eat Honey,garlic,almonds,lemon,olive oil, sea foods,grapes and lots of vegetables for most of his life...He was also very organized and on time....He never had any serious illness and he died of simply old age.....People have been treating themselves using herbs and natural remedies for ages.Long before all this big Karma took over and made us all their slaves.

Look, eating healthy will make you live longer. That's a scientific fact any doctor will tell you. It's something Big Pharma will tell you. All the foods you list are healthy foods.

But there are many other factors involved. There just isn't a single food you can eat that will make you live longer. There are also many genetic components involved.

reply to post by muzzleflash


Hello!
A little information on myself before I go off, I am in my intern year, have graduated medical school and now work at a major hospital. To keep myself, and my patients confidential I have changed my name ( my last name doesn't begin with a G') but after four years of medical school, with countless hours spent in anatomy labs, and research labs in general.

With this, I can tell you then a lot more than honey goes into making your body function well, and by NO MEANS has all of the nutrients that you body needs. Just off the top of my head I can tell you that there is no protein. I took pharmacology classes, and learned about medication.

If honey were to work, the hospitals doctors would have known of this by now. Hospitals want to spend the least amount of there resources, and money on you as possible. If honey were to work, I guarantee you that a hospital would have set up some sort of 'Honey I.V', because that would be cheaper than even saline, and could be distilled on the premises.

Sorry to say but you need a little more than honey to keep you healthy, honey.

Also your information about Hippocrates and other famous Greeks living a long lives, take a look at where they lived. With the Mediterranean climate they could be outside practically all year long, getting constant exercise. With no corn, or peanuts, they could only fry foods in olive oil, which was never done. Meat was also a luxury item, which meant many had to turn to the sea for subsistence. Without all the mercury pollution, a person could live on seafood, which is incredibly healthy for you. Also with Bath's people were sanitary. The life expectancy was low though, with many deaths at birth, and before the age of five. But a general rule was you live past five you can live to 70.

There is a lot to read. So thank you for this gigantic list of resources on Honey...Especially to Muzzleflash for starting the conversation. So out of laziness...(actually brought on by one massive headache today). I have a question.
Obviously all pure honey is not the same. Seems that location, and the local flower acces would have an effect on honey composition. So how much of honey's effectiveness is brought on by the flower types, and how much is it effected by how the bee's process it?

I'm still reading this thread, but I see posts that resemble "honey is good but not a miracle cure because it doesn't work for me." Which I can see why someone would want to debate on personal experience, but there are so many other roots for disease. Example, poor emotional health exacerbates EVERY illness. No amount of healthy food will fight the problems constant stress causes. Of course honey won't help a lot if you're not taking care of your body outside of the physical realm. You have to take care of your emotional body and mental body.
Honey is full of nutrients. I'm glad others have mentioned cinnamon, and other natural "cures". I think garlic is severely underrated. Tomatoes are phenomenal. Avocados... The list could go on and on. I read peppers (chilis) have more vitamin C than a glass of orange juice.
It's also important to note what bad things you're putting in your body, your emotional and mental health, your stress levels and how much meat you're eating.
You can have honey every day but if you still eat McDonald, or lack discipline of the mind.... Haha
Get my point?
Amazing thread I'm going to keep reading. I don't know if anyone mentioned what I did, but I figure it couldn't hurt.

reply to post by Kroshka


There is a whole food called 'milk'.

Liquid milk contains everything that body needs in terms of food.

Babies grow quickly just on a diet of milk.

Ayurved advises an adult human to drink two large glasses of milk daily (morning and evening, preferably unsweetened).

Honey in small quantities mixed with yogurt is very good for increasing resistance to diseases.

However purity is important in all foods. Pollution and vet medicines have made animal foods quite risky in modern times. But what can we do.

Yes purity is something I could never stress enough. I know milk is very important in terms of diet - raw milk from grass fed cows. The only problem I see is, cows are artificially inseminated to produce milk and what happens to their babies? I'm from the United States and the treatment of cows isn't that great. I'm also lactose intolerant so the milk thing is not my friend haha.
I don't want bad karma due to unethical milk, but this is just my personal belief I don't push onto others.
I've read a lot of things about raw milk and agree it's very helpful. But I also believe in negative "energy" and cows are more aware than people give them credit for. Ayurveda has helped me out quite a bit, even if my Doshas were tough to figure out. It's defenetly a medical science I pay a lot of respect to.

reply to post by Kroshka


Artificial insemination is just speeding up evolution, taking sperm from desirable bulls, and putting it into the egg of a female cow with desirable traits. Nothing bad!

And like I said before, honey is no cure all. Certain foods are good for you, and your immune system because of the bacteria they contain. Honey, Yogurt, Milk, and Herbs, all have these cultures that are good for your immune system.

All modern medicine has done is refined these plants and produced by products in a STERILE, STERILE factory.

reply to post by Sankari


I don't mean the actual Honey itself ya twit - I mean the research programs and information that reveal how potent it is as an anti-everything...

I don't see any posters up that advertise what Muzzle has explained, do you? I've never seen an advert on TV for it; I only see Macmillan & CancerResearch, as well as other such organisations, (why aren't they on the bandwagon?).

That is the suppression I was talking about - fair enough it['s hiding in plain sight but if a guy on a conspiracy website can find all this info out through his own research then how come it's not mainstream? Stick it on the shop shelves and no-one will suspect it can give you super-hero-powers!


~ CrzayFool.

Great thread Muzzleflash! I appreciate how much effort you put into this thread. My girlfriend is very a very avid naturopath, and she will love to read through all this info about honey. S&F

Originally posted by DoctorG

...I can tell you then a lot more than honey goes into making your body function well, and by NO MEANS has all of the nutrients that you body needs. Just off the top of my head I can tell you that there is no protein.

How many classes did you take on nutrition as part of your medical education? This is an honest question. I have seen the numbers about how much exposure M.D.s get to nutrition, and it's alarming that they generally get only a few credit hours...

I have had some training in nutrition, so I know off the top of my head that honey does indeed have protein, as does virtually every other food, at least in trace amounts. It really has not been well-established how much protein our bodies actually need. I'm not advocating a "just honey and water" diet; I'm just doing the philosophy thing -- problematizing truth claims ;-)

reply to post by DoctorG


The insemenation may not be, but imagine having a child and then giving birth, then having your child taken from you. I'm not going to fool myself into thinking that's ethical. Especially when I find cows to be sacred. Again, that's the practices here. I am ignorant to the practices elsewhere.

Never said honey was a cure, nor is any other food. Your own body makes the cures, and certain foods helps this process. I'm sure that's why I mentioned mental and emotional health to be key factors to consider. I know my heart condition gets deadly when presented with abnormal amounts of stress.

reply to post by muzzleflash


Cutting thread (as usual) Muzzleflash!

When you come to real-ise that hemp oil cures all forms of cancer,
you come to realise that something is basically and fundamentally wrong
with the world we find ourselves in, and with All its institutions.

Fight People, Fight! Our Lives Have Value And Meaning, God Damn It!

ETA: eyes low, ATS upper echelons!

reply to post by muzzleflash


Try and combine honey bee and Nigella sativa. Long Life

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by RothchildRancor
How effective has honey shown in reversing later stages of cancer like stage 5 lung cancer, and hodgkin's disease?

Also does it have any effect of ridding the body of toxins?

Those are good questions and I do not know yet.
I will conduct some research into this later.

Thanks for asking though.

Yes please PM me if you find anything. This is incredibly important to me!

I know for an absolute fact that all of this is overhyped sensationalist BS.

I see you have laid all of your cards on the table MuzzleFlash, and while your aces four-of-a-kind is quite impressive, it would interest you to know that I hold a royal flush, even though nothing is wild, and I refuse to show you my hand. I'm busy, yet still have plenty of time to follow, respond, and take jabs.

So please just blindly accept my appeal to authority on the matter even though I offer absolutely nothing to back it up, and pay no mind to any of my freshly rolled cheerleaders to trade stars with.

*deep breath*

Now that we've got that out of the way, I sincerely applaud you for your exhaustive efforts in putting this thread together - it was a lot to digest but it went down very sweet.

Thanks much to you and everyone else who contributed to this thread in a constructive manner, there are a bunch of cool ideas in here to try out.

Here's what honey actually is:

Raw Honey Nutrition
Honey is mostly carbohydrates in the form of fructose and glucose, according to the USDA National Nutrient Database. It contains no fat or cholesterol and negligible amounts of dietary fiber, protein and all 20 amino acids. Of the vitamins, honey is highest in Vitamin C, with 0.5 grams per 100 grams. It also has trace amounts of several B vitamins and choline and betaine. Honey contains some quantity of all the minerals, though it is highest in potassium, with 52 milligrams per 100 grams, followed distantly by fluoride, calcium, phosphorus and sodium. It also contains polyphenols, a type of antioxidant. Antioxidants scavenge and destroy cell-damaging free radicals which can otherwise cause a range of adverse effects including increased disease risk. According to the National Honey Board, darker honey has a higher antioxidant content than lighter honey.


Read more: www.livestrong.com...

Fructose is essentially a poison.
www.youtube.com...

There's a reason why it tastes so sweet and that's the sugar which gets broken down into fructose.

Yeah, honey is fine...unless your immune system is weak. Then it goes from tasty sweetener to possible lethal vector. Ever wonder why you're not supposed to feed honey to young children? Their intestinal fauna and immune systems are too weak to protect them against...wait for it, botulism. Yep, honey (as well as most other canned products, especially homemade ones) can be a path to infection by Clostridium botulinum, which produces the single most toxic compound known to man.

reply to post by DoctorG


If you signed on to ATS just to post in this thread ! Very few are going to listen to you.
No one is even saying what you have implied. "Honey is a cure all ", who said that ?
Most people, are so sick of you people and your HMOs and your WHOs.
And you're oath of absolute hypocrisy and all the quackery.

Good luck with your career !

For anyone interested in the subject of raw Honey as a potential curative or preventative against viruses and bacteria...here's a Master's Thesis i read before finding this thread.

Interesting in vivo studies using vapourised or nebulised Honey and distilled water, on sheep.

(no sheep were harmed if you're worried about that kind of thing)

Positive results were achieved, under lab test conditions.

At the very least, it's proof that Honey is actually doing something positive for the body other than basic nutrition.

Honey as an antiviral agent against respiratory syncytial virus

Extract of text:

Respiratory syncytial virus is the most frequent cause of hospitalization for viral respiratory infections in infants and young children worldwide. It also severely affects immunocompromised adults and the elderly, however, despite decades of efforts, there is no proven effective treatment for RSV infection and attempts at vaccine development have been hampered by several major obstacles.

A large amount of research has established the potent antibacterial activity of honey, but its activity against viral species has been the subject of only a small number of studies.

And:

The results confirmed that treatment with honey had caused inhibition of viral replication, there being very little virus detected in honey-treated cells compared with untreated cells infected with RSV.

Experiments using quantitative PCR also demonstrated the inhibitory effect of honey on RSV at the transcription level, with significant differences in the mRNA copy numbers of two out of the three viral genes examined.

Attempts at isolating the antiviral component in honey demonstrated that the sugar was not responsible for the inhibition of RSV, but that methylglyoxal may play a part in the greater potency of Manuka honeys against RSV.

It is concluded from the findings in this study that honey may possibly be an effective antiviral treatment for the therapy of respiratory viral infections, and provides justification for future in vitro studies and clinical trials.

Kind of speaks for itself really, but read the full PDF (quite a long paper, so skimming is fine) to get a better idea of what was discovered during experimentation.

Quite apart from what member 'doctorG' reckons, it shows that Honey is at least another natural substance we can add to the ever growing list of the myriad natural products that desparately need more directed and properly funded research that could ultimately be used to enhance and protect our health, especially in 'superbug' territory, where so many pharma products and substances are apparently failing to protect people's health and failing miserably to do so.

A very thought provoking and well informed post well done ! I have always been a fan of honey, but I never had just how many healing properties it had !

S+F