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4.6 %. At the risk of being honest
Hardly over run is it ?
www.gatestoneinstitute.org...
By any measure, what it reveals is a country undergoing seismic change. Over the course of a decade up to four million more people have entered the country to live. In the capital, London, people identifying themselves as "white British" have for the first time become a minority. Perhaps most strikingly, the national Muslim population has doubled.
Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by woodwardjnr
Sorry. I'll be back later... I'm busy right now.
I'll try to respond to posters later.
But to your post... Its just funny how posters are mentioning the War and we have Two teams from Germany competing in the Champions League Final Tonight at a Venue in London, 3 days after a man was hacked to death for wearing a T-shirt which read 'help for heroes'
Originally posted by cody599
But like I said 4,6% is hardly a take over. Think about that
edit on 25/5/13 by cody599 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by cody599
Stop being so alarmist
I live next door to Luton in a mainly white christian community all be it a rough area, armed police are walking the streets in Luton, one of the largest Muslim communities in Britain
No tension here, no thoughts of retribution for a couple of nutters with a knife that lost the plot.
Just life as normal
Codyedit on 25/5/13 by cody599 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Galvatron
Lets look at the fundamental issues at the base layer.
National security is the survival of the nation state (the people, the laws, the societal system, and the culture) from internal and external threats.
In the US and the UK you have a separation of church and state. That is to say that religion cannot affect the people, the laws, the societal system, and the culture without the people's express voluntary action. Islam explicitly demands the fusion of church and state through it's various tenets, but also explicitly through sharia. This ideology from the most fundamental of base layers therefore constitutes a well defined and categorical threat to national security for countries that require a separation of church and state as part of their national identity. It really is that simple.
However, Islam is unique in that it not only dictates a moral, cultural, and societal system, but a political and legal system as well. It is quite literally a complete system. The religion demands its followers to ignore the law of the land if it isn't Islam. If that is not a direct threat to the national security of a country that separates church and state, then I don't know what is.
I find most religious ideology abhorrent, savage, and backwards. I take individuals for who they are, and my Muslim friends would probably hate to hear me say this, even though most of them are only sporadic practitioners. It is, however true.
People can ignore it as much as they like, but that's the basis of the situation. When Muslim populations in non-Muslim countries reach a certain percentage, then that country, regardless of how successful its original system was for its people, turns Muslim. People don't like to mention it or are ignorant of it, but that's one of the many reasons for the Yugoslavian civil war that wracked the Balkans throughout the duration of the 1990s.edit on 25-5-2013 by Galvatron because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by BellaSabre
Originally posted by cody599
Stop being so alarmist
I live next door to Luton in a mainly white christian community all be it a rough area, armed police are walking the streets in Luton, one of the largest Muslim communities in Britain
No tension here,
Just life as normal
Codyedit on 25/5/13 by cody599 because: (no reason given)
Lol! You do realize this is an oxymoron? If there is no tension, then why the heck are armed police walking the streets?edit on 5/25/2013 by BellaSabre because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by cody599
4.6 %. At the risk of being honest
Hardly over run is it ?
It’s getting there.
www.gatestoneinstitute.org...
By any measure, what it reveals is a country undergoing seismic change. Over the course of a decade up to four million more people have entered the country to live. In the capital, London, people identifying themselves as "white British" have for the first time become a minority. Perhaps most strikingly, the national Muslim population has doubled.
…and their voice seems to be much louder than yours.
We don’t have Islam problems in US like you have. Do you realize that UK has @ as many Muslims as the US even though we have @ 250,000,000 more people?
Originally posted by BellaSabre
Originally posted by cody599
Stop being so alarmist
I live next door to Luton in a mainly white christian community all be it a rough area, armed police are walking the streets in Luton, one of the largest Muslim communities in Britain
No tension here, no thoughts of retribution for a couple of nutters with a knife that lost the plot.
Just life as normal
Codyedit on 25/5/13 by cody599 because: (no reason given)
Lol! You do realize this is an oxymoron? If there is no tension, then why the heck are armed police walking the streets?edit on 5/25/2013 by BellaSabre because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by HelenConway
Originally posted by BellaSabre
Originally posted by cody599
Stop being so alarmist
I live next door to Luton in a mainly white christian community all be it a rough area, armed police are walking the streets in Luton, one of the largest Muslim communities in Britain
No tension here,
Just life as normal
Codyedit on 25/5/13 by cody599 because: (no reason given)
Lol! You do realize this is an oxymoron? If there is no tension, then why the heck are armed police walking the streets?edit on 5/25/2013 by BellaSabre because: (no reason given)
Luton circa 2009 - no tension then either !!!!!!!
Originally posted by khimbar
Originally posted by cody599
But like I said 4,6% is hardly a take over. Think about that
edit on 25/5/13 by cody599 because: (no reason given)
What percentage would concern you? 10%? 15% 50%?
Whichever it is, it has to go through 4.6% to get there.
Get up, clean up, sweep away the riots Doing nothing wasn't an option after the riots, so people started the clean-up themselves. How very British
Originally posted by HelenConway
Originally posted by Hopechest
I will admit that racial tension is definitely on the rise in Briton but I'm curious what type of clash you think is coming.
Will it be gang fights in the street or will the parliament kick out muslims?
I doubt the latter will happen and the former will not change anything so........
I am NOT advocating this but it HAS happened before.
Many times.
Groups of people have been chucked out of Britain and Western Europe - that is a fact.
The British were more or less kicked out of Africa and India.
Unfortunately, in Europe- it last happened very recently[ in relative history] in Germany and we all know that story.
Which then led to another displacement of peoples in the middle east and we all know that story.
France have been kicking out the Roma, as recently as last year.
So do not be so certain in your conclusions.
Addit: The muslims have been kicked out of Europe more then once.edit on 25-5-2013 by HelenConway because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist
reply to post by woodwardjnr
I'm not holding a grudge, its just that the Events leading upto tonights Final is kind of funny.
Anyway, that may be for another Thread.
I would like to keep the Focus on 'Clashes Of Civilizations' and in particular People versus islam which is referred to in the linked article in OP.
What happened back in the War? The Jews were killed and/or kicked out.
Is what happening in the UK the Pre-curser for the next War to kick off? Lets say we started to kick the 'Muslims' out.... what would happen?
Originally posted by HelenConway
reply to post by Revolution9
Revolution I am not advocating the above - I was just saying what happened in Europe in the past.
I think the world is in turmoil right now - I think it will get worse. I think we all need a sanctuary.
Addit: I don't know where any of us belong anymore.
But as far as I am concerned you are English. You belong here if this is where you want to live and no one I am sure would question that. Why would they ?edit on 25-5-2013 by HelenConway because: (no reason given)