Woolwich attack: MI5 'offered job to suspect

I don't know if anyone saw Newsnight last night, but they had an interesting interview with one of the Woolwich terrorists close friends.
He makes a number of claims. Including claims that Michael Adebolajo had been physically and sexually abused by the Kenyan military and approached by MI5 regarding his beliefs, that turned into an offer to go and work for them.

In his Newsnight interview, Abu Nusaybah said he thought "a change" had taken place in his friend after his detention by security forces on a trip to Kenya last year. Abu Nusaybah said Mr Adebolajo suggested he had been physically and sexually abused during an interrogation in a prison cell in the African country. After this, he became withdrawn "and less talkative - he wasn't his bubbly self", Abu Nusaybah added. He said Mr Adebolajo also told him that, upon his return, he was "followed up by MI5" who were "knocking on his door".

The video interview is embedded in the link.
www.bbc.co.uk...

Abu Nudaybah was soon arrested at BBC studios shortly after he gave the interview.

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I suppose it makes sense to try and contact people like that as soon as you see there is a potential threat. Prevention is better than a cure and you would rather have them in your tent pissing out than outside pissing in.

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Standard MI5 procedure I think.

I find it interesting that the British press is trying to deflect attention away from Islam itself by attacking the BNP, the EDL and even MI5.

I'm not sure if people realize how many radical Muslims are out there. A survey for channel 4 put the number at 9% of British Muslims. We have about 3 million. 9% of 3 million is over 250,000 radicals.

MI5 doesn't have the resources to keep close tabs on all of those radicals.

You beat me to it OP.

If this doesn't raise any red flags, I don't know what will...

Originally posted by LiveForever8
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I suppose it makes sense to try and contact people like that as soon as you see there is a potential threat. Prevention is better than a cure and you would rather have them in your tent pissing out than outside pissing in.

I agree with you. It's worth a shot, especially if he's in close contact with other suspects.

Originally posted by ollncasino
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Standard MI5 procedure I think.

edit on 25-5-2013 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)

Standard procedure to try and recruit terrorists? I guess I agree...

Originally posted by ollncasino
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Standard MI5 procedure I think.

Agreed

I find it interesting that the British press is trying to deflect attention away from Islam itself by attacking the BNP, the EDL and even MI5.

Its wrong to insult Islam or critisize any aspect of it, I have seen muslims with placards stating behead those that do

I'm not sure if people realize how many radical Muslims are out there. A survey for channel 4 put the number at 9% of British Muslims. We have about 3 million. 9% of 3 million is over 250,000 radicals

.

Thats 3 million we know about

MI5 doesn't have the resources to keep close tabs on all of those radicals.

We need a better solution than keeping a close track of them.

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Originally posted by soulwaxer

Originally posted by ollncasino
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Standard MI5 procedure I think.

edit on 25-5-2013 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)

Standard procedure to try and recruit terrorists? I guess I agree...

Ah but is he a terrorist before he commits a terrible act ?

Originally posted by dam00

Originally posted by soulwaxer

Originally posted by ollncasino
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Standard MI5 procedure I think.

edit on 25-5-2013 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)

Standard procedure to try and recruit terrorists? I guess I agree...

Ah but is he a terrorist before he commits a terrible act ?

Whatever he was at the time, he certainly didn't have the profile of your typical MI5 agent, I would think.

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So what's the solution? I'm not going to turn to the EDL or BNP, because I know its not just extremist Muslims they would want to get rid of,if they ever did come to power. By the response of the british public this week Its far more likely we will turn to a far right wing party before sharia ever gets close to establishing anything representing political power in this country.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
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So what's the solution? I'm not going to turn to the EDL or BNP, because I know its not just extremist Muslims they would want to get rid of,if they ever did come to power. By the response of the british public this week Its far more likely we will turn to a far right wing party before sharia ever gets close to establishing anything representing political power in this country.

If we where just a little bit fussy about who we let in to our Country I think that would make a massive difference at the moment we have anyone and everyone
EDL are a joke I mean look what they done recently Lets get drunk and go and do a mosque (and get caught )
BNP I have no words to be fair I think they could have been a decent party but I dont think nick wants that
I agree with some of what they say but they are just to extreme in there views (no people skills)

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Many of the extremists are born here and radicalised here. The two woolwich terrorists were Christians who converted to Islam. We need to find out how and why so many young people are turning to this version of Islam. I understand that many of the mosques and madrassahs are funded by the Saudis. One of our closet Allies in the Middle East. The same ones funding the throat cutters in Syria.

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I think you are right calling it this version of Islam, it is like a poison, I could tell a story about a friend of mine who I grew up with, he has always been a muslim but in the last 5 yeas he has changed dramatically
but it deserves a thread all of its own and isnt really approrriate at this very sad time

Originally posted by ollncasino
I find it interesting that the British press is trying to deflect attention away from Islam itself by attacking the BNP, the EDL and even MI5.

Yes, because there hasn't been a death caused by a terrorist in the UK since 2005.
The BNP and EDL have caused far more problems in this country in their protests than any Muslim, becoming violent in the streets, rioting with police, vandalizing property...
There is also a greater risk of violence from far-right groups in this country than from Muslims, this is not debatable it is a mathematical fact.

Originally posted by ollncasino
I'm not sure if people realize how many radical Muslims are out there. A survey for channel 4 put the number at 9% of British Muslims. We have about 3 million. 9% of 3 million is over 250,000 radicals.

Funny, the statistics I have seen show lower numbers than that.
And, shockingly, the source I have from 2011 is the right wing DAILY MAIL!

SOURCE

According to your very own tabloid mouthpiece, the Muslim population in the UK in 2011 was 1,647,000 Muslims - 2.7 per cent of the UK population.

Are we expected to believe that this number has jumped up so significantly in two years?

If you would like to offer at least one link to prove the belief you have shared, that would help. If not, I'm gonna suggest you're doing what you tend to do in all these discussions about immigration, Muslims and the EDL/BNP, and say it's propaganda

Originally posted by soulwaxer

Originally posted by dam00

Originally posted by soulwaxer

Originally posted by ollncasino
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Standard MI5 procedure I think.

edit on 25-5-2013 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)

Standard procedure to try and recruit terrorists? I guess I agree...

Ah but is he a terrorist before he commits a terrible act ?

Whatever he was at the time, he certainly didn't have the profile of your typical MI5 agent, I would think.

I suspect he was being recruited as an 'asset' rather than being offered a job in the civil service.

Thats how intelligence works. Agents don't break into establishments in a balaclava. They are trained to spot and recruit the weak links in other organisations and causes.

Its the nature of the job to be able to befriend and when necessary betray the unstable and the villainous.

oh god the conspiracy nuts will jump over all this and claim it was mind control

The point is the two that murdered the soldier are NOT terrorists...far from it.

They ARE murdering scumbags though and deserve everything they get for what they did to their victim.

If they were indeed Terrorists, they would have been hacking and slashing at as many of the onlookers and passers by as they possibly could have gotten to....they did not.

In fact, they were casually chatting to some of the witnesses, as though they were passing the time of day talking about the weather or some other innocent topic of conversation.

Terrorists don't do that. Most murderers don't do that either in all honesty but nobody is calling murderers Terrorists.

I'm sure the scene the people witnessed was indeed terrifying, but that doesn't make a terrorist. If it did, Stephen King and other authors of Horror novels and movies would be rotting in prison charged with terrorism. Being terrified by someone or because of someone does not make them a terrorist.

I'm sure they woudl have been a lot more terrified if the two murderers started hacking into the crowd, but they didn't.

The media and Government seem to be latching onto these two murderers as Terrorists for no other reason than to reinforce the fear of 'terrorists' mindset they have carefully cultivated amoung the public over the last decade.

Murders happen, sometimes for personal reasons, sometimes for financial reasons, sometimes there is no reason other than mindless violence, or insanity on the part of the murderer.

What next...speeding in your car is Terrorism?

Breaking and entering?

Or any other everyday crime?

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It was Ji had,so maybee we should make Ji had a crime in itself
any form of it should be classed as a crime against humanity

Originally posted by MysterX
The point is the two that murdered the soldier are NOT terrorists...far from it.

They ARE murdering scumbags though and deserve everything they get for what they did to their victim.

If they were indeed Terrorists, they would have been hacking and slashing at as many of the onlookers and passers by as they possibly could have gotten to....they did not.

In fact, they were casually chatting to some of the witnesses, as though they were passing the time of day talking about the weather or some other innocent topic of conversation.

Terrorists don't do that. Most murderers don't do that either in all honesty but nobody is calling murderers Terrorists.

I'm sure the scene the people witnessed was indeed terrifying, but that doesn't make a terrorist. If it did, Stephen King and other authors of Horror novels and movies would be rotting in prison charged with terrorism. Being terrified by someone or because of someone does not make them a terrorist.

I'm sure they woudl have been a lot more terrified if the two murderers started hacking into the crowd, but they didn't.

The media and Government seem to be latching onto these two murderers as Terrorists for no other reason than to reinforce the fear of 'terrorists' mindset they have carefully cultivated amoung the public over the last decade.

Murders happen, sometimes for personal reasons, sometimes for financial reasons, sometimes there is no reason other than mindless violence, or insanity on the part of the murderer.

What next...speeding in your car is Terrorism?

Breaking and entering?

Or any other everyday crime?

No it was terrorism at its most basic.

Commit an act of violence calculated to invoke fear and trigger a particular policy response - terrorism.

They took the time to try and ensure their political point was recorded on video, while the body was still lying in the background. That is not the actions of random nutters or normal criminals.

Their point was 'we did this because you're in Muslim lands and if you don't stop there will be more of this'.

Its doesn't get any more clearly political and hence more clearly terrorism than that.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
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So what's the solution? I'm not going to turn to the EDL or BNP, because I know its not just extremist Muslims they would want to get rid of,if they ever did come to power. By the response of the british public this week Its far more likely we will turn to a far right wing party before sharia ever gets close to establishing anything representing political power in this country.

Lets also not forget that there were links between Anders Behring Breivik and the EDL too.

I think there are some things that can be done to improve the security of this country. But the most important thing to understand is that we have not had a successful terrorist attack in the UK since 2005, before this horrific attack. So, we must be doing something right!

We are involved in various places around the world, and it was no secret that this would make us a target. I don't care if Boris wants to pretend it isn't true, the fact is that our involvement in other countries is what has made us a target - this is an undeniable fact. It doesn't give permission, it doesn't excuse, and it's not a defence for anything - but it is a damned fact and I am tired of people using the pathetic accusation of "apologist" against anyone who dares to state the truth.

There is no excuse for what they did, but we would be ignoramuses to deny or ignore the fact that they did it because of our involvement in other countries. They stated this, it is a recorded fact.

No one has to support the EDL/BNP to argue for tougher responses to those who preach hatred, or more monitoring on those who listen to them.