Some Great Art Depicting Disparity between Jesus and Republicans

reply to post by darkbake

did you realize atheists and democrats own guns?

Yeah, cause everyone knows that there are no democrat christians.

Oh...wait... Actually a significant ..wait...a majority of democrats are christians?

How can that possibly be?

Everyone knows that Democrats are all, ok, mostly atheists...hmm...no, that's not true either.

Oh well.

Funny what some folks call "great art"...

Originally posted by FollowTheWhiteRabbit
reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

 

Liberals and conservatives can get along just fine. After all, both parties are equally corrupt, and any good that they've done is quickly trumped by all the evil that they've done.

Really equally Corrupt ! ?

You Call these Corrupt of what Liberals has Done!!





vs This





But....

They all are in the same Boys Club !!

Fascism

don't Believe Me!! what is that on the Wall Behind the podium in the !!!

House of Representatives


and All ways Has Been ..



well they are Stopping our Communication


Well will Lead to this !! sooner then we think !

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck

You might want to fact check the O'Donnell quote before parroting it, unless of course it was used in some strange form of sarcasm.
Anyway, I don't know if Medicare is a program that I would trumpet as a great success.
ETA: It is a mistake to believe that anyone in Congress is out to help us.
It is also a mistake to label this thing Liberals/Republicans. It should be Liberals/Conservatives. There are liberal Republicans. It was the actions of Liberals that passed the Civil Rights Act. Go read the history of it, the act passed because Republicans voted for it . Southern Democrats voted against it.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Mads1987
you are mistaken if you seriously think, that there are people out there, who would have ended up being either leeches, welfare queens, looters or any such, no matter what.

you are mistaken if you seriously think that there are people out there, who haven't chosen to be leeches and looters and welfare queens. NO ONE forced them to be unwed welfare parents with four kids at age 20 ... they decided that all on their own. Those people are out there .. lots of them. And while there are lots of people who legitimately need help .. there are also lots out there who are selfishly taking advantage of the system .. at our expense.

...and that's my problem with liberals. They think others should have to pay for their mistakes.

It's not MY fault that you had 5 kids with 4 different men and none of them stuck around to raise their kids. Why should I have to pay for it? Why am I any less of a christian because I expect people to take responsibility for their own actions?

The OP is just plain nonsense and IMO is political trolling.

Originally posted by darkbake

edit on 23-5-2013 by darkbake because: (no reason given)

Well, in one sense it is kind of accurate. Jesus did command his followers to carry swords with them, and Peter was quick to pull his out (showing they weren't total pacifists)..

Stuff like this mostly lost it's shock value due to lefties over using it and the fact that the people who do stuff like this for the effect tend to not have values or principles themselves(Rules for Radical's, using someones own principles against them as a way to create a psychopathic friendly society[world without principles]).

Originally posted by Nicks87

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Mads1987
you are mistaken if you seriously think, that there are people out there, who would have ended up being either leeches, welfare queens, looters or any such, no matter what.

you are mistaken if you seriously think that there are people out there, who haven't chosen to be leeches and looters and welfare queens. NO ONE forced them to be unwed welfare parents with four kids at age 20 ... they decided that all on their own. Those people are out there .. lots of them. And while there are lots of people who legitimately need help .. there are also lots out there who are selfishly taking advantage of the system .. at our expense.

...and that's my problem with liberals. They think others should have to pay for their mistakes.

It's not MY fault that you had 5 kids with 4 different men and none of them stuck around to raise their kids. Why should I have to pay for it? Why am I any less of a christian because I expect people to take responsibility for their own actions?

The OP is just plain nonsense and IMO is political trolling.

Because God commands it. Certain aspects are debatable, but in the Old Testament it is clear that welfare protections for the general populace existed and are far more Godly then a smug sense of "not my problem, let them starve". They are littered all over Deuteronomy. From alimony for unjustly divorced wives(when women had little economic power and couldn't fend for themselves too much as all labor power was purely physical labor), to a form of food stamp type program.

Back in Biblical times, the poor had the God given right to pick the fields for their substances only,enough to survive. It was a grave crime though, and thought to be a form of theft for the poor to steal cattle. Look at the Old Testament, most offerings to God are in the form of aid to the poor(mostly in the form of sharing ones table with the poor).

Unless your suggesting a busing program to enable the poor, especially the urban poor, access to the fields of farmers in order to pick their substances, a food stamp type program is the most efficient, convenient and charitable way of ensuring they get their pickings. Now you could argue that food stamps shouldn't cover meat and that could be in line with Biblical principles, but may be against some aspects of the Gospel. If I remember correctly, Jesus(or one of the Apostles), chided people for hoarding food as hoarded food still rots or something along those lines. The underlining message is if you can you should(in terms of helping people).


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besides, the quote is from Thessalonians, a "book" of the New testament. I won't even call it Gospel as it came from Paul, someone whose claim to Christianity was that he had a vision in which Jesus commanded him to stop attacking Christians. Back then, Christianity was popular with the slave/ lower classes, in order to gain acceptance of Christianity form the pagans, the plan was to suck up to the rich and worldly authorities.

Thessalonians is derived from the letters Paul(or his assistant) wrote to different Church's, and ought to be viewed as inferior to the Gospel of Jesus and the Apostles, and most especially inferior to the Law(Torah/Old Testament).



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The problem is, a good chunk of Christianity is more heavily influenced by Paul then by Jesus.

reply to post by FlyersFan


Democrats and Republicans are two sides of the same coin. It is a filthy currency tarnished by greed and corruption that will not longer purchase honest representation for American voters and taxpayers.

PROFESSIONAL POLITICIANS DO NOT WORSHIP CHRIST, THEY WORSHIP POWER AND MONEY!!

Originally posted by Junkheap

Originally posted by LastStarfighter
I thought ATS wasn't about the right left wing bantering. Why bash a whole religion to get attention to your post.

He wasn't bashing a whole religion, he was bashing hypocrisy in the name of religion.

edit on 23-5-2013 by Junkheap because: (no reason given)

Its hypocritical to use a picture of Jesus to make a political point.

Look at all the stereotyping going on in this thread!

Republicans do not all fit into the religious and/or money box.
Democrats do not all fit into the bleeding heart peace/love box.

I took a moment to think of my Rep and Dem friends and family. Those on the Rep side are the most generous with their money. They give to causes and charities near and dear to their hearts and don't make a big deal out of it. They don't all go to church, but some do. Those on the Dem side talk a lot about the need for more dollars to be poured into the issues near and dear to their hearts. They will, however, participate in walks and other activities to raise money. They tend to blow their own horn when they do this. Some of them are church goers, also.

Originally posted by queenofswords
Look at all the stereotyping going on in this thread!

Republicans do not all fit into the religious and/or money box.
Democrats do not all fit into the bleeding heart peace/love box.

I took a moment to think of my Rep and Dem friends and family. Those on the Rep side are the most generous with their money. They give to causes and charities near and dear to their hearts and don't make a big deal out of it. They don't all go to church, but some do. Those on the Dem side talk a lot about the need for more dollars to be poured into the issues near and dear to their hearts. They will, however, participate in walks and other activities to raise money. They tend to blow their own horn when they do this. Some of them are church goers, also.

Same here, its just that if you want to get a lot attention on ATS the strategy is one of two
1. Attack Religion
2. Attack political party

It should be
1. Use logic
2. Learn how all people are individual and special

reply to post by darkbake


So you have decided that biased artwork based on hatred of Republicans is the basis for judging all Republicans and Christians?

What about the Democrat Christian Socialists? I could draw up some things to depict them too....

Shall I draw up something to depict Catholic Nancy Pelosi and her belief in murdering unborn babies? That would be very reminiscent of those bizarre murals at the Denver airport. I could make up a picture depicting her putting one hand in your pocket and the other shelling out bucks to abortion clinics....


How's them apples buddy

Oh by the way, yesterday I was driving and turned on the Glenn Beck program...and Glenn was doing a fundraiser for the victims of the OK tornado. I think something like 1.6 million dollars already raised by then by Glenn Beck followers.
I bet it was more than Chris Matthews raised

ok this Examiner article said it was 1.2 mil by Wednesday which was a whole day sooner than yesterday when I was listening

www.examiner.com...

So much for your depiction of Republican Christians as heartless, selfish money grabbers. But of course people like you misunderstand all of this. Republican Capitalists believe in the free market and freedom to choose whereby we get to choose what charities we give to, and so you see how many chose to gave to Glenn Beck's Mercury program because they trusted him more than they trust the filthy stinking money grabbing power grabbing Statist government.
Christ never taught forced redistribution of wealth over private charity. That is a misnomer pushed by Marxists who have infiltrated the church and politics.

Even the apostle Paul says that giving without love is meaningless.

reply to post by korathin

Because God commands it

Oh please show me in the Old Testament where it says God recommends politicians sticking their hands in my pockets and confiscating my hard earned paycheck to pay for Sandra Flukes contraception or someone else's abortion? This is a sick twisted philosophy and there is a difference between community and communism.

I think you have overlooked Paul's letter to the Galations stating our responsibility to provide for our own means. I don't recall hearing anything about Jesus telling everyone to go on down to PIlate's office and file for welfare and food stamps.

Galatians 6:5

For every man shall bear his own burden.

biblehub.com...

Marxist redistributionists have infiltrated even the Catholic Church and distorted everything.

Perhaps they have also overlooked the Holy Family as the foundation of the family unit.

The shame is that you can take the teachings of Christ who saw every man, women and child as the same in love, can be applied to both christian and non christian producing compassion for all. Doesn't matter what party or belief, treating each other as equals and caring for one another as you would care for yourself would make a world worth living in. The trouble is someone has to be better, have more or rule over others doing whatever it takes to get there.

It seems that man hasn't changed over the centuries. The good get taken advantage of while the bad seeks to rule all. When did the golden rule stop being a good thing and only caring about yourself is now normal.

I don't think the artist is wrong in the basic satire of using Christ, but it is the heart of man no matter what political associations that twist things to serve one's self.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by darkbake

 

Shall I draw up something to depict Catholic Nancy Pelosi and her belief in murdering unborn babies? That would be very reminiscent of those bizarre murals at the Denver airport. I could make up a picture depicting her putting one hand in your pocket and the other shelling out bucks to abortion clinics....

Actually, that would be a really good political cartoon. And I don't like Nancy Pelosi or abortion, either. I can't get over the idea of Democrats (who support helping people) being okay with taking away life like that.

You are right about the generalizing thing, though. The cartoon does make it seem like all Christians are like that, when everyone is different. That brings up the issue of Liberals being some of the heaviest generalizers out there.

Political cartoons spark discussions like the one we are having here. So I fully support art (and good art's entire purpose is to expose flaws in society) and I actually would *like* to see your Nancy Pelosi cartoon.

But I think maybe you are right, focusing on specific people instead of groups might be a super good idea.

Originally posted by LastStarfighter

Originally posted by Junkheap

Originally posted by LastStarfighter
I thought ATS wasn't about the right left wing bantering. Why bash a whole religion to get attention to your post.

He wasn't bashing a whole religion, he was bashing hypocrisy in the name of religion.

edit on 23-5-2013 by Junkheap because: (no reason given)

Its hypocritical to use a picture of Jesus to make a political point.

Well I think the artist was using Jesus to make the point precisely because it was hypocritical.

Here are some more differences between the Republican version of Christ and the Democrat version

While it might be required of Christians to turn the other cheek, governments cannot and must not work that way. If someone hits you, you might do well not to retaliate, and to practice self-sacrifice instead. But the government must not and cannot do that. If your enemy flies jetliners into your skyscrapers in New York, you must not say to them that we have skyscrapers in Chicago too, and that they are free to attack them as well and to do so without fear of retaliation because we are turning the other cheek. That’s because while individuals can practice self-sacrifice, governments cannot. What is being sacrificed when governments turn the other cheek is not themselves but others, perhaps many thousands of others. You cannot self-sacrifice others. Jesus’ teaching here is not about national defense, but about his disciples’ personal lives and personal obligations.

Third, paying taxes is not evil. No sensible citizen thinks it is or that it God prohibits it. But paying unjust taxes, or paying taxes for unjust purposes, such as slaughtering the young by abortion, is evil, and enormously so. When she endorses paying taxes here, the folks Riley seems to have in mind, the rich conservatives, pay far more taxes than anyone else in the nation. Nearly half of Americans pay no income tax at all. If paying taxes is required by this text -- and the way she reads the command to give to Caesar what is his seems to demand it -- then Riley needs to address the non-paying 50% who pay no income tax at all, not the ones who do all the paying, the ones she seems to have in mind. And by what twisted logic are we to assume that our money, the money we for which we ourselves sacrificed and labored, belongs to Caesar? If I am to give him what is actually his, then how does he have claim over my earnings and my income, as if it were his? Caesar didn’t make it.

Furthermore, Jesus does not command us to help the poor by means of government-sponsored redistributionism -- not once, not ever. He talks about the good Samaritan in this regard, not the good bureaucrat or the good government giveaway. These obligations to the poor are your own, and you must not pawn them off onto government, as if government were a suitable agency of Christian love, or as if the obligations of Christian love could be hired out to political or bureaucratic surrogates.

theburkean.blogspot.com...

reply to post by darkbake


If there was a way to depict in cartoon Obama watching the BP Oil spill after dumping his BP Oil stock and then making money after the dump I would do that too. After all Obama is the god of the Left.

Goldman Sachs wasn't alone either in its astute "..foreknowledge" of the collapse of BP's stock value due to the Gulf disaster as BP's own chief executive, Tony Hayward, sold about one-third of his shares weeks before this catastrophe began unfolding too.
But according to this FSB report the largest seller of BP stock in the weeks before this disaster occurred was the American investment company known as Vanguard who through two of their financial arms (Vanguard Windsor II Investor and Vanguard Windsor Investor) unloaded over 1.5 million shares of BP stock saving their investors hundreds of millions of dollars, chief among them President Obama.

For though little known by the American people, their President Obama holds all of his wealth in just two Vanguard funds, Vanguard 500 Index Fund where he has 3 accounts and the Vanguard FTSE Social Index Fund where he holds another 3 accounts, all six of which the FSB estimates will earn Obama nearly $8.5 million a year and which over 10 years will equal the staggering sum of $85 million.

www.sodahead.com...

The moral of the story is don't trust people who can't get enough of other people's money to spend.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by korathin

 

Because God commands it

Oh please show me in the Old Testament where it says God recommends politicians sticking their hands in my pockets and confiscating my hard earned paycheck to pay for Sandra Flukes contraception or someone else's abortion? This is a sick twisted philosophy and there is a difference between community and communism.

I think you have overlooked Paul's letter to the Galations stating our responsibility to provide for our own means. I don't recall hearing anything about Jesus telling everyone to go on down to PIlate's office and file for welfare and food stamps.

Galatians 6:5

For every man shall bear his own burden.

biblehub.com...

Marxist redistributionists have infiltrated even the Catholic Church and distorted everything.

Perhaps they have also overlooked the Holy Family as the foundation of the family unit.

edit on 24-5-2013 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

The teachings are clear to those whose eye's can see, heart that can feel, and mind that can reason. I may be a sinner, but I try to follow the God of Abraham and the Messiah Jesus. This Paul I know not of, nor wish to know of, as any so cruel, are simply devoid of wisdom and know only folly. I am enough of a fool as is, I don't need anymore foolishness.

Deuteronomy 15:7
If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother:

Deuteronomy 15:11 (King James Version)
For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying , Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land.

Deuteronomy 15:19- 22(King James Version)
-All the firstling males that come of thy herd and of thy flock thou shalt sanctify unto the LORD thy God: thou shalt do no work with the firstling of thy bullock, nor shear the firstling of thy sheep.

-Thou shalt eat it before the LORD thy God year by year in the place which the LORD shall choose , thou and thy household.

-And if there be any blemish therein, as if it be lame, or blind, or have any ill blemish, thou shalt not sacrifice it unto the LORD thy God.

-Thou shalt eat it within thy gates: the unclean and the clean person shall eat it alike, as the roebuck, and as the hart.

Leviticus 19:9-10(King James Version)
9 And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest.

10And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the Lord your God.

Luke 14:12-14(King James Version)
12 Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbours; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompence be made thee.

13 But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind:

14 And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.

Lastly, about your greedy attitude:

Mark 12:41-44(King James Version)
41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.

42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.

43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:

44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.

and

Mark 19:21-24(King James Version)
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Your basically saying Paul the Christian killer is greater then the word of God, greater then the Gospel of Jesus and greater then the Sermons of the Apostles. Your not of Christ, you are of Paul.

Originally posted by korathin

Originally posted by Nicks87

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Mads1987
you are mistaken if you seriously think, that there are people out there, who would have ended up being either leeches, welfare queens, looters or any such, no matter what.

you are mistaken if you seriously think that there are people out there, who haven't chosen to be leeches and looters and welfare queens. NO ONE forced them to be unwed welfare parents with four kids at age 20 ... they decided that all on their own. Those people are out there .. lots of them. And while there are lots of people who legitimately need help .. there are also lots out there who are selfishly taking advantage of the system .. at our expense.

...and that's my problem with liberals. They think others should have to pay for their mistakes.

It's not MY fault that you had 5 kids with 4 different men and none of them stuck around to raise their kids. Why should I have to pay for it? Why am I any less of a christian because I expect people to take responsibility for their own actions?

The OP is just plain nonsense and IMO is political trolling.

Because God commands it. Certain aspects are debatable, but in the Old Testament it is clear that welfare protections for the general populace existed and are far more Godly then a smug sense of "not my problem, let them starve". They are littered all over Deuteronomy. From alimony for unjustly divorced wives(when women had little economic power and couldn't fend for themselves too much as all labor power was purely physical labor), to a form of food stamp type program.

Back in Biblical times, the poor had the God given right to pick the fields for their substances only,enough to survive. It was a grave crime though, and thought to be a form of theft for the poor to steal cattle. Look at the Old Testament, most offerings to God are in the form of aid to the poor(mostly in the form of sharing ones table with the poor).

Unless your suggesting a busing program to enable the poor, especially the urban poor, access to the fields of farmers in order to pick their substances, a food stamp type program is the most efficient, convenient and charitable way of ensuring they get their pickings. Now you could argue that food stamps shouldn't cover meat and that could be in line with Biblical principles, but may be against some aspects of the Gospel. If I remember correctly, Jesus(or one of the Apostles), chided people for hoarding food as hoarded food still rots or something along those lines. The underlining message is if you can you should(in terms of helping people).


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besides, the quote is from Thessalonians, a "book" of the New testament. I won't even call it Gospel as it came from Paul, someone whose claim to Christianity was that he had a vision in which Jesus commanded him to stop attacking Christians. Back then, Christianity was popular with the slave/ lower classes, in order to gain acceptance of Christianity form the pagans, the plan was to suck up to the rich and worldly authorities.

Thessalonians is derived from the letters Paul(or his assistant) wrote to different Church's, and ought to be viewed as inferior to the Gospel of Jesus and the Apostles, and most especially inferior to the Law(Torah/Old Testament).

edit on 24-5-2013 by korathin because: (no reason given)

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The problem is, a good chunk of Christianity is more heavily influenced by Paul then by Jesus.

edit on 24-5-2013 by korathin because: (no reason given)

You, like most liberals, are missing the point.

It's not that we don't want to help people. It's that we don't want to be forced to help people that don't need it.

In the past, people did the right thing and helped out the poor families in the neighborhood by leaving a box of food on their doorstep or buying the kids ice cream when the truck came around or they would give money to the church so they could help out the poor.

Nowdays working people cant afford to do that kind of stuff anymore because the govt takes all of our extra money in taxes. Also, no one wants to help the "poor" families in the neighborhood because the poor family is driving a nicer car than you are, has a better cell phone than you do, doesn't pay taxes or a house payment and is responsible for most of the criminal activity in the neighborhood.