Police respond to 'serious incident' in Woolwich

reply to post by McCool


Nope you are completely wrong No fundamentalist religion fits in with the modern world. the really problem is fundamentalism in all religions.

Originally posted by lavenlaar
sorry if been posted in thread already, too many pages,
but video showing the alleged attacker WITH NO BLOOD

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It's easy enough to filter anything Red from the video and do a few lighting tricks, if that suits the agenda of the uploader. We have all seen the blood stained hands and blood soaked clothing so we know it was there in the original video.

Now the military top brass have suggested that the Military do not wear the uniforms outside of barracks. This was agreed protocol during the troubles (i.e. the height of the War in Northern Ireland) .Now the mighty Cameron has countermanded the military and said they should go about in the street in uniform.

Cameron is an Ass!

The gunning down of the 'suspects' as seen on CNN.

I can't believe someone on ATS has a thread claiming in no uncertain terms that the blood was digitally manipulated onto the original video. The original videos were uploaded only minutes after the event took place, the hands and clothing were clearly blood soaked.

This forum is in a sorry state when you have idiots like that with the capability to make threads, and for those who support this theory and back up their claims, I feel sorry for you.

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Like old women gossiping getting everything wrong

Originally posted by Ramcheck
I can't believe someone on ATS has a thread claiming in no uncertain terms that the blood was digitally manipulated onto the original video. The original videos were uploaded only minutes after the event took place, the hands and clothing were clearly blood soaked.

This forum is in a sorry state when you have idiots like that with the capability to make threads, and for those who support this theory and back up their claims, I feel sorry for you.

I made a joke early on that I expected it to not take long before people on ATS were claiming these are all actors and this was all staged, but I didn't think they would actually start that nonsense!

It's pretty worrying to see such distrust, where so many would rather ignore all the most plausible explanations and jump to an accusation that it was a false flag of some kind. There doesn't need to be motive, there doesn't need to be evidence, you could have everything they offer as "evidence" of the lie disprove by fact and they will STILL rather believe that it's part of a massive conspiracy.

Such beliefs are irrational in the extreme, and I would say even delusional. I actually think it's pretty worrying for any parents out there whose kids might be being affected by this kind of anti-government propaganda. That is actually what it amounts to. It's unproven accusation based in nothing but irrational belief, and it's damaging to more naive youngsters who might be coming here for genuine interest in genuine conspiracy theories.

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They dont even look at the facts. Infact the facts could be infront of their face and they couldnt adjust to whats happening. They are DREAMERS.

Let them dream themselves into what ever they are doing.

But any conspiracy buffs who take what they say serious is just on the same train they are and I dont imagine its good to have your head buried underneath the earth. They need a wake up call! Life isnt always pleasent and stuff happens...

Is it me, or is there a new brand of Conspiracy Nut out there? The "Everything is a "FALSE FLAG ATTACK"" morons. They are either so afraid someone is trying to fool them, or these "independent" minded individuals have jumped on a new bandwagon.

What is disappointing especially to me is that it is happening here, on ATS, where I felt certain everyone had the critical thinking skills to tell the difference.

Is it just me? Or am I an operative for the PTB?

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Originally posted by Leonidas
Is it me, or is there a new brand of Conspiracy Nut out there? The "Everything is a "FALSE FLAG ATTACK"" morons. They are either so afraid someone is trying to fool them, or these "independent"

minded individuals have jumped on a new bandwagon.

What is disappointing especially to me is that it is happening here, on ATS, where I felt certain everyone had the critical thinking skills to tell the difference.

Is it just me? Or am I an operative for the PTB?

I agree with you. The number of people on this site who scream 'FALSE FLAG!!!' at the slightest event, is simply horrific. It's as if humanity is actually growing dumber by the day, breeding sheeple who cannot think for themselves and simply believe everything they read on the internet or hear from Glenn Beck and Alex Jones.

In related news, police have arrested two people suspected of involvement with the attack:

A 29-year-old man and a 29-year-old woman have also been arrested on suspicion of conspiracy to murder in connection with the killing.

Police searched five properties in London and one in a village in eastern England, and announced the arrests of a man and a woman, both aged 29, for conspiracy to murder.

The woman was reportedly arrested at a flat in Greenwich in south-east London.

British police are describing the investigation as "large, complex and fast-moving".

(Source).

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As Orwell said, he who controls the present controls the past, he who controls the past controls the future. Governments have been proven time and time again to have lied in the past, despite the rantings of small groups of "conspiracy theorists" of the day. Given this rather irrefutable fact of life, that governments lie always, in the past, in the present and undoubtedly in future, it should be every mans prerogative to utterly distrust anything "official".

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So, to be clear, are you calling this a False-Flag attack?

reply to post by Leonidas


No. But that doesn't mean we'll get the truth does it? This event will be spun just like every other tragic event. No need to manufacture an event when you can just use an existing one to further your agenda. Adds an air of credibility to their feeble argument.


My opinion, this was an attack against the establishment. It was not an attack against the people, it was a message to the people. The message is clear, the state does not care about you, the state cannot protect you and the only way you will ever effect change is to show the state that you are in control of it, violently if necessary. If the state thinks violence is the way to get what you want (it is what they do after all), then it should expect violence when it stops doing what its people want.

This is the truth that will be hidden. Instead you are told you are the problem, you were the target and the state will keep you safe from yourself.

Sorry if this has been discussed.

One thing that has been niggling at me. How did they know he was a soldier?

The victim on the ground doesn't look like he was wearing any kind of uniform. It's been suggested that the victim was wearing a "Help for heroes" T-shirt and he was close to Woolwich barracks. But that is all as far as i'm aware. In a car from a distance before the victim was rammed(?) i doubt they could make out that he was wearing a "Help for Heroes" T-shirt.

The speech seems to insinuate that they killed him because he was a soldier because soldiers are wrongfully killing people in the middle east. Correct me if i'm wrong, i can't find the full speech. But how did they know?

I dont know if it was a false flag. But I wouldnt put it past those snakes in our govt. Economies crashing every where, people out in the streets screaming at their govts all across Europe. But not here in the UK. So before it gets to that point whats needed is some thing to unite us. What better than an attack on the military here in the UK. Ukip surging in popularity Torys crapping them selves that they are losing in the polls. Yes its a good opertunity for the rich kids in govt to get the plebs behind them. If its not a false flag then you can be sure that the govt will use this thing for their own ends.

reply to post by Leonidas


Synonymous with "False Flag" is the term "Paid Government Shill", which is bandied about on here quite liberally.

There seems to be a growing number of members on ATS that have abandoned critical thinking in favor of sheer indulgent speculation bordering on delusional fantasy.

These days it is a "False Flag Attack" until somebody, usually with the patience of a saint/kinder garden teacher, proves it otherwise. Even so the diligent work of some members on here who's only motive is to seek the truth is often ignored, even scorned, and accusations of "Disinfo Agent" etc are the run of the mill.

Welcome to ATS Folks!!

reply to post by skitzspiricy


Perhaps it was an "educated guess". Like it or not, in some parts of London, white people stick out like a sore thumb. So in a predominantly ethnic area, next to a base, it's a safe bet. The tshirt would add credence to that, if the attackers were aware of it. For all we know they could have spotted him going in the opposite direction, done a u-turn, and come back. They could have spotted him elsewhere and followed him. Maybe not as random as we've been led to believe.

reply to post by Leonidas


No it isnt just you. There is a new form of conspiracy theorist. Who just jumps on the band wagon of EVERYTHING. Whilst I like critical thinking, I think they dont realise what an insult they are to the victims. But dont worry as they arent extremely bright. They are sheep, but in the other direction

reply to post by threewisemonkeys


A help for heroes "Hoodie" as they are reporting now, having white skin, near barracks in a busy London area is not indicative of being a soldier.