If the President is a weapon, then use him against the IRS.

[ I don't know if this should be in the Rant section or not,
mods please feel free to move]


He'll do it.
It's the last place that corruption can hide in Washington.
What-the-hell-am-I-talking-about.

I'm probably the only conspiracy theorist that thinks the Federal Reserve,
has served this country well. (should lose 50% of the audience with that one.)
If it wasn't for the independent Federal Reserve, we wouldn't even know
that we have 13.75 trillion in debt. Just like used to happen for hundreds
of years the rulers would just tax the hell out of us, squeeze the peasants,
and then blame the whole problem on us for "being lazy" or for "not
producing enough." But with and independent Fed they can't play that
game. Someone has been keeping accurate records. The debt is real.
And we the people didn't create it.

The [color=gold] only place left to hide corruption is within the IRS.

You want to donate one million to a Candidate? You give the money,
then when elected the candidate gets you one million in tax breaks.
Or better yet, two million as a thank you. With thousands of pages of
tax code, no one can sort it all out. And since they can't hide their
corruption on the printing side, they hide it on the collection side.

Hell the IRS could audit someone, say they owe ten million, slap on
another two million in penalties and then ruin someone that way.
But the day after, they pardon them. On paper anyway. And never
send the twelve million on to the Fed to pay down the debt, and they
never tell the person that it was all a mistake. That money just
disappears. The audited person thinks they paid it, but the Fed
doesn't know to expect it.

The IRS is the last place politicians and corrupt officials can hide
their monkey business. And it looks to me like the President will
do it. He'll investigate them, maybe even get us a flat 30% tax,
with anyone who makes under 40k a year being exempt. Eliminating
thousands of pages of rules, and regulations.

But here is the real problem.

We haven't had a president with the authority to investigate any
department of government since Nixon. The pundit machine is
too well oiled. Someone will fund a divisive issue, and drown out
the sitting President with noise, sound, fury, angry people.

I say to those who dislike Obama, who think he is a threat, or
even "up to something." If he is a weapon, then we should use
him. Against the IRS.

/end rant

Mike Grouchy

[WARNING: some harsh language in the video]


It looks like I'm not the only one
who may think this way.


Mike Grouchy

Donald Rumsfeld almost gets it.

Out of all the scandal in Washington, he says,
the IRS one "is the worst".


Mike Grouchy

Not too bright, and dangerous.
and...
Slightly better trained, and still dangerous.

This man talks about his experience dealing with the IRS
and how unqualified most of the workers are.


Mike Grouchy

What I'm saying is
back the President on this.

Forget the divisive issues, the calls for independent commissions,
the old smoke and mirrors games.

We haven't had a president with the public faith to investigate
any department of Government since Nixon.

Everyone has issues with the IRS and what it has become.

Perhaps the day has come.


Mike Grouchy

True News 9: Screw the National Debt - You Are Not the Nation!

If they can't show your signature, it is not your debt...

Originally posted by TheMagus

True News 9: Screw the National Debt - You Are Not the Nation!

If they can't show your signature, it is not your debt...

3:30 This man is speaking truth to power! He looks like he's in the grip of nervous courage.

... I lost track of time, this guy is blowing me away. Rare to hear someone so well informed. The last conversation I had that felt like this was when I was in Canada for the worlds fair in 1986. In a club one night, talking to Canadians about America.


This man is about two inches away from my position. I say we use the President to take down the IRS. An audit, a flat tax, something. Because we wouldn't be able to disbelieve the national debt, if the independent Fed hadn't been keeping records and making the numbers public.

If we remove the IRS's ability to confuse and conceal, and Politicians/bureaucrats already know the Fed will tell on them,
then maybe... just maybe... the truth will out.

Great vid, thanks for the contribution!


Mike Grouchy

My instinct is that the main stream media is going to turn on the President,
because the hidden power that funds the pundits are scared
that the public will back the President against the IRS.


Mike Grouchy

There should be no income tax. An income tax requires the government to track people, peer into people's privacy, interfere with people's personal financial planning, intrude into people's lives, and will eventually cause the government to have a "real ID" for every individual, monitoring everyone as they go about their daily business.

So income tax creates an anti-freedom environment, by it's very nature. It's a tax that reduces liberties, and thus opposes the U.S. Constitution's principle of "ensuring Liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

On the other hand, a sales tax doesn't require the tracking of all individuals, nor requires "real ID", doesn't intrude into anyone's personal finances, doesn't require the government to monitor people, and thus is consistent with the Liberty requirement of the constitution.

Therefore, in the interest of upholding the constitution, all income tax should be repealed, and replaced with sales taxes.

No one should be punished for working and earning a wage. And taxes are a form of punishment. It's ok to punish people who consume too many things from the society, draining the resources of the land, so a sales tax is a good thing, since it constrains excessive consumption.

Originally posted by SQUEALER
There should be no income tax. An income tax requires the government to track people, peer into people's privacy, interfere with people's personal financial planning, intrude into people's lives, and will eventually cause the government to have a "real ID" for every individual, monitoring everyone as they go about their daily business.

So income tax creates an anti-freedom environment, by it's very nature. It's a tax that reduces liberties, and thus opposes the U.S. Constitution's principle of "ensuring Liberty to ourselves and our posterity."

On the other hand, a sales tax doesn't require the tracking of all individuals, nor requires "real ID", doesn't intrude into anyone's personal finances, doesn't require the government to monitor people, and thus is consistent with the Liberty requirement of the constitution.

Therefore, in the interest of upholding the constitution, all income tax should be repealed, and replaced with sales taxes.

No one should be punished for working and earning a wage. And taxes are a form of punishment. It's ok to punish people who consume too many things from the society, draining the resources of the land, so a sales tax is a good thing, since it constrains excessive consumption.

Yes, thank you Squealer.

This site used to be full of people making such statements.
It's nice to see there is at least one left.


Mike Grouchy

... Should have tried to do it my way.

Armed DHS Guards Protect IRS From Tea Party Protesters...

/head shake

That approach doesn't sound like it will end well.


Oh,
and has anyone noticed how loud the "crisis-omg-crisis" volume
has been turned up since this thread started?
I'm telling you, the corrupt politicians
are scared that more than one
person is going to start
talking like I am.



Mike Grouchy

Originally posted by mikegrouchy
[ I don't know if this should be in the Rant section or not,
mods please feel free to move]


He'll do it.
It's the last place that corruption can hide in Washington.
What-the-hell-am-I-talking-about.

I'm probably the only conspiracy theorist that thinks the Federal Reserve,
has served this country well. (should lose 50% of the audience with that one.)
If it wasn't for the independent Federal Reserve, we wouldn't even know
that we have 13.75 trillion in debt. Just like used to happen for hundreds
of years the rulers would just tax the hell out of us, squeeze the peasants,
and then blame the whole problem on us for "being lazy" or for "not
producing enough." But with and independent Fed they can't play that
game. Someone has been keeping accurate records. The debt is real.
And we the people didn't create it.

The [color=gold] only place left to hide corruption is within the IRS.

You want to donate one million to a Candidate? You give the money,
then when elected the candidate gets you one million in tax breaks.
Or better yet, two million as a thank you. With thousands of pages of
tax code, no one can sort it all out. And since they can't hide their
corruption on the printing side, they hide it on the collection side.

Hell the IRS could audit someone, say they owe ten million, slap on
another two million in penalties and then ruin someone that way.
But the day after, they pardon them. On paper anyway. And never
send the twelve million on to the Fed to pay down the debt, and they
never tell the person that it was all a mistake. That money just
disappears. The audited person thinks they paid it, but the Fed
doesn't know to expect it.

The IRS is the last place politicians and corrupt officials can hide
their monkey business. And it looks to me like the President will
do it. He'll investigate them, maybe even get us a flat 30% tax,
with anyone who makes under 40k a year being exempt. Eliminating
thousands of pages of rules, and regulations.

But here is the real problem.

We haven't had a president with the authority to investigate any
department of government since Nixon. The pundit machine is
too well oiled. Someone will fund a divisive issue, and drown out
the sitting President with noise, sound, fury, angry people.

I say to those who dislike Obama, who think he is a threat, or
even "up to something." If he is a weapon, then we should use
him. Against the IRS.

/end rant

Mike Grouchy

edit on 21-5-2013 by mikegrouchy because: (no reason given)

edit on 21-5-2013 by mikegrouchy because: (no reason given)

Umm do you not know its all interest and to say your a conspiracy theorist and not know they killed jfk and lincoln to keep it that way means you are not a very good one

Originally posted by jinni73

Umm do you not know its all interest and to say your a conspiracy theorist and not know they killed jfk and lincoln to keep it that way means you are not a very good one

Wow.
That sentence quoted above
is a masterpiece of American education.

Isn't it?

Oh, my.
It was written by a high school graduate wasn't it.

As to the two assassinations,
even in the middle of a knife fight between three men,
If I find myself behind one of my enemies, and they are
armed, I have no problem grabbing their elbow and
thrusting it forward to cause them to stab their own
compatriot.

So... if there is anyone who "is not a very good one"
I'll leave it to the readers to decide between the two of us.


Mike Grouchy

On the off chance that simi-literate post
was made by a role-playing troll, I have
two things to say. Thanks for the bump,
and this link is to an ATS thread that
is pretty close to how I really feel about
the Federal Reserve system.

ATS: I have something to say about currency

I know a lot of people think that theorists
are herd animals and we all migrate in
the same direction on all issues, but I
don't. And I like to do my own research,
and I can even do math in my head.

/please don't hate me for being able
to do math in my head, without a
pencil or a calculator.


Mike Grouchy