Youth Rioting in Stockholm, Sweden, in a mainly immigrant neighborhood - over 100 cars set of fire.

reply to post by Viking9019


I find it shameful that you would speak of other humanbeings in such manners. But I guess to each his own.
I doubt however that your jingoistic ideas would ever offer any longtime solutions to these kinds of problems.

The riots are still going after the week. This is not normal. Its now spreading to nearby cities. They are mainly immigrant youth who can't find the job and are uneducated. But why they come? They think you can find job here these days? I'm not racist, but why move to other country and riot? 15% of Sweden's population are immigrants, its not good! Also because of this, inequality and gap between rich and poor are rising fast.

A car and school were set on fire and a police station attacked in the central town of Orebro, about 100 miles (160km) from the Swedish capital on Friday night and early Saturday morning.

And in the southwest town of Linkoping, groups of youths clashed with police.

Meanwhile, police in Stockholm said as many as 25 cars were torched and a police officer injured in the west of the city as the rioting continued.

In Orebro, an officer suffered an eye injury when rocks were hurled at the patrol car he was in, according to local police.

Some 25 masked youths set fire to three cars and a school and tried to torch a police station.

In Linkoping, some 130 miles (200km) to the southwest of Stockholm, several vehicles were set on fire and youths tried to torch a school and a kindergarten.
Sky News HD

My 2 cents from the other thread which was closed down.

So, the answer is to destroy schools, vandelize houses, burn cars, and reak havok and chaos because they can't find a job? Because the socialist dream turned into a nightmare? Do harm to your neighbors because you feel something is owed to you? I'm sorry that doesn't hold water. How much support from the community do you think these rioters will have when they destroy thier own community. They are criminals. They chose the power of violence rather then the power of the people.

It's obvious that after a week of rioting, the authorities have lost control. My point is, these riots will do nothing but make the poor situation worse. There were other ways to handle this: political action, protests, vote, but what has been accoomplished after a week of riots...destruction and mayham.

I was looking at the other article on the other thread about this story couldn't respond because it was closed, but I do agree with other's Sweden as well as other European country's like here in America with Detroit, we/they are gonna start having major problems with Muslim extremist, I don't really know to much about non extremist Muslim culture, but I do know the extremist Muslims (the one's that believe in Sharia law and such) are gonna cause major trouble for America and Europe, I have a feeling it's gonna go back into history like the days we tried to expel the Muslims out of Spain, Granada, and such we will have to do that again I have a feeling. Sadly though and I hope I am wrong, but I think some European countries are gonna have to fall before Europe starts to move on this thing. Even other Muslim country's that aren't controlled by The Muslim Brotherhood are having problems with them, take Syria for example, so if there own kind are having trouble with them, just imagine what it's gonna be like when it's the Western world next. Sweden also needs to stop catering to these people as well, they don't bring anything to the country that is useful. Also the black youth is gonna be at a disadvantage and a major target for these guys as well.

I avoided the other thread when it was obvious people are.. a little bit slow on the up take.. and knew it'd be closed and referred to here.

But ohhhh gawd.. I'm embarrassed for some of the posters in there..

Oh well, I tried to help, got shot down, and .. here we are. *waves*

Now, I just wonder how much of the problem is to do with a seething hate for the freedom their adopted countries have. Not only is this a religion of obsessed control, but also a culture of obsessed control. And it's moved en masse into a place where freedom to be who you are, to write as you wish, to express yourself openly, is a core value.

And people will say that's nonsense. They will say it's got nothing to do with the people, it's the atmosphere they live in.. the poverty. the outcast nature of their neighbourhoods.

If life were a jigsaw puzzle, the loonies who espouse no borders and free love to men with swords, are putting the sky in the desert and oceans up trees. Because it's neat.

It doesn't work, it doesn't reflect the real world at all, and it's ultimately a great way to ruin an otherwise good jigsaw puzzle.

But you can't tell a spoilt kid they're wrong. They just chuck tantrums.

Why this is so hard for people to see, I do not know. And I'll even be that guy too - I know muslims who I respect and consider the sort of person innocent in all of this.

But I am not deluded into believing that the majority are people like them. I meet these folk in daily life, engaging in activities that we MUST engage in. Not because I frequent mosques and go out of my way to experience everything.

The only time I've ever had an encounter with someone at a mosque, it was violent. Anger directed towards a non-muslim because he dared say something that the guy didn't understand.

As it has been said many times before, a true muslim, not the guy you know who goes to the bar with you but doesnt drink, not the woman who wears short skirts but doesn't eat pork, not the old guy up the road who gives you fancy meals in takeaway packages.. But true muslims, for them, they have to adhere to the holy book as it is written and not interpret it. It is not abrogated that the meanings are set down and defined. You can't take it or leave it.

But the illusion of serenity and peace, oh sure. That's highly acceptable. It is favoured to do this, while you are outnumbered and in foreign lands.

Some hippy white guy will come along and bang on about how ignorant it is to say these things. What is more ignorant? Letting it happen while telling yourself that it is not?

Or trying to get people to see the truth before it's too late?

Really? There's no good excuse for this. So you have your problems? (Some of which may be a reflection of your own attitude.) Who doesn't have their problems?

Yet it's not entirely their fault... Somebody had to make the scenario possible.

It appears that engaging in a multicultural immigration policy without any checks for cultural compatibility works about about as well as being too soft-hearted and inviting a vagrant to live in your home without checking whether he'll do things that'll trash your house in about a week. If you honestly don't know the character of this indiviual and he persists in the same behavior and attitude that he had out on the streets, it's likely not going to go over very well.

Sure the original intentions of open immigration are (mostly) good, but without effective planing this may be how it often works out. It ends up an invitation for trouble in the long run.

Some other countries (mostly those in eastern Asia) seem to have a visitors-only approach to multiculturalism, it may not be seen as politically correct by western standards, but apparently they don't have problems like this.

Yet there should be some middle ground approach, and do things like screening before allowing immigration regardless of circumstances. Even if applying under "favored refugee status", if you can't play by the rules and leave your old problems behind perhaps you shouldn't get in.

Now in my case I live in the U.S. which is a fairly tolerant and multicultural country by most standards. However with all this openness, engaging in bad behavior doesn't fly very well. You might get as far as wrecking your own neighborhood in a riot, but 2nd amendment, some states having Castle Dotrine, and enough cops not afraid to engage in brutality while donning riot gear, those things tend to discourage outright reckless behavior. There are consequences which may seem harsh when taken to the extreme, but they also tend to smooth off any edges. (Maybe that's why it works well here and fails elsewhere, things in both written and unsaid law that other places neglect to pay attention to.) It works out that very very few can actually get the one-up on anybody and get away with crap, so you either learn tolerance or less destructive ways to air any grievances.

Riots and violence. Thats pretty much what you can expect out of Islam's "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" doctrine. You would think that had gone out of style with Hammurabi but...nah. These people are still carrying that torch.

Western justice works much the same, without the rocks....

I am reminded of the small island nation which had only one punishment for any crime....
You were pierced through the middle with a huge iron hook, and hung suspended by it through your body in the parching equatorial sunlight until death ensued.
Needless to say, the island was a crime free zone.

reply to post by Cabin

I live in Sweden and have been folowing this the whole time. It is mostly immigrants who is burning the cars, schools and attacking the police, BUT it is because they are the poorest people in our country right now! In the last 100 year we have seen many riots, the most much bigger than this one, and this is the first with the majority being immigrants. This is not only muslims, no word has been said that this is in the name of Islam, the only ones who are saying this is the white nationalists!
From my point of view, this is happening because of two things; first a very bad, or rather failing immigration policy, not that we take in to many, rather how we manage them when they come here. The second is the gap between rich and poor people, it is getting wider so fast now days. Ofc I dont agree with them burning and violently rioting, but I understand their rage! I would rather see them going down town , attacking politicians, bankers, the ones who created these problems.
Now tho, it have cooled down in Husby(where it started) and now they giving out hotdogs with the slogan"bring a stone get a hotdog" haha

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
Riots and violence. Thats pretty much what you can expect out of Islam's "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" doctrine. You would think that had gone out of style with Hammurabi but...nah. These people are still carrying that torch.

There is many muslims yes, but this is not in the name of Islam! No one is screaming Allah Akbar or saying anything about islam more then the Swedish racists and Nationalists. This have to do with social problems not religion!

Sweden like most of Europe has a problem with integration. They've allowed non-Europeans to settle in their countries for whatever reasons and never tended to their cultural integration. Of course blaming the followers of Admiral Ackbar is convenient, but poverty and isolation are the result of many other factors too.

It's the same in the US where Asians and Latinos have been shunned and in the mean time their population has exploded but now they live in their own neighborhoods and speak their own language and hate the indigenous (white/black) Americans.

Either way, the West (Europe & US) can't really "save" people from around the world from wars/rampant poverty of their own creation. People in poor countries reproduce at a far higher rate than we can allow to immigrate so in the end the only solution is to keep away and let them settle their own differences. Just bring the smartest over if they want to, leave the others because they won't be able to integrate.

I'll tell you what,

I live in Sthlm, I even have friends in both camps- people from the projects and those employed in the force.
I'll give you, out of pure good will (and anger), 10 points about this whole mess that seem to PASS PEOPLE BY totally:

1) the elderly man who got shot had it coming. If I was that officer, I'd shoot him 100 times out of 100. It was nothing wrong with that conduct. There was some miscommunication going on that spurred the riots (typical) but as the right info surfaced only hard-core idiots stuck to their lost cause.

2) as some of the more sane posts in this thread says, these riots where not that bad really. Look at what happened at the EU summit in Gothenburg back in '01. Now, THAT was a riot (mostly conducted by WHITE young men).

3) The riots are more or less over now. Arresting a lot of kids was the cure. They are scared crapless from the experience. Probably won't hurl even a snowball again in their lives. Two cops got hurt but nothing bad as far as I am informed. Property damage was mild to moderate.

4) There has been a lot of cases with hooligan violence in the CITY CENTRE over the past few days, further straining a BRILLIANT police effort. Those people are WHITE young MEN (as always), fighting over SPORTS. Excuse me, but that is so very, very much lower and more pathetic than what was going on in the suburbs.

5) These kids who keep throwing their stones at the police etc. are doing it because they are STUPID and totally NOT because of ethnical origin or religion. There has been NO mention of islam in ANY media. The only ones who play that card are over zealous RACISTS (as always) further spreading the intolerance.

6) The regular residents in the affected suburbs took control of the situation to at least the same extent as the police did. Those people are THE VAST MAJORITY of the inhabitants who cause NO TROUBLE AT ALL.

7) The real problem here is called neoliberal capitalism. Now, some of you seem to have a hard time understanding that phenomenon and rather stick to the old caveman routine with the "ugga-boogga, brown man bad, white man good" and that just speaks for itself. I wish that ATS took more of a stand against this kind of low-level reasoning. Next time I'm at the morgue I'll make sure to pick up a spine and upload it.

8) The other day there was a long interview with one of the kids who was participating in the riots. It was a sad, sad story. From what I could understand between the lines of his weak reasoning, these kids are bored and frustrated. They have nothing to show for. It was kind of painful to listen to that guy. I can only think of one more occasion where such NONSENSE is being uttered at that is when I hear the NATIONALISTS speak their rotten piece. I wonder why the two camps won't make friends more often and comfort each other in their equally FESTERING INGNORANCE.

9) From all the silly, immature ARMCHAIR REVOLUTIONARY rethoric I have to sit through day in and day out here at ATS, authored mainly by sad, lonely, whiney WHITE MEN, I am baffled that they don't show more SUPPORT and SOLIDARITY with the rioting crowds. Isn't that what you're always talkning about yourselves; stick it to the man, fight the system, stop authoritarian violence and all that jazz? Aren't you supposed to CONDONE this kind of behaviour? The logic link here is broken....as if there ever was one. All of a sudden, the governments you so love to hate is worth assimilating into. Humor me and tell me who this adds up, please.

10) Finally- the obviously missing link here has again to do with SOLIDARITY that is totally LOST:
who are the roiting kids? Unemployed. Angry. Low education. Feeling left out by the system. Angry at the government. Arrogant/Ignorant. Feeling stigmatized, overlooked, ignored. Wishing for some "great change" to come. Resorts to meaningless violence. Hates the police. Often involved in criminal activity which further limits chances to future prosperity.
You know what fits also to ALL OF THE ABOVE? Those yokels&hicks in the EXTREME RIGHT!
And you know what more makes them come together? They BOTH think they can relate to and identify with PEOPLE IN GENERAL who in fact DESPISES THEM for all that they are!!! My GOD this is so stupid!

The conclusion there is that PEOPLE riot from time to time. We all act like complete twats given the right circumstance and context. If the poor keep getting poorer in a system where everyone is a loser and where social responsibility is a non-issue OF COURSE this is what you get!
For all you people out in the world who think you know something about this- YOU DON'T!
The "immigrants are to blame"-agenda I've seen only in non-Swedish MSM and in racist posts on the internet. Politics are to blame- and yes that includes multi culturalism (NO you don't know the meaning of the term, look it up and NOT in Metapedia, mind you!!!) but it has mostly to do with economics and welfare.

There I said it, now live with it.

Swedes Take to the Streets to Defend Their Neighborhoods

Stockholm. Faced by another night of terror at the hands of predominantly immigrant rioters, Swedes grown tired of the police’s inability to put an end to the unrest took to the streets Friday night to defend their neighborhoods.

www.friatider.se...

Unfortunately, it seems that other extremist groups are taking advantage of this.

Originally posted by Rocker2013
I don't think this is anything, the YouTube videos I have seen suggest 50 youths involved, a few cars damaged and windows smashed...

In all honesty, this sounds like any Saturday night in Birmingham England.

LOL, I live in Sweden and this made me giggle because it's so on point. People over here gets so frighten easily. But then again, this is a tiny country and everything above the normality scares the # out of people.

reply to post by Raud


Thank you! That was the best written post I have read on the subject since the riots began!
Big gold star for you!

And, would you like to send me the interview with one of the kids.

reply to post by Hachi85


Thank you!

I felt it was about time someone set things in proper perspective for once. The surge in right-wing extremism in Europe, in the Swedish parliment and here in ATS makes me sick to my stomach and deeply worried over the near future in world events. As does the surge in muslim extremism (but it should be noted that I have personally only suffered the consequences of the former, never the latter, as only one of them are in true political power with the tools to corrupt and distort society).

I take it you are fluent/native speaker in the Swedish tongue? The interview is not translated into anything else I'm afraid
Stenkastaren i Husby (The Stone Thrower in Husby)
Hopefully, it is accessible from outside Sweden as well. I also advice you to have your hand neat and clean for an intensive session of face-palming as you listen through the interview....sigh...

Peace!

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yes a native and very fluid in the swedish language
Well, the face-palming level was very high, but it was interesting to finally hear from one of the rioters. He sounded like a very confused and angry kid. Almost sounds like he don't fully believe in what he have done, but at the same time trying really hard to justify it. Feels like it was some kind of mob mentality behind it, like angry kids pushing each other until it spun out of control.The interviewer was good, she really pushed him to answer the question; Why they did this...
I hope the shame and guilt of destroying their neighborhood and messing up for so many of their close neighbors will creep up under these kids skin and stay there for a long time. Maby even make them better human beings For the suburbs, I think this happening have brought the people closer together and I hope to see comunity-lead changes coming about.

reply to post by Hachi85


Yes, one can only hope.

Seems like it is quiet out there now again (or rather not messier than usual at least).
Hopefully the politicians will heed the call this time and not just wade in neglect like they do with the situation in Rosengård, Malmö.

EU politicians are meeting up this week to discuss the dire situation for Europe's unemployed youth. Things might just shape up. Maybe.