Stop Dehumanizing People!

reply to post by clairvoyantrose


At some level I agree with you, but I don't believe that all women are hard-wired to live in the home for the primary purpose of executing "wifely/motherly" duties. Having options is a good thing. Still, I believe that a good many women would prefer to stay home and look after the kids; unfortunately, in too many cases, the ability to do this is severely hampered by economics. Worse even, men, and society at large have not recognized and honored "women's work." Too many husbands used women as slaves and failed to take into consideration their spouse's best interests and brain power which had the latter been tapped would undoubtedly have brought about better family decisions. Moreover, upon divorce, historically it was the woman who took the hit (with some exceptions)

Yet, under the two-parent-working system, I don't really like where society is fast tracking to. Family life today is pretty much a thing of the past (notwithstanding exceptions of course). The result is a failing society in any number of ways too long to go into. Besides everyone here can do their own extrapolations. There are winners, however. Politicians who get away with bloody murder too busy is the electorate just trying to feed, clothe and house themselves and their families. We're heading to places that I really do fear.

Truly the issue is complicated and to turn things around to a win-win situation will take years to bring about if, indeed, that is the wish of the people.

reply to post by UNIT76

balance your polarities. save yourself from the mad world system, etc

Perfect way to view all polarities - political, gender, all of it. I have always thought it is the 'narrow path' Christ talked about. If you are balanced you CANNOT BE MANIPULATED and therefor are saved from the mad world system.

Originally posted by smyleegrl
Greetings, ATS!

Okay, I’ve got a burr under my saddle and its driving me nuts.

I am sick and tired of reading threads about how women are the root of all mankind’s problems.

Ah... Ok... so where exactly are all these threads?

To me you just sound like a feminist with an axe to grind.

It always did annoy me the way women get off on thieving mens money or cheating them out of their money, then thinking they were clever and smart ,when they were nothing but gutless little cowards .When this happens to men they are regarded as dummies who deserved it ! But when, God forbid ! its happens to a woman or several of them ,you will see it on TV, unmasking this EVIL man who has perpetrated these gross injustices to these poor innocent women

Originally posted by smyleegrl
So please. Take a moment and recognize that people are people. Women, men, Muslims, lesbians, whoever…..we’re all just people.

We can exclude the capitalist class from this right?

After all they are reptilian.

I saw the recent thread I'm pretty sure you were talking about, but what are the others? I hope you weren't talking about mine I thought some of the deeper analysis might be valuable but admittedly some of the punch lines are over the top and were put there simply for shock value. Sorry about that. I think the goal, however, is to weed through the emotional crap and try to hear what they are actually getting at...men have complained about women and women have complained about men all the time since the beginning of time. Why can't we agree that we are mutually dysfunctional?

I think George Carlin put it best: "Men are stupid and women are crazy, and the reason women are crazy is because men are stupid."

Originally posted by smyleegrl
Okay, I’ve got a burr under my saddle and its driving me nuts.

Can’t get a date? It’s because those darn women won’t give you the time of day… Society’s going to the dogs? It’s the fault of those darn women. How dare they want equal pay for equal work. How dare they have the audacity to want to live a life where they make their own decisions.

I totally agree! Those darn Women are the cause of every ill facing mankind today! It's all the womens fault! Cannot agree with you more..




I totally agree with ur OP though.

Originally posted by Nicks87

Originally posted by smyleegrl
Greetings, ATS!

Okay, I’ve got a burr under my saddle and its driving me nuts.

I am sick and tired of reading threads about how women are the root of all mankind’s problems.

Ah... Ok... so where exactly are all these threads?

To me you just sound like a feminist with an axe to grind.

I can understand that. As I explained before, I wrote this rant after spending some time in a very mysoginistic thread. But I wasn't thinking solely of women vs men when I wrote it.

Over my years here at ATS, I've seen many threads belittling women, men, certain religions, etc. I'm not talking about threads with honest and mature debate, but threads were the OP and many subsequent remarks are downright hateful. Usually they get 404ed fairly quickly by the mods.

Check your messages, I'll send you a link to one example.

Originally posted by solarjetman
I saw the recent thread I'm pretty sure you were talking about, but what are the others? I hope you weren't talking about mine

I thought some of the deeper analysis might be valuable but admittedly some of the punch lines are over the top and were put there simply for shock value. Sorry about that. I think the goal, however, is to weed through the emotional crap and try to hear what they are actually getting at...men have complained about women and women have complained about men all the time since the beginning of time. Why can't we agree that we are mutually dysfunctional?

I think George Carlin put it best: "Men are stupid and women are crazy, and the reason women are crazy is because men are stupid."

No, hon...I wasn't talking about yours. I read your thread, it was an honest opinion that inspired honest conversation. There was nothing "hateful" about it at all.

The ones I'm referring to normally get 404ed. No worries, okay?

I do what I want.

Some of those "people" are reptilians. This is ATS, I can get away with saying that here.

Let people speak for themselves. If they have an attitude problem, it will show. Stop trying to protect them with "nice" rules. See where nice gets you? Freaking out about posts that aren't yours.

Nice is actually emotional manipulation in disguise. Did you know the NSA has a "Perfect Citizen" program? They want everybody to be nice. But it's a totalitarian dogma. Ooh, maybe you're with the NSA, spouting off propaganda.

Let me remind you I live in the land of the free still and can be a critic of whatever peopleisms I want. I can dehumanize, it's my freedom as a writer to do it. It's called artistic license.

There are mods with big black markers ready to censor the worst posts, so don't fret.

Somewhere someone ought to exclaim to stop humanizing animals. Stop putting them in clothes.

Okay I'm done here.

Originally posted by Xaphan

Originally posted by smyleegrl
That, my friend, just made my day.

It also made my head spin. Kudos to you.

There's nothing like a good paradox to scramble the mind

No offense intended to you or the thread. I just couldn't resist.

Couldn't resist, Good, you should be slapped if you are to hold back such a truth.

A paradox it might be for if there was ever to be an agreement on intolerance would be when most of us are turned to dust.

Exactly like the war on terror, same concept of a slap in your face when you look deep enough into it.

Intolerance of intolerance can only keep the ball rolling so to speak, just like war will always create more war until all have perished.

ALL human beings should be striving to reach their full potential and assert themselves first and foremost - the concept of gender roles needs to go gently into that goodnight.

However, some people out there insist on being co-dependent and like being subservient to their mates. There are sugar daddies/mommas, creepy old pervert men who have a taste for young women, creepy old cougars who have a taste for young men (Here's to you, Mrs. Robinson!) it goes on and on.

It's not specific to gender - it's a personality trait in some of us that is conveniently rationalized through traditions, religion, or whatever (like people really need a reason to justify their behavior, they'll still do what they do and will say whatever it takes to make themselves feel better about it so thanks for your concern now why don't you get out of my face about it?)

I happen to be fortunate enough to be in an egalitarian relationship with my wife and we share our duties and responsibilities equally because we view one another as equals.

There's no "woman's work" - I am perfectly capable of cooking a meal (I usually do it because I think I enjoy it more, but she's accomplished in the kitchen also), or scrubbing a pot, or loading the washer/dryer when need be or running a mop across a floor. My arms and legs aren't broken. When I was a bachelor I did all these things myself and I did not starve to death or start oozing estrogen from my pores.

Likewise, there is no "men's work" either (aside from the occasional assassination of an arachnid intruder - but this is likely phobia based, not gender specific) and my wife is perfectly capable of taking the truck in for an oil change if it needs it, or putting together a piece of furniture we buy at the store, or handling the finances and bills - her arms and legs aren't broken, either, and I don't feel an urge to coddle her. She didn't have the quite the same experience being on her own as I did but she does know what it feels like to have people she cared about just up and leave without notice or consideration.

Our views on child rearing are also the same - we will not try to punk one another with "diaper duty", or providing emotional support when our child needs it, or playing with them, or teaching them things, or disciplining them when need be, or ... you get the idea. It's a shared responsibility and our child, regardless of gender, deserves all of this and more from both parents.

The premise behind it all is elegant in its simplicity and is much less noble than I would like to admit: When # happens, life could care less what gender you are, so if something were to happen to either one of us it would be best if we both were prepared to handle things and it's better to get started learning how to do it now than when you are stricken with grief and have to fumble around doing it all on your own.

Perhaps it is my upbringing that has taught me that you need to look out for yourself since nobody else is going to and if you are unable to be self-reliant you are going to find it difficult to convince someone else that they owe you a living without expecting something huge (and possibly unpleasant and/or unreasonable) in return. It does not matter if you are a boy or a girl, so get cracking developing those skills, you will need as many of them as you can scrounge.

I apologize if this has rambled on a bit and I'm not trying to derail your thread, it's just that I totally understand where you are coming from regarding sexism and gender roles. If there are people out there being subjected to this kind of crap it's because they are allowing themselves to be and I can't really think of a kind way to break them from it, they will either have to learn it on their own or live their whole lives in their bubbles which, to me, is sad but who am I to tell someone else how to live?

The premise behind it all is elegant in its simplicity and is much less noble than I would like to admit: When # happens, life could care less what gender you are, so if something were to happen to either one of us it would be best if we both were prepared to handle things and it's better to get started learning how to do it now than when you are stricken with grief and have to fumble around doing it all on your own.

reply to post by KyrieEleison


Eloquently stated and a very insightful post. You both are very fortunate in each other.

And you didn't derail this thread....you actually stated what I tried to explain, only you did a much better job.

“On the eighth day, God created man and rested,-
On the ninth day, God created woman, and no one’s rested since”.

Of course I’m not serious, but thought it quite comical…

Originally posted by Propulsion
“On the eighth day, God created man and rested,-
On the ninth day, God created woman, and no one’s rested since”.

Of course I’m not serious, but thought it quite comical…

Well, you always make a test run before you go for perfection...right?

reply to post by clairvoyantrose

I feel that women who would be better suited as hunters,should hunt with the men,while men who are better at gathering,should gather with the women.Society functions optimally when everyone is doing what they're best suited for,where their talents lay.
Still,there is the matter of spending time with one's children,teaching and instructing them in the ways of decency,kindness and common sense.
Of course,that would have worked better in ancient times,when there were wise and revered elderly to mind the children,instead of discarded in old age-homes,or dismissed as senile old coots,not worthy of contributing anything to society,the way they are often treated nowadays.Now TV and pc games and shopping malls babysit the kids while everyone goes out to do what they feel they're best suited for

And we can all see how much that has improved society.

reply to post by smyleegrl


Haha okay good to hear! Well I thought I knew which recent thread you were referring to, but if they are usually 404'ed then perhaps not. I don't want to speculate too much on the content since I haven't seen any of it, but I'll say to just take it all with a huge heap of salt... like I said before weed through the emotional crap and try to get to the bottom of the messages...For the men/women thing, it's reaaally hard for me to see things from the other perspective, but I still try to even though I usually groan at "man haters."

So I think many of these threads refer to the "nice guy syndrome"... I think the analogy for women is putting on excessive makeup, getting silicone body parts, fake hair and nails, etc. As a guy I would say I dislike that stuff, but I've heard from at least some women that they go through their own internal struggle with it and conclude: "Well, when I was 'all natural' none of these men would even approach me, soooo..."

I think that's what these threads are getting at... just how men don't respond as often to a woman's natural physical self, women don't respond as often to a man's natural "emotional" self. The confusion comes in because emotions come in all flavors, and "nice" is often confused with "needy insecure and desperate," but there IS something to be said for the hypermasculine culture that permeates society today... studies have shown that male infants are actually more emotionally expressive than girls, but that wanes by age 4-- knowing how kids pick up EVERYTHING, I wonder if it's nature or nurture that causes that?

But I digress... When people truly believe all people of a certain group behave a certain way, that's because that's all they've opened their minds to. Our brains are weird that way-- you could make the drive to your house every day for twenty years, and one day your friend says, "Hey, I really love how the entire road leading to your house is lined with beautiful giant roses," and you could be like oh damn, I never even noticed that... and yet, if on an unrelated note you happened to develop a love for nature, the next time you made that drive it would pop out to you out of nowhere. The nice guys and girls, the good Christians/other religious folk, etc. are like the roses...

reply to post by bronto


Believe you me, it's not always the women who prevail. In Quebec, women are the ones who generally go down for the count. It's pitiful. I know of one woman personally who was abused, threatened, and made penniless notwithstanding that her husband's salary is in the low six figures. Moreover, he can afford an excellent lawyer; she can't.

Originally posted by Kang69
You know I have almost no experience with women, but I met one that turned my world upside down.

I think I experienced "limerence". I know not a lot of people don't experience this so it's kind of hard to explain, hell, I'm having a hard time understanding it.

We spent two weeks together in a foreign country and in the first time in my life I felt pure unbounded joy. I think I was happy for the first time in my life. Real happiness too. But maybe this is the guise of limerence, but I don't care, I would rather live two weeks with her then live the life I'm living now..

But I'm not one of these man childs that blames other people for his own problems. I find it hilarious that men have to blame the women. All problems come from within. Look inside yourself, you may not like what you see, but trust me, you'll have an easier time later down the line if you try to understand yourself better.

I know must of this is mumbo jumbo, but the fact remains you have quite a bit of people in this world that don't want to take responsibility for themselves.


Also, has anyone else experienced "limerence"? This is not a crush, this is a curse. I dream about her almost every night, and when I do I wake up in a cold sweat with a crushing weight on my chest and stomach. I feel like I'm being haunted and tortured.

The women I met on this trip made all other women look like insignificant ants. She was a beacon of light (this could be the limerence playing tricks on me) but she was one of these rare women that stood for good no matter what. We spent two weeks together and I felt like I knew her in a past life time. We would finish each others sentences, we were like an old married couple at a young age. Old souls.

And now I #ed it up like I do with a lot of things, and she will be in my dreams I think for my whole life. I'm not sure if she was my "soul-mate" but our chemistry together was something I could never even dream of having with a women.

Every day is just a constant numbness, god I hope this # ends, I hope I stop dreaming of her. I would rather be water boarded then go through this./end rant

it sounds to me, as though you had a past life soul connection

I nearly lost my job nearly 3 year ago because of a woman I met at dance group who turned my life upside down and me inside out

this guy, though fallible, has some interesting articles, wrote a book on it, and has some very interesting articles in his overview, the first 8 all about soul connections

stevegunn.net...

reply to post by Dharma Employee


Thanks for the link Dharma. He's got some really interesting articles like "ego death" which I'm currently reading. I think you and I have might have gone through "limerence". Ever heard of it?

Read about it here:

bthaw.blogspot.com...

I'm honestly split on soul mates and limerence. I can't tell if soul mates actually exist or all of this is just mother natures way of telling us our genes are compatible and so forth.



WOW! Thank you again for this link. I've never read anything that strikes home as close as this. This is seriously some of the best reading I've found in years.

I can't thank you enough! I love this site just for this very reason of spreading knowledge.

I'm currently reading this article: stevegunn.net...

titled "the dance". Basically going to be reading every article on this site today.