Here is what I have to say about my experience

Originally posted by D3AD537
I just have a few questions as to why a lot of people DO NOT believe anyone can not control the weather or DO NOT believe the whole "Chemtrail, H.A.A.R.P Conspiracy" issue.

Because we're sensible, free-thinking individuals who assess claims on the basis of objective evidence. We're not uncritical, narrow-minded sheeple who believe whatever they read on the internet.

There is no evidence whatsoever for the the 'chemtrail' conspiracy theory. In fact, all the evidence is against it.

Originally posted by winofiend
Well there's a third type of second person... one who knows something is wrong, and knows it's not an unscientific and proven hoax, which keeps getting perpetuated by the same type of people who don't comprehend the physics they're trying to explain to everyone else.

But no one wants to hear that guy, he's not waving a sign or pointing a finger.

^^ Also this.

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There are ways to test this. So my questions is : If there numerous ways for anyone to get the samples, why hasn't it been done. And if it has, where is it??

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It hasn't been done because it would prove that there was nothing out of the ordinary in the trails. Those at the head of this hoax know all about how to test the trails and also know it would be the end of the hoax so they keep quiet about it and spend tens of thousands making movies which prove nothing instead of the few thousand it would take to get sound evidence. That should tell you all you need to know about the chemtrail theory.

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Here s a contrail analysis, there have many studies, but none of those found chemtrails and those claiming to be looking for the truth about chemtrails haven't bothered looking for themselves, which is distinctly odd.


contrailscience.com...

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doesn't that seem odd to you at all.... "I have all the proof in the world that chem trails are just a hoax but im not going give out that it info cause it'll keep the hoax going?? I dont want it to end. I just want people to remain in the quiet about this"?????

How would you know what you say is true? based on what? What our government tells you to believe? (i'm only asking questions)

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There are ways to test this. So my questions is : If there numerous ways for anyone to get the samples, why hasn't it been done. And if it has, where is it??

Here is a company that has a plane that can do just that...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

If I can find this company so can any chemtrail pusher....

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They don't want the hoax to end, because they're making good money on it in various ways. One of the hoaxers raised fifty thousand dollars, and instead of leasing a plane to take samples he turned around and made a movie to spread more lies about chemtrails.

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1.How would you know at all its a "hoax" if they have not released anything at all on it being a "hoax"?

2. You just some how "know" right?

3. If it is a "hoax" as your claiming, wheres the evidence that says "they're perpetuating it to make money?"

Hmm if i were to "guess" that doesnt seem very logical. I mean if nothing has been released at all. How did you find out?

Skeptical thinking is good, to a point, it really is, until it begins to block your actual thinking process.

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1.How would you know at all its a "hoax" if they have not released anything at all on it being a "hoax"?

Well because they aren't able to provide scientific evidence that proves they exist, and in over more than a decade they can't show proof of the existence of such a program ever happening.

That is why it is a hoax.

2. You just some how "know" right?

Well yes, unless you can provide evidence to prove otherwise.

3. If it is a "hoax" as your claiming, wheres the evidence that says "they're perpetuating it to make money?"

Just look at any chemtrail site and you will answer your own question.

Skeptical thinking is good, to a point, it really is, until it begins to block your actual thinking process.

I think you have that backwards.

You see the chemtrail believer will dismiss any and all scientific evidence just because a youtube video tells them chemtrails exist.

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How would you know what you say is true? based on what?

Scientific research, are you able to do that with chemtrails?

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I've studied aviation my entire life, and know how engines work, as well as reading scientific studies that have actually taken samples of contrails that show what they are made of. I have never seen a single chemtrail site that has even tried to do the same.

Every single chemtrail plane that has been pointed out has been pure BS as to what it actually was, or what was actually happening. Chemtrail sites see tanks inside a plane, and instead of trying to figure out what they are, they just scream chemtrails and try to scare people.

If you know a subject incredibly well, and all the information that you find on something related to that subject is crap, do you really need someone to tell you that it's a hoax? Especially if you find evidence that information was deliberately altered?

Originally posted by D3AD537
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1.How would you know at all its a "hoax" if they have not released anything at all on it being a "hoax"?

2. You just some how "know" right?

3. If it is a "hoax" as your claiming, wheres the evidence that says "they're perpetuating it to make money?"

Hmm if i were to "guess" that doesnt seem very logical. I mean if nothing has been released at all. How did you find out?

Skeptical thinking is good, to a point, it really is, until it begins to block your actual thinking process.

1: Who is "they"? All the research and sampling of contrails done by scientific organisations is published, claims of chemtrails did not spring from any one of these, it sprang from someone who pointed towards a contrail and either didn't know, or lied about, what it was. The scientific community would no more feel the need to deny the existance of chemtrails than they would the existence of fairies at the bottom of the garden.

People that truly believe chemtrails are a real and present threat *could* hire a sampling plane, but would rather not.

2: the combination of a lack of evidence and an unwillingness to do anything but write websites with "donate" buttons and make you tube videos is a big clue. Seeing claims that are also obvious lies, as detailed in an earlier post, is snother clue, this is how opinions are formed.

3: The aforementioned "donate" buttons, DVD sales, quack cures and orgone generators etc offered for sale are all examples of this.


Though I am sure some hoaxers just do it for the hell of it.

Originally posted by D3AD537
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How would you know what you say is true? based on what? What our government tells you to believe? (i'm only asking questions)

Do you understand what peer review is?

BTW Whose government?

Originally posted by D3AD537
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1.How would you know at all its a "hoax" if they have not released anything at all on it being a "hoax"?

Because het people who push it have been given eth information that shows that their claims are not true, and yet continue to make those same claims.

It's not a hoax when someone is mistaken - it is a hoax when they know they are wrong but persist with the errors.

2. You just some how "know" right?

Nope - we got evidence for this too

3. If it is a "hoax" as your claiming, wheres the evidence that says "they're perpetuating it to make money?"

some are making money - look at the product endorsements on various sites, the price tag to buy WITWATS, (even though yes you can get it for free - none-the-less lots of sites advocate buying a copy for your local library!), someone looking to get $200k on kickstarter for the next movie, people pushing "zeolite" as an "anti-chemtrail" cure - even though it contains aluminium just like they claim chemtrails do!!

Skeptical thinking is good, to a point, it really is, until it begins to block your actual thinking process.

Indeed - but it is also good to start the actual thinking process in the first place.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
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as well as reading scientific studies that have actually taken samples of contrails that show what they are made of.

Im not calling you a liar or anything along those line but where are they? The samples. How would you be able to find those out if they hadn't been released.

Originally posted by D3AD537
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There are ways to test this. So my questions is : If there numerous ways for anyone to get the samples, why hasn't it been done. And if it has, where is it??

This what i said in my earlier post ^

Originally posted by mrthumpy
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It hasn't been done because it would prove that there was nothing out of the ordinary in the trails.

This was one of the answers i received ^

....sooo my question is...you're saying you've read atricles and such stating they have samples...BUT...this person is saying they haven't released any info yet 'cause it would prove theyre normal, thus perpetuating the hoax even more??....so who's right out of you two ? you're conflicting stories now. And you're both on the side that chemtrails don't exist...

Contrails & Man-Made Clouds Change Climate, Harming Agriculture

Atmospheric Geoengineering: Weather Manipulation, Contrails and Chemtrails

Has many resources. If you don't read them at all. Please don't post anything back. (i've read all the i can about contrails, chemtrails..whatever trail u wanna talk about in the sky) It's obvious no one here is really reading anything i've linked up for you to read.(anybody that is on the side of contrails)

people on the side of "chemtrails" are NOT conflicting stories of what they say they've seen or researched. Its all the same. The only story that is told conflicts contrails, thats it. The people stories are the same and so is the research.

Now i've noticed a lot especially in this thread. People on the side of "contrails" are not only conflicting stories with chemtrails BUT with one another as well. Now why is that?

Everybody on the chemtrail side..the story never changes...but on the other side...Contrails...The story is always conflicting what they talk about and they don't realize it And if they do realize it..They won't say anything out of fear of being ridiculed..hmm



Why

If "persistent contrails" have existed since commercial aviation began, why did significant academic interest begin in the late 1990s, in which, the US Air Force announced it would "own the weather" via "injection of chemical vapors" into the atmosphere?

Why are non-commercial, unmarked planes making long, thick, persistent, expanding trails, but the marked, commercial planes are not?

Why are the unmarked planes flying in circles continuously all-day long, but the marked ones go where they're suppose to go?

hmm...

Check this out. This is a good read as well

Weather Modification

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I can see how that can look contradictory, but it isn't really. Mr Thumpy is referring to chemtrail pushers when he says they don't want to expose the whole thing a fake. Gaul and myself were talking about the bodies that actually have gone to the trouble of analysing contrails, because they don't say anything that would support the theory believers tend to dismiss them as liars, without ever refuting what they actually say. Chemtrail pushers can do the same sort of analysis themselves, but haven't and won't because they already know you cannot test for what is not there. If they were to prove and publish that fact the gravy train ends.

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You may have missed where Rosalind Peterson, much more recently than 2009, admitted there was no evidence whatsoever that chemtrsils s exist. It was reported on this site, search for her name.

I am struggling to comprehend where you are coming from with this next part. There is no contradiction whatsoever in the scientific explanation of contrails. Indeed, if you have read much of this site you will have seen that it is a meme of believers that "debunkers always say the same thing". apart from the instance I just explained in my previous post can you give any other examples of this contradiction you say always happens?

On the other hand you seem to be saying that claims that chemtrail are for poisoning/mind control/hiding nibiru/weather control etc etc are consistent?

I have seen more different explanations for how chemtrails are used, why the are used and what they are made of than any other single conspiracy theory so I completely disagree with you.

The reason there is so much variation is because there are no solid facts to anchor it to.