Racism and the American Right

Originally posted by Robonakka
reply to post by Fromabove

 

You seem to have fallen into that same trap I was alluding to earlier. You seem to think that we are all created equal. It is obvious we are not. It is true that not all blacks are uncivilized. Some are good, decent people. But even the good ones are mentally slow and quick to be offended over trivial matters. You must open your eyes to what happens when you treat them as equals. Look at Detroit. Look at any inner city. Look at Africa. Put away your excuses and see what they do when given power and a chance. If that is not something you're willing to embrace then do away with your silly notions of equality.

It is like fruit in a sewer. Sure, the fruit is still edible, but do you want to save it or just go ahead and flush the sewage away? You see the apples and oranges and think it is a fruit salad. I see it is just sewage to be flushed away. The fruit is the good people. The fecal matter is the gang banging thugs. You mix them and what do you have? Fruit salad or more sewage?

We have tried for over 150 years to assimilate them and have gotten 40,000 rapes a year, 80,000 murders, and uncounted robberies and assaults. And you still think there is something to save? And you think conservatives are so stupid as to not see what is going on? It is not racist to understand that not all are equal, playing fair is not always a good thing, and that some people will never act contrary to their nature and expecting them to is stupid. It is realist. Conservatives are realists who see the truth and do not lie about it in order to save people's feelings. At least most of them are. Probably not you.

You really believe this stuff you say ? Really....? Are you part of the KKK or Nazi groups? I ask this because you should know that any oppressed people is going to find it hard to assimilate in the land with people who once owed their relatives as slaves. This and the hopelessness that often comes with it that says stay down, stay back, let the government take care of you.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by olaru12

 

But for future reference....hateful attitudes ala Rush won't win elections. Most Americans are centrist and shy away from the ultra right as well as the wacko left. Who is the most extreme? Listen to the radio....

The bulk of Republican and Dem voters only wake up 3 weeks prior to casting a vote. These people read a few headlines and feel they are informed (hence the power of the MSM).

I think you sell the American electorate short. They are much more engaged in politics and I submit as evidence their rejection of Palin/McCain and Mitt/Ryan. No one really votes "For" anyone they just reject BS.

For the GOP/conservatives to gain any traction they are going to have to come up with a viable platform other than we're not Obama. In other words, real ideas, real solutions presented in a sensible dialog with the voters; minus the "progtard" style rhetoric.

Originally posted by olaru12

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by olaru12

 

But for future reference....hateful attitudes ala Rush won't win elections. Most Americans are centrist and shy away from the ultra right as well as the wacko left. Who is the most extreme? Listen to the radio....

The bulk of Republican and Dem voters only wake up 3 weeks prior to casting a vote. These people read a few headlines and feel they are informed (hence the power of the MSM).

I think you sell the American electorate short. They are much more engaged in politics and I submit as evidence their rejection of Palin/McCain and Mitt/Ryan. No one really votes "For" anyone they just reject BS.

If so, there would not be any democrats in office today, but you can see that BS is still the game in town.

reply to post by Fromabove


And the excuse for the Norwegian Countries would be...?

Slayer, good job at stirring the pot

S&F

@olaru12, you last post is the most intelligent thing I've heard anybody say in a long time. You are soo right. F from me.

reply to post by olaru12

I think you sell the American electorate short. They are much more engaged in politics and I submit as evidence their rejection of Palin/McCain and Mitt/Ryan. No one really votes "For" anyone they just reject BS.

Really?



Yes, we’re surrounded by geniuses. I think they need to recalibrate their BS meters!

For the GOP/conservatives to gain any traction they are going to have to come up with a viable platform other than we're not Obama. In other words, real ideas, real solutions presented in a sensible dialog with the voters; minus the "progtard" style rhetoric.

So you’re saying the Obama’s strategy won’t work?? How did he pull it off twice then? Obama spent 5 years blaming Bush.

Will it not work because the race card will be played to deflect??

Nah.......that could never happen, right?

Originally posted by K9millionaire
LOL
Interesting how Robert Parry skipped over that whole period of american history when the "American Right" ended slavery.
Anyway, Racism has been present in America, as well as the rest of the world, throughout our entire history and both "left and right" are equally guilty in different regards.

What part of history was that?

I think you are confusing the party labels with political ideology. The "Republicans" that ended slaver were at the time Leftist...it was actually this act that changed everything and the Right took over the "Republican" party and the Left became "Democrats".

You should research Southern Democrats and Southern Strategy.

This is a common problem with modern Republicans, they like to take credit for things done in the past when Republicans were not a dominate Conservative Right party.

reply to post by flobot


Instead of talking about the past, why don’t you tell me what a great job the modern democrat party has done for minorities?

While you’re at it, please tell me who it is that plays the race card every week? Conservatives??



Maybe it's those anti Big Government Tea Party types?? They're racists, right?

Reminds me of this WWYD episode

www.youtube.com...

Race is the weak point of the People, and it is being cynically exploited at every turn in order to divide us so that we cannot organize and stop this country from becoming a facist nation. It's my experience that the majority of people are not racist but you can see these type of arguments be plied over and over. There is not a race that hasn't been subjugated and exploited over time. There isn't a person who hasn't suffered some form of injustice or loss. There are very few people in the US who are 100% any race, so why do we repeatedly fall for this propaganda?

In a time of economic and psychological downturn, racial manipulation is extremely dangerous and especially effective. From Nazi Propaganda

"Propaganda tries to force a doctrine on the whole people... Propaganda works on the general public from the standpoint of an idea and makes them ripe for the victory of this idea." Adolf Hitler wrote these words in his book Mein Kampf (1926), in which he first advocated the use of propaganda to spread the ideals of National Socialism -- among them racism, antisemitism, and anti-Bolshevism. Following the Nazi seizure of power in 1933, Hitler established a Reich Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda headed by Joseph Goebbels. The Ministry's aim was to ensure that the Nazi message was successfully communicated through art, music, theater, films, books, radio, educational materials, and the press. There were several audiences for Nazi propaganda. Germans were reminded of the struggle against foreign enemies and Jewish subversion. During periods preceding legislation or executive measures against Jews, propaganda campaigns created an atmosphere tolerant of violence against Jews, particularly in 1935 (before the Nuremberg Race Laws of September) and in 1938 (prior to the barrage of antisemitic economic legislation following Kristallnacht). Propaganda also encouraged passivity and acceptance of the impending measures against Jews, as these appeared to depict the Nazi government as stepping in and “restoring order.”

The economic-stressed and defeated Germans were a perfect subject for Chief Propaganda Officer Gobbel's ministrations who gave them a new, shiny group identity with noble Viking Wagnerian background music:

Another theory used to explain the Holocaust is the psychology of the masses. McDougall (1920) stated that in a psychological group in which people have certain homogeneity and a common feeling about a common object, the y tend to lose the sense of individuality. They become anonymous parts of a bigger cause, which they put above their own self - interest. There is an almost complete identification with the ingroup (Watson, 1974). Perceived differences of the outgroup are ma gnified and since the outgroup is avoided, stereotypes cannot be proven wrong (Watson, 1974). Socialization further reinforces out - group hostility as it is often rewarded within the in - group (Watson, 1974). In this group emotions spread quickly, as if cont agious. The ingroup membership brings with it a feeling of superiority and security. A common goal focuses all of this energy, hence the irrationality and often aggression of such groups (McDougall, 1920). Within this framework, the Holocaust is explained in terms of the Nazis acting as one massive psychological group and the irrationality that comes with this complete identification with the ingroup.

The Presentation of “Self ” and “Other” in Nazi Propaganda

So now we are a disenfranchised society in an economic and cultural depression. Are we going to be able to see through these racial manipulations when we don't feel good about ourselves and think the other guy is getting a better deal? I am worried.

reply to post by flobot

This is a common problem with modern Republicans, they like to take credit for things done in the past when Republicans were not a dominate Conservative Right party.

I’m wondering when the left is going to take credit for the great things they’ve been doing for blacks in America over the past 50 years.

The rise of the welfare state in the 1960s contributed greatly to the demise of the black family as a stable institution. The out-of-wedlock birth rate among African Americans today is 73%, three times higher than it was prior to the War on Poverty.

Also as of 2010, the black poverty rate was 27.4% (about 3 times higher than the white rate), meaning that 11.5 million blacks in the U.S. were living in poverty.

source

After all of this "help" from the left it's no wonder 90+% of blacks vote Democrat.

Originally posted by darkbake
Nice thread, Slayer. I actually think that article puts the left and right wing in a realistic perspective!

Interesting. I would like to know how it was put into a 'realistic' perspective; given, as I pointed out, the author needed to establish a false dichotomy of the "right" to fulfill and uplift his words on the "left". To that, I cannot see how one can see this, unless of course they want it to fit their narrative, as solid backing of the two.

The author makes some claims that the left are staunch and unwavering (and I suppose rightly so given the lean and bias of the article) while claiming the right are confused and stuck in their ways. He even so cleverly threw in buzzwords, while quoting them to diminish their meaning; "free-market", "tradition" and "tyranny". That sole attempt in the articles first few paragraphs set the tone for the article.

This "supposed" free-market and this tradition "thing" along with keeping a close eye on the very "natural" trait of man to eventually become corrupted with power is how the writer defined the right, for purposes of achieving their goal in the article. It is lazy as I first said and just as lazy as anyone who spouts off the opposite without actually creating the argument but rather redefining it to make your point. From where I grew up, that is borderline propaganda.

With all that, many here are pointing out just exactly what the article does: perpetuates the left/right chasm in which the left defines the right and the right defines the left; each time to fit their desires and intended narratives.

To that, as I reread his piece, I had to put his initial assertions aside to see what exactly was the author getting at. Looking for the pieces he conveniently missed (because it would not suit the argument he is making), etc, etc. Unfortunately, not many will critically think about what the author wrote, nor analyze his overtly bias to try and grasp what exactly they are trying to say.

reply to post by Fromabove
Very well said. I don't know that I am conservative or liberal, probably a little of both. But I do know that racism exist on both sides of this issue, and your response to the racist rant from Robbonakka is one of the most well written statements that I have seen on ATS in a long while.

Originally posted by AllanBlank
reply to post by Fromabove

 

Very well said. I don't know that I am conservative or liberal, probably a little of both. But I do know that racism exist on both sides of this issue, and your response to the racist rant from Robbonakka is one of the most well written statements that I have seen on ATS in a long while.

Thankyou, and I really do appreciate you saying that. People do not have to be hateful of another's race to have a different political position.

reply to post by seabag

Instead of talking about the past, why don’t you tell me what a great job the modern democrat party has done for minorities?

Just setting the record straight for someone else talking about the past.

But this thread really isn't about the Democrats, is it? Why would I have to tell you what the Democrats have done for minorities to prove that the Right doesn't have a racist theme running through it? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

However, I can tell you some things the Republicans have done that have an aura of racism in the recent past. Arizona immigration law? Voter ID laws pushed in urban areas where there is a large black voter population? Against affirmative action and ignoring the history requiring legislation like this? Welfare Queens? Anchor Babies? Republicans more likely to support or endorse the "Confederacy"? Almost all white "Tea Party" rising up against the first black President on a pretense of "high taxes" when Obama was actually lowering taxes?

I could go on and on...it is actually very plain to see the racism of the modern day Republicans and the Right in general (including Libertarians).

Or do you think it is just a coincidence that the old Confederate/Slavery States are still most Right Wing and vote Republican?

Racism is everywhere in American politics and they really started the drive in the early 1900's, about 100 years ago. It took awhile but TPTB gained the trust over time of minorities by demonizing Republicans and 'every other party' and making the Democrats, who since the Constitution was created have been fighting to abolish it, the party of choice for minorities or those who want change. I love to tell people MLK was a Republican. They never believe me.

The True Democratic party, which are actually Socialists, have passed law after law to strip away your rights throughout the last century. It has then with money and poor loans, in the last 20 years, captured the minorities. They keep them where they want to, uneducated, barely above poverty level and provide abortions so they do not spread to large. That is and has always been the fear back to the slave days. That the people oppressed would one day rise against those who tax the hell out of them. This is why we left England.

Left and Right have been perverted however by TPTB with money and control of the medial and there is only 'warmongers' or ' liberal money givers'. That is it. This last election, they put in the final piece. Someone that minorities could trust. A black man. It was the perfect agenda to use. No one will question it as we can pull the race card. Not the evil old white guy and the hot soccer mom, they are out of touch. Not the guy who has offshore accts and is a religion that allows multiple wives. No way. They are eeeeeevil. Look what happened. I do not even blame Barry anymore because who would not take the ride...you know you would no matter the outcome.

So everyone took it...hook line and sinker. Then, when TPTB pull in the ripens and everyone is dependent on the government, there will be no argument. You had a black president with a Muslim name for eight years and if you did not better yourself than, well, who cares. We are going to keep your income tax refund to pay for PPACA(Obamacare) and start more food for guns programs, etc. Keep funding those abortions and keeping you where you should be. Scary scary stuff folks.

Don't make it Right or Left, make it about the country these pricks have taken from us...and our children.

Originally posted by muse7

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by SLAYER69

 

A weak attempt to rewrite history.

I find it about as effective as a Jedi mind-wave with the mutterings of "These are not the racists you've been looking for."

Just look at how progressives define themselves versus conservative folks.

Conservatives focus on the individual. Personal responsibility, individualism. . etc.


Progressives can't get past skin colour. To them it's all about groups, and classifications, and categories.

Progtards can write all the lofty essays they want, they can try to rewrite history all day long, but in the end, their actions will define them as the true racists.

"progtards"

Looks like conservatives can't even get past name calling!

Conservatives cant get past name calling EXCUSE ME Liberals call people Raicist Bigot if you dont vote or support Obama?

Originally posted by K9millionaire
LOL
Interesting how Robert Parry skipped over that whole period of american history when the "American Right" ended slavery.
Anyway, Racism has been present in America, as well as the rest of the world, throughout our entire history and both "left and right" are equally guilty in different regards.

The republicans back then were liberals or left, and democrats were conservative or right....


The fact is most Republicans are not racist.....but all racists currently are Republicans.

Originally posted by Ghost375

Originally posted by K9millionaire
LOL
Interesting how Robert Parry skipped over that whole period of american history when the "American Right" ended slavery.
Anyway, Racism has been present in America, as well as the rest of the world, throughout our entire history and both "left and right" are equally guilty in different regards.

The republicans back then were liberals or left, and democrats were conservative or right....


The fact is most Republicans are not racist.....but all racists currently are Republicans.

Only white people can be racist.
And only if they're Republican.