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OK, that is a paraphrase of a verse in Ephesians, which is a forgery purported to be by Paul, but not actually written by him, but it echoes what Paul had taught, but in a condensed version.
My understanding is that Salvation is by Grace through Faith, and even that Faith is a gift of God.
What I have concluded recently by studying all the verses where that word is used, is that it always mean in a group way of understanding it. This is why so many people are confused by it. It is never used to refer to an individual persons status, but by a believing community.
Sanctification may involve Works, and probably does
Which is not a monolithic, creed spouting, orthodoxy enforcing institution. There are people all over the map in that denomination in regard to how to interpret that verse. 60 years ago, maybe what you are saying would be more true. What they were promoting back then was this idea of Ellen White's that in the time of tribulation, we need to be at a point where we are not committing sins.
. . . I seem to recall that you are an Adventist . . .
Even though we are saved by grace it does not mean that we can still live in sin. We need to live by the Spirit and not the flesh.
Originally posted by deadeyedick
reply to post by kijne
Even though we are saved by grace it does not mean that we can still live in sin. We need to live by the Spirit and not the flesh.
The flesh can not live without sin in this fallen state for very long. Just try and you may find your self wondering through the desart seeking death. This is why we constantly seek repentance. Most were born into spiritual debt and seek their punishment through suffering and making love without knowing they are being led by their spirit. The system has a flaw because their was no way to control spirits incarnating completely full of sin only to be paid in one lifetime by a mass killing.
Sexual punishment and slavery are the foundation of our spiritual growth in the flesh and the bible tells the story. Their has always been an increase in what the flesh views as a lack of morality before GOD steps in and releases all the tormented souls only to be born again into a less debtful role. We are at the point of harvest now and this time we will have a chance to avoid the sting of death and be set out of the way while those with debt are given a choice to lay down their life for GOD by rejecting the mark. At that point things are gonna be bad because the only ones left are completely full of sin so much that they will be sent to a lake of fire for long suffering so that mankind does not have to deal with what we have now days.
Now is the time to work out your punishment with the holy spirit and your sub conscious mind and seek what you desire out as long as it does not harm others. For everyone else it is time to give love.
God defined the punishments here on earth. After the fall mankind went into debt and some sins against GOD are so severe as to require punishment in a lake of fire but he gave many a choice to live out their punishments in the flesh out of love for us. God steps in when the harvest is ripe. When the most souls are out of debt. Those souls will be the fore fathers and mothers of the new kingdom. Your debt is paid to the evil one that rules the air through suffering. Many souls here today choose to pay their debts in childhood and many later on and many have so much debt that resorting to mass killings is there only way to pay. It is our job to keep that from happening. As far as the keys to hell i have been told that my father holds them but who would ever believe something like that.
Originally posted by vethumanbeing
Originally posted by deadeyedick
reply to post by kijne
Even though we are saved by grace it does not mean that we can still live in sin. We need to live by the Spirit and not the flesh.
The flesh can not live without sin in this fallen state for very long. Just try and you may find your self wondering through the desart seeking death. This is why we constantly seek repentance. Most were born into spiritual debt and seek their punishment through suffering and making love without knowing they are being led by their spirit. The system has a flaw because their was no way to control spirits incarnating completely full of sin only to be paid in one lifetime by a mass killing.
Sexual punishment and slavery are the foundation of our spiritual growth in the flesh and the bible tells the story. Their has always been an increase in what the flesh views as a lack of morality before GOD steps in and releases all the tormented souls only to be born again into a less debtful role. We are at the point of harvest now and this time we will have a chance to avoid the sting of death and be set out of the way while those with debt are given a choice to lay down their life for GOD by rejecting the mark. At that point things are gonna be bad because the only ones left are completely full of sin so much that they will be sent to a lake of fire for long suffering so that mankind does not have to deal with what we have now days.
Now is the time to work out your punishment with the holy spirit and your sub conscious mind and seek what you desire out as long as it does not harm others. For everyone else it is time to give love.
You are kidding right? Who defined the sexual punishment and slavery and why is it the foundation of spiritual growth IN THE FLESH. Why were we born of clay to subdeterrmine ourselves as a lack of morality? We are gross matter in the 3rd D. Lack of morality before God HE CREATES us as 3D, what is this; the grand joke? God steps in WHEN? I thought that happened at the creation moment (we become GODform Matter). We are being harvested? and can avoid the sting of death if we set out a way giving up debt. TO WHOM? WHO IS THE ENCOMBRANCE OF SIN? The only ones left are completely full and sent to a lake of fire. Punishment? BELONGS TO YOUR INSANE RAMBLINGS. Seriously, (you must live on the shore of the lake of fire as YOU CAN VISION IT so perfectly in such BEAUTY). You obviously are the first jailer holding the circle of keys to all FATE and DESTINY hell bent. You fail to answer my posts; and this I have cause to see is very RUDE.edit on 20-5-2013 by vethumanbeing because: (no reason given)
Romans 13 New International Version (NIV)
13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
11 And do this, understanding the present time: The hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. 12 The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. 13 Let us behave decently, as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy. 14 Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the flesh.
Mark 3:28-29
28 Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter,
29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin.”
Psalms 85:2
"Thou hast forgiven the iniquity of thy people, thou hast covered all their sin. Selah."
Jesus Christ promised forgiveness of sins to all. However only the one who pursues love will be lead by the Spirit of Love, who is Christ Jesus. There is no dept but the dept we owe to Christ, to love one another.
War, famine, hunger, plague
Originally posted by deadeyedick
reply to post by sacgamer25
War, famine, hunger, plague
My point is that in my perspective of things a child born suffering and dying in those conditions can only be explained through past life sins against GOD. Honestly there is just too much seemingly unjust suffering taking place that has no other explanation other than spiritual debt and some forms of hell on earth.