Armed police walking the streets in England

Originally posted by TheRealTruth84
This is why we fight tooth and nail in the U.S. not to lose our 2nd amendment rights. All of a sudden the police in England are walking around with a little more firepower than you're used to seeing and you act surprised that you feel insignificant, with no ability to defend yourself or make a difference if things really do go to hell.

Well, that's going to improve society isn't it....shootouts between the police and the public. LOL

You misunderstand the concern of the British public.

We aren't scared of the police because some carry weapons; rather we regret the parlous state of things in our country which makes arming the police a necessity.

reply to post by TheRealTruth84

This is why we fight tooth and nail in the U.S. not to lose our 2nd amendment rights. All of a sudden the police in England are walking around with a little more firepower than you're used to seeing and you act surprised that you feel insignificant, with no ability to defend yourself or make a difference if things really do go to hell.

Comparing the UK to the USA regarding gun control etc is apple and pears - two completely different things, something so many fail to grasp or understand.

It is because it is so unusual to see armed police in most parts of the UK that makes this story news worthy - there simply isn't the need for them here, even the vast majority of criminals don't use firearms and on the relatively rare occassions they do it's usually on each other.

I'm not criticising the US Second Amendment, do what you want to do, nothing to do with us, but please don't mistake the UK for the US.

reply to post by cody599

I don't agree that the police should be armed in general and would fight tooth and nail to prevent England becoming a police state.

I'm sorry to break it to you dude, but the UK has always been a police state since the creation of police.

Also, what is up with these muslims? I don't agree with war, and no doubt a lot of these soldiers do not agree to the wars they have had to participate in, but the way these muslims are carrying on it's as if they are saying we will take what we can from the UK, whilst pretending to be part of the UK, but in reality we are more supportive of our fellow muslims in other countries over white people from the UK.

They live in a society, within a society, i.e. in the UK society but living in a muslim society whilst residing in the UK. They isolate themselves and keep to their own society, and have no intention of supporting the UK, or adding anything positive back into the community, unless it benefits muslims.

They have taken a lot from the UK, they continue to take from the UK, but they are reluctant to give to the UK, unless it's connected to muslims.

Once these lot start living by our culture and our society then there will more unity.

reply to post by DeeKlassified


I'm sorry to break it back to you Dude but I am one of the few members to have actually shot and killed a fellow human being. It's not something I'm proud of but an experience I'll never forget. It's easy to be an armchair preacher but somewhat more difficult to deal with the real world, and even harder to face it every day.

May you never know that.

Cody

There's usually a dozen or so heavily armed cops standing around Preston Crown Court most days- & a couple on the roof sometimes. It looks over the top, but they have the trials from the big drugs guys in Manchester there, so I guess the deterrent is needed.

A member of my family is armed response and was close protection at one point (prime minister and the like). I found out one day that the cars they drove were automatic and found this amusing so asked him why? His answer was very obvious but I hadn't twigged. He said "you cannot drive, shoot and change gear all at the same time".

He also told me that they will always fire two shots and that they always aim to kill. They are also trained to fire their pistols whilst still in the holsters- shooting from the hip, so to speak.

Our armed officers are very highly trained and mistakes are very rare and very high profile when they do occur.

reply to post by GeeBee

A member of my family is armed response and was close protection at one point (prime minister and the like). I found out one day that the cars they drove were automatic and found this amusing so asked him why? His answer was very obvious but I hadn't twigged. He said "you cannot drive, shoot and change gear all at the same time".

He also told me that they will always fire two shots and that they always aim to kill. They are also trained to fire their pistols whilst still in the holsters- shooting from the hip, so to speak.

Interesting comment, I don't doubt what you are saying but I think it may be exaggerated slightly, I have read quite a bit about the Specialist Operations groups of the Met. S01, which is the close protection unit are all armed and by all accounts pretty kick ass, the stuff about automatic cars doesn't shock me.

what i think might be a slight exaggeration is the second part of this quote above, UK Armed Police are all trained to shoot to stop not kill unless the protocols of Operation Kratos are in play. What you were talking about is more akin to how Special Forces are taught to shot it gets called "instinctive shooting", they have a round in the chamber and draw, safety off and aim in one smooth motion finishing with the famous "double tap". Police are not permitted to do this, they are not even aloud to have a round in the chamber unless they intend to use it and can only take the safety off at the last moment before they fire. When you actually look at the protocols that armed response units have to abide by its really quite amazing just how redistricted they can be.

sorry i know i am being very pedantic its just a area that interests me and i happen to have read a bit around this other than that i must say a very interesting post. I am guessing this relative of yours is in the met or was seconded from another force?

Gosh all this reminds me of the old days in Ulster, people get used to seeing armed police in the end and don't bat an eye lid after a few weeks, its when you get the army walking the streets with SLR's years ago made you go oh i want one of those. Sad though.

reply to post by cody599


Not surprising, the long term plan is for a very small armed national force mainly located in and around London, the outsourcing of police powers via the commissioner's and the private tendering of police contracts to private security firm's (Most of which are owned by gangsters (AKA SECURITY ADVISORS) anyway), the SIA was set up with this in mind so as part of the continuing privatisation of British public services that began under thatcher and hit it's highest point so far under tony blair with the signing of the gat world trade agreement, Cameron has to get his piece of the pie so is selling off the job centres, the pensions, and the police as well as the nhs and schools, don't be fooled we lost this country 30 years ago.

reply to post by cody599


Armed response units have been routinely deployed by Police forces in the UK for at least the past 30 years - probably longer.

Its not a new thing, and suggesting its in response to some form of Islamic issue is completely misleading.

reply to post by cody599


I am from Milton Keynes the next city up from you! I have never seen anything like this up here! and I agree that for this kind of thing armed police are needed indeed, there fighting to protect the country they live in and them and their children get free health care.

Also I agree this lovely country has changed, move to Dorset there is less racial problems there

reply to post by ballymoney50


Yeah I remember seeing on tv as kids, and thinking,
Well at least that will never happen here.

Cody

reply to post by LABTECH767


I don't generally talk politics on ATS as I don't really know that much about it

But what you said makes a lot of sense Thanks for posting it

Cody

Originally posted by neformore
reply to post by cody599

 

Armed response units have been routinely deployed by Police forces in the UK for at least the past 30 years - probably longer.

Its not a new thing, and suggesting its in response to some form of Islamic issue is completely misleading.

Armed response are generally deployed to an immediate threat.

Upon an emergency call being received about an incident involving firearms, an Armed Response Vehicle crewed by AFOs would be dispatched. The AFOs first on scene would attempt to contain an armed subject if they are inside a building, whereas if they were in the open were an immediate threat is posed a quicker solution would be sought. If a subject is inside a building which is barricaded, AFOs would most likely assault the building as long as it does not require specialist entry or the motive of the subject is terrorist affiliated.

Wiki

Rarely do patrol the streets as a deterrent.

My source is a work colleague that lives on one of the estates, he not racist , in fact if he was any more laid back he'd fall over, he assures me that the gangs involved are Muslim, I believe one of them call themselves the Pakistani Pack. From my understanding they are part of a larger group that share the same name in other areas of Britain.

It's gang warfare not an Islamic issue I never suggested it was I merely pointed out the gangs involved are Muslims.

But since the beginning of the year there has been 9 shootings between rival Muslim gangs.

As I said the gangs are muslim. It is a fact, however religion is irrelevant the fact that we in the UK have armed police (armed response) walking the streets in broad daylight is a sad state of affairs.

Let's make this clear This is nothing about religion. It's about the realisation that armed police are even tolerated, or accepted openly in my country. Unfortunately it seems they are needed,

At what point did I I say this is an Islamic issue ?

Cody

Originally posted by ototheb85
reply to post by cody599

 

I am from Milton Keynes the next city up from you! I have never seen anything like this up here! and I agree that for this kind of thing armed police are needed indeed, there fighting to protect the country they live in and them and their children get free health care.

Also I agree this lovely country has changed, move to Dorset there is less racial problems there

My last workplace was in Milton Keynes

We'll have to meet up for beer sometime

Ironically my parents and sister live in Ringwood, right next door to Dorset.

How weird is that ?

Cody

Who would have ever thought your country would be slowly colonized out of its true existence back in the 1700's?

History is amazing, one of the greatest sea faring empires in the world now reduced to this. You people should have thought of this when your granddaddy's were doing the middle eastern colonization thing.

Actually the old men back then should have been thinking about their grandkids and greatgrandkids, likely they didn't.

Much like today where senators pass bills that implications that will not affect them in their lifetime.

reply to post by LastStarfighter


Unfortunately many Brits are still under the impression we are some great empire,
We're not, we're an island.

A proud nation, but an island, none the less.

We really need to look at ourselves and our home instead of rushing off to fight wars that we have have no business in fighting with money we don't have.

But that's just my way of thinking.

Cody

Britain used to be Great, but not so much anymore. Immigration isn't the problem but rather the fact that anyone can come in (Including all the rubbish) and thus the rest of us have to deal with it. I'm all for immigration whereby the best and brightest come in, but that's as far as that goes.

reply to post by EloquentThinker

Britain has never been great, unless "great" is defined by how much ass you could kick at one time.

reply to post by IvanAstikov


When I left Britain for 10 years my sentiments were the same

Having seen some of the rest of the world in the mean time, I realise what we have

There is a reason they put Great before Britain

It may not be perfect we have our problems, but never be ashamed to be Great.

Cody

Arming the British Police, full-time, is an absolute necessity!

There are more and more illegally owned guns in the UK and our Police need the ability to respond to firearms at ANY incident they are called to - Don't you think it is unfair to send an officer to their death when they respond to a call, only to find out that there are guns involved? (Currently they have a stick and some pepper spray and maybe a taser).

There is no denying that there are more guns!
If you don't agree to arming our Police 24/7 as a precaution, what do you suggest?


~CrazyFool