All paths lead to Father?

They do, unfortunately all roads lead to the judgement seat, and all who have not put their faith in Jesus Christ will be sent to hell.

Originally posted by kingofmd
They do, unfortunately all roads lead to the judgement seat, and all who have not put their faith in Jesus Christ will be sent to hell.

what a load of crap...

Sorry I had to say it...

That is nothing but Paul peeking though the hedges...

Originally posted by Akragon

Originally posted by kingofmd
They do, unfortunately all roads lead to the judgement seat, and all who have not put their faith in Jesus Christ will be sent to hell.

what a load of crap...

Sorry I had to say it...

That is nothing but Paul peeking though the hedges...

edit on 18-5-2013 by Akragon because: (no reason given)

I'm glad you're onto this guff Akragon!

It is pure tripe...

Å99

reply to post by Aleister


John 10:33 is one verse that contradicts you:

33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”

Jesus did say He was God. "I and my Father are one" isn't some deep metaphysical statement. Though the angels and prophets rebuked those that worshiped them, Jesus welcomed it.

reply to post by Akragon


It's a load of crap to you not because you don't believe it. You don't WANT to believe it, because that would mean that you're accountable for your actions. God is the one thing standing between you and autonomy, and unfortunately, you won't have an excuse when the time comes for you to answer for your life.

Originally posted by jhill76
I have seen a quote posted:
Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu...all paths lead to God.

It seems as this would be correct. As what all these have in common, is teaching self to be better.

If religion teaches said person to be better, would that be what Father would want ultimately? As long as you lived life in a good way, no matter how you did it, religion or not.

Would God really punish a person for being good throughout life?

Christianity is not about becoming a better person. Christian theology is this: you cannot be a good person, no matter how hard you try because you are born a sinner due to your forefather's rebellion. If you ask Jesus to be good for you then he will be and you will be saved from the punishment all sinners rightly deserve.

No other religion teaches this, they all teach either you can become good (Buddhism, Hinduism), you can do things to please God so that he saves you (Judaism, Islam), or you can perform certain rituals and regain harmony with the universe/command the universe to grant you an (better) afterlife (animism, mysticism, paganism, occult).

God does not send people to hell because they disobey Him, they go there because that is where they want to go. Hell is a place of their own making. He doesn't send them to hell because they don't love him, but because they love themselves as God.

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by Mads1987

 

God is within all of us... thus... we all know what is Good according to God...

Some choose not to listen to what is inside though...

That is just to wage for me. You could try forever, but you would never find two people who would always 'hear' the same thing, even if they both truly listened.

Hence the many religions and sub groups.

reply to post by jhill76

monotheistic religions, from Adam to Noah, Abraham to Moses, Jesus and Mohammad (peace be upon them)
they have only one God. their aims were (and are) to withstand the Pharaohs and corrupted leaders, or elites and to save humanity from being servant of anything, but the only powerful God. this is the true FREEDOM. humanity is weak in a sense that it can not escape from the limitation of this materialistic world and laws of this universe (laws of the only God). Secular interpretation of FREEDOM is a lie, it is not genuine, it is relative, and an ego !
of course the true monotheistic religions are the straight path.
but do you really think that Buddhism can lead to the truth ! of course if you regard the concept of many Gods and that a human can become a God, as a truth, then yes.
but is this concept logical !? is wisdom anything vain ! does the wise God create wisdom vainly. no he does not, if it is a God.
but there are people who are oppressed. in the sense that they can not reach the truth. But the only God is the most compassionate, the most merciful, the wisest, the most powerful,............., is not it.
the corrupted leaders and clerics, those who know the truth, and those who deny it and try to deceive the crowds, they should expect a hard punishment, since the only God is the justest, is not it.

reply to post by jhill76


Very good insight. Those who claim god as theirs are not worshiping god, they are worshiping themselves, making themselves look superior to others. I believe in god. I think of god as an eternal and endless consciousness which is part of all beings in the universe that want to be part of it.

We may not look like god, god could resemble a porpoise for all I know. Of all the animals on earth humans are not the most superior. Look at a bird, it needs no plane to fly, it needs no toilet paper either. A bird can build a house in a few days and can fly to warmer weather in the winter without going through TSA.

We were put on this earth to tend the garden, not to destroy the garden. None can lay claim to God, I don't care how powerful you are or what religions say. Seems that those who say god is on their side often are more evil and greedy than those who don't. The god I believe in is good.

Originally posted by jhill76
I have seen a quote posted:
Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu...all paths lead to God.

It seems as this would be correct. As what all these have in common, is teaching self to be better.

If religion teaches said person to be better, would that be what Father would want ultimately? As long as you lived life in a good way, no matter how you did it, religion or not.

But, it seems religion wants to claim sole rights on God. (Jesus is the only way, Allah is the true God, etc.)

Would God really punish a person for being good throughout life?

Buddism proposes inventing yourself...believing in one self...not putting your faith any one deity or any one's opinion...including that of Buddha himself. But searching withing oneself.

That sounds just about right, when one considers this reality we live in.

reply to post by maes2


Islam and Judaism do not all have one God. The current God of Judaism didn't send His Son to die for our sins. Allah explicity says that he has no partner, no son, that Jesus is only a prophet, and that Christians will be punished for worshiping Him as God.

reply to post by rickymouse


God is not "our's" but the one true God is exclusive. Through His Son, He clearly defined the way to salvation, and the ONLY way to salvation. If that's selfish to you, then so be it, but Christ's blood is sufficient for all of us.

reply to post by FollowTheWhiteRabbit


That's the one thing that exposes all religions...unfortunately for them...they speak not all off same God. That's what makes them flawed to start with, because they all claim one true God.

I'm so puzzled how "true believers" disregard that fact like it's nothing.

There is a scene in the movie "Cloud Atlas" where Halle Berry has to tell Tom Hanks character that the god/goddess he worships, is no god at all, but just a cloned human who died hundreds of years before. She then "proves" it to him.

This is religion and "god" in a nutshell. Whoever these so-called gods/goddesses might have been, they were no more divine than anyone else.

You can convince yourself all you want, but you WILL NOT know GOD,
until you have rejected all views by other people, torn your own soul apart,
and build it up again from scratch.
This is the only way, not THE BOOK.

Originally posted by jhill76
I have seen a quote posted:
Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu...all paths lead to God.

It seems as this would be correct. As what all these have in common, is teaching self to be better.

If religion teaches said person to be better, would that be what Father would want ultimately? As long as you lived life in a good way, no matter how you did it, religion or not.

But, it seems religion wants to claim sole rights on God. (Jesus is the only way, Allah is the true God, etc.)

Would God really punish a person for being good throughout life?

So Jesus was full of crap teaching about the broad path and the narrow path? Or when He said no one can come to the Father except through Him?

It's so nice to have someone on ATS who knows so much more than the Son of God and can explain to us all the areas where he is ignorant or lied to us.

reply to post by LionOfGOD


"The Book" that you refer to is the Logos, the Word of God, the Word that IS God. To say that Scripture breathed into life by God's own mouth isn't sufficient enough is ludicrous to the point of absurdity. The Spirit that moves through it is an immutable, inerrant force.

Originally posted by FollowTheWhiteRabbit
reply to post by LionOfGOD

 

"The Book" that you refer to is the Logos, the Word of God, the Word that IS God. To say that Scripture breathed into life by God's own mouth isn't sufficient enough is ludicrous to the point of absurdity. The Spirit that moves through it is an immutable, inerrant force.

At least admit that statement is faith based, and not fact based.

Originally posted by FollowTheWhiteRabbit
reply to post by LionOfGOD

 

"The Book" that you refer to is the Logos, the Word of God, the Word that IS God. To say that Scripture breathed into life by God's own mouth isn't sufficient enough is ludicrous to the point of absurdity. The Spirit that moves through it is an immutable, inerrant force.

Mmm...a somewhat badly plagiarised book that IS the word of God...now THAT is a leap into the absurd...

Å99

Originally posted by FollowTheWhiteRabbit
reply to post by LionOfGOD

 

"The Book" that you refer to is the Logos, the Word of God, the Word that IS God. To say that Scripture breathed into life by God's own mouth isn't sufficient enough is ludicrous to the point of absurdity. The Spirit that moves through it is an immutable, inerrant force.

One day while speaking to the Arc, I asked can you tell me what Father has said about (redacted). He then tells me, Father does not deal in second hand information, you will need to speak to him directly.

The Word, is not the true Word of God, but mans view of God.

For example, Brother did not die on a cross, he died on a pole. When John had his vision, he was taken above, not seated here and talked to. Men do not live in fish. Many more examples. These are all words of men.