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Originally posted by draknoir2
Just because your parents tell you there aren't any monsters under your bed doesn't mean that there are.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
It's a good thing the justice system isn't run by UFO fanatics.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
Very telling that you would consider the lunatic fringe as or more credible than someone with actual credentials in the field of discussion.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
I have a book of Gnomes at home.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
Guess they figure the true believers will never read the source material.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
The future is now and it is more amazing than even you can imagine. Again, if you send me your paypal info I'll be happy to develop it.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
Or maybe he's lying his ass off and you're eating up every word while making excuses for the gaping holes in his fantasy.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
He's either a former NASA Chief of Communications or a low-level engineer working for a NASA subcontractor, depending upon who you ask. I suspect some resume padding for his target audience.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
When did Pravda go from an ironically-named state propaganda outlet to a respected news source?
It's now an ironically-named tabloid on a par with Weekly World News.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
I'll give you my paypal account and you can start making contributions to its development.
Trust me.
LOL Hugz.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
He should be allowed to sell as many books as he can and profit as much as the market will bear.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
My point was that people lie for various reasons, not just lucrative book deals
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Originally posted by draknoir2
The fact that he earns "a few thousand bucks" writing books on the topic is just one more reason for increased scrutiny.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
It is also human nature to lie for profit, notoriety, or no good reason at all.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
Highly suspicious that they didn't confirm these results with another piece of test equipment - like dowsing rods, for example.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
Hope your "scientific panel" doesn't consist of unemployed chiropractors with UFO disease.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
Nobody more qualified to explain the FOOTage than a podiatrist.
Aren't the Ghost Hunters plumbers?
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Originally posted by draknoir2
The half still waiting at the Ascension bus stop.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
Any nutjob can send a rant to the FBI.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
Don't you already have a thread for your GFL Andro/Council fantasy crap?
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Originally posted by draknoir2
The Greerdos should be sending ME money. :-))
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Originally posted by draknoir2
It is morally wrong to allow fools to keep their money.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
Dr. [of podiatry] Roger Leir speaks about ET FOOTage.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
Greer fiction.
Got it.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
Back on topic.
So is this poop-flinging UFO witness possibly a chimp/human hybrid?
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Originally posted by draknoir2
Reminds me of the Seinfeld episode where Elaine was dating the podiatrist who was sensitive about not being considered a real doctor.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
Not the most objective of editors in this case, I would think.
Looks less like a "peer reviewed journal" and more like a forum to push his personal agenda [panspermia].
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Originally posted by draknoir2
That's the "Red Rain" guy, isn't it?
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Originally posted by draknoir2
Probably wise, at least until it makes it out of the Sri Lankan tabloids and blogs like "beforeitsnews" and "lunaticoutpost".
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Originally posted by draknoir2
Delusions of grandeur.
He's not that significant.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
773 posts later it's clear that the OP sees what she wants to see, believes what she wants to believe, and feeds off the attention.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
The other two [Greer's and Wilcock's] are laughable attempts at self-aggrandizement.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
Transfer $1000 into my paypal account and once my financial goal has been met, all will be disclosed.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
How about Blinking Bill "You Are A Hybrid" Birnes?
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Originally posted by draknoir2
That "new-agey woman" might have been Bill Birnes in drag. Did she blink a lot?
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Originally posted by draknoir2
Nick Pope needed to back off a few steps and take it down a few notches. Pretty sure I felt his spit on my face as he was talking.
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Originally posted by draknoir2
What's with you and NASA? Are you a disgruntled laid off former employee?
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Originally posted by draknoir2
Thank you for your content-free post. I will give it all due consideration.
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Originally posted by Brighter
Originally posted by ZetaRediculian
So isn't this thread just an ad hominem argument against those pesky debunkers?
No, it's not.
You need to understand a couple of basic things to see why this isn't true.
First, this is a meta-commentary on the debate in general, so addressing rational tendencies is relevant as an issue at hand.
Second, an ad hominem argument is one that attacks one's character in an irrelevant way in the hopes of diverting attention away from the main issue.
And not only is this character flaw that I'm pointing out relevant, it's the very issue at hand, so I'm not diverting attention away from anything; on the contrary, I'm directly addressing the issue.
I realize your statement would have been clever if it were true, but not this time, Zeta
I should point out an important point. I am not equating a "debunker" with a true Pyrrhonian skeptic. I am using "debunker" to refer to those who have little understanding of the process of science and skepticism, and are largely interested in pushing dogmatically held beliefs, while at the same time pretending to practice both science and skepticism.
is an argument made personally against an opponent instead of against their argument
I am using "debunker" to refer to those who have little understanding of the process of science and skepticism, and are largely interested in pushing dogmatically held beliefs, while at the same time pretending to practice both science and skepticism.
Originally posted by Malynn
reply to post by Brighter
It would be great if there was a web-site where we could all come together and discuss these topics without fear of ridicule and derision. Someplace where courtesy is mandatory would be great. Wait a minute....
But once we're clear that evidence is the correct concept, then we have to admit that there are varying degrees of evidence - from the wholly unreliable all the way to extremely reliable and everything in between.
The more evidence that exists for something's existence, the more one is justified in their belief in it.
For every one case of mistaken perception, I can point out ten thousand cases of veridical perception.
I am using "debunker" to refer to those who have little understanding of the process of science and skepticism, and are largely interested in pushing dogmatically held beliefs, while at the same time pretending to practice both science and skepticism.
In fact, there seems to be a direct correlation between the level of education, thorough, objective and skeptical study of the UFO phenomenon, and the justified belief that there really is something significant to the subject: the astrophysicist J. Allen Hynek, physicist Dr. Peter Sturrock and physicist Dr. James E. McDonald. All of these individuals were thoroughly trained in scientific and skeptical methods and all of them reached the same conclusion - that UFOs are real.
Originally posted by ZetaRediculian
I am using "debunker" to refer to those who have little understanding of the process of science and skepticism, and are largely interested in pushing dogmatically held beliefs, while at the same time pretending to practice both science and skepticism.
Just so we are clear, can you list the members that are "the debunkers"? So far I have that draknoir2 guy and possibly draknoir1.
I have list of "believers" and by "believers" I mean people that are just plain dumb.
Originally posted by WilliamOckham
--> Bottom line: Believers in the alien/UFO hypothesis, do not require credible or testable proof and do not follow the scientific method. Their arguments are never backed with fact and they always resort to asking someone to disprove their claim (Instead of them proving it.).
Originally posted by WilliamOckham
Science does not require belief or faith.
Originally posted by WilliamOckham
I will simplify for you....
Originally posted by WilliamOckham
There's a distinct difference between believing a guy who says what he saw up in the sky was an alien craft, and applying a proven scientific theory such as Einstein's relativity to calculate the amount of fuel and thrust needed to escape the earth's gravitational pull.
See, one can be tested over and over and be proven true over and over, without the need of faith or belief.
Let's avoid posting lists of people, as it would just be going in the wrong direction.
I think I will also take the high road and refrain from calling believers "nut cases", "idiots", "morons", "uneducated dimwits", "special people", "feeble minded" and "delusional dingbats".
Maybe we should all refrain from even using the words "debunker" and "pseudo-skeptic" on the one hand, and "believer", "UFO-nut", "gullible" on the other. And I'm fully aware that I've used "debunker" and "pseudo-skeptic" quite often.
now what fun is that? I thought this was the ad hominem attack thread in the guise of actual logic.
And then to take it a step further, also avoid attacking the character of individuals and focus more on evidence for or against the specific claims themselves.
Originally posted by Brighter
I'm sure you've seen some of the serial debunkers on these forums claim that they can form reliable opinions on this subject without ever opening a single book on it.
"I propose that true skepticism is called for today: neither the gullible acceptance of true belief nor the closed-minded rejection of the scoffer masquerading as the skeptic. One should be skeptical of both the believers and the scoffers. The negative claims of pseudo-skeptics who offer facile explanations must themselves be subject to criticism. If a competent witness reports having seen something tens of degrees of arc in size (as happens) and the scoffer -- who of course was not there -- offers Venus or a high altitude weather balloon as an explanation, the requirement of extraordinary proof for an extraordinary claim falls on the proffered negative claim as well. That kind of approach is also pseudo-science. Moreover just being a scientist confers neither necessary expertise nor sufficient knowledge. Any scientist who has not read a few serious books and articles presenting actual UFO evidence should out of intellectual honesty refrain from making scientific pronouncements.
Dr. Bernard Haisch - Director for the California Institute for Physics and Astrophysics
I hate that argument! So if an alien vehicle decides to visit and it has something on it that resembles headlights, it can't exist because we don't know what they are for?
Originally posted by Kang69
reply to post by Brighter
And then to help your argument, you call them ad hominem attacks. Its a never ending cycle.
Anyway answer me this...
Why do UFO's have headlights on them? Afraid of hitting bambi?
edit on 18-5-2013 by Kang69 because: grammar..!!