Whose tech is better: 'Star Trek' or 'Star Wars'?

reply to post by ratcals

This is true, the Cube and Death Star would not be fighting alone.

Not so fast. Borg Cubes often travel alone (almost always even).

The Death Star on the other hand is ALWAYS accompanied by a Star Destroyer group though, because the Death Star has no defense/offense against capital ships, as it isn't intended to do so. It isn't its mission profile. The Star Destroyer group provides it's fighter and capital ship defense.

Before you say it.....In ROTJ it wasn't escorted because it was still under construction, and had a planetary shield (and the battle fleet was in hiding, ready to spring the trap on the Rebel fleet). Operationally though, it is accompanied by a battle group.

reply to post by ratcals


Numbers, shmumbers.

If walking raccoons with logs can defeat your army, your tech sucks.

reply to post by DaTroof


It was a small battle group, sent to deal with a small team of Rebels. They didn't expect 100's of Ewoks, so didn't send much of a force. You can bet that any followup force would have simply bombarded the Ewok camp and destroyed every fuzzy bit of them.

Federation science and medicine seems a bit more advanced though, so in that respect, I think I'd rather use Federation tech. I think the Federation could have probably regrown Luke's hand, perhaps...vs. a cybernetic one. Also, Federation hologram technology seems leaps and bounds above Star Wars, such as a holographic doc or holodeck.

So, Star Wars vs. Star Trek? Depends on what you include. If you include everything, then Q trumps all, simple as that. On sheer tech for weapons, Star Wars. On quality of life? Star Trek (transporters, holodeck, much better food synthesizers)

Originally posted by DaTroof
reply to post by ratcals

 

Numbers, shmumbers.

If walking raccoons with logs can defeat your army, your tech sucks.

How many times has ST had to go back in time to save a blowed-up planet? Yep... They'd be doing that all day long with the Death Star running around blowing planets under the protection of Luke, Darth and the Emperor working on the same side.

www.monstersandrockets.com...

Hell, a few Ferrangi have even wrecked havoc for Star Trek crews.... Ferrangi!!!

Like, I could understand if the Ferrangi formed an alliance with the Dominion, or they had Kingon backing....


Wait just a sex. I'm an effin nerd,.



Excuse me, gotta call up some FWBs and get busy. Nerd levels way too high for me to make it through the day, dignity intact...

Originally posted by Gazrok

Not so fast. Borg Cubes often travel alone (almost always even).

The Death Star on the other hand is ALWAYS accompanied by a Star Destroyer group though, because the Death Star has no defense/offense against capital ships, as it isn't intended to do so. It isn't its mission profile. The Star Destroyer group provides it's fighter and capital ship defense.

Before you say it.....In ROTJ it wasn't escorted because it was still under construction, and had a planetary shield (and the battle fleet was in hiding, ready to spring the trap on the Rebel fleet). Operationally though, it is accompanied by a battle group.

These are different times my friend. The Borg would have an armada.

Originally posted by DaTroof

Numbers, shmumbers.

If walking raccoons with logs can defeat your army, your tech sucks.

That was funny, but I'm holding to that argument.

Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by buster2010

 

Since when have the Borg displayed any kind of collective mind power to do anything more than communicate? Sure, the Jedi couldn't influence their mind, but a lightsaber through a Borg would result in two halves of Borg.

A light sabre wouldnt get past the borg personal shield, and a light sabre cant recalibrate its frequency. Result? Assimilated Jedi borg.

If including Q in the equation, then Star Trek wins, simple as that, assuming Q decides to be on your side that day. The Force is nothing compared to unlimited power of a God-like being. He could simply wish your fleet in a different galaxy or out of existence altogether.

The Q are a wild card, I wouldnt include them in the equation. Still, they dont use magic, they manipulate the fabric of the universe on a fundamental level.

Next, Star Wars ships are MUCH faster than the Federation. SW ships can cross a galaxy in hours or days, ST ships require decades. This is a MAJOR mobility advantage.

Only based on Star Wars use of fantasy, hyperspace (lightspeed) is much slower than Warp Speed, but SW is not limited by any sense of realistic physics, being a childrens faerie story.

Planetary shields. SW planetary shields mean their planets could survive weeks of bombardment, whereas Federation planets rely on orbital defenses alone.

I recall a planetary shield system brought down with the help of tribal teddy bears...

Communication, SW's Holonet provides real time communication across the galaxy. ST's subspace communications are much more limited (22 light years). This means massive command and control advantage (not even counting instantaneous communication using the Force).

Again, SW's advantage of being fantasy based. Federation captains are also better known for their cunning and boldness, the Empire drones who command their capitol ships are no match.

Data vs. a Jedi? Seriously? The Jedi picks him up using the Force and slams him repeatedly into a hard wall. (unless Data fires at him first, in which case Data gets the redirected beam in the chest). Or a Sith fries him with Force lightning. Either way, Data is deactivated.

Jedi are vulnerable to transporters and can be held indefinitely in a matter stream, for convenient processing at a later time.

Look at the Eclipse Super Star Destroyer. This one ship would take out an entire Federation planet and it's defense fleet, while suffering only scratches.

Entire quantum photorp inventories can be easily transported into key placements by dozens of starships onto that unsheilded destroyer and detonated. The bigger they are that harder they fall.

Not to mention a well timed warp core jettisoned and breached near the bridge of that Star Destroyer.



Starfleet for the win.

And here's a variable I'll bet none of you considered. It is a fact of war opposing sides will capture their opponent's technology and reverse engineer it. Depending on how long this war takes both sides could eventually be equally armed and it then comes down to the specific abilities of each race.

Top 10 Reasons the Star Wars Characters Would Kick Butt in the
Star Trek Universe:

10. In the Star Wars universe, weapons rarely, if ever, are set on
"stun."

9. The Enterprise needs a huge engine room with an anti-matter unit
and a crew of twenty just to go into warp -- the Millennium Falcon
does the same thing with R2-D2 and a Wookiee.

8. After resisting the Imperial torture droid and Darth Vader,
Princess Leia still looked fresh and desirable. After pithy
Cardassian starvation torture, Picard looked like hell.

7. Jabba the Hutt would eat Harry Mudd for trying to cut in on his
action.

6. Luke Skywalker is not obsessed with sleeping with every alien he
encounters.

5. One word: "light sabers".

4. The Federation would have to attempt to liberate any ship named
Slave I.

3. Darth Vader could choke the entire Borg empire with one glance.

2. Picard pilots the Enterprise through an asteroid belt at
one-quarter impulse power. Han Solo floors it.

1. The Death Star doesn't care if a world is class "M" or not.

www.anvari.org... -butt-in-the-star-trek-universe.html

Oh, let's not forget reality too:



SW FTW

Originally posted by ratcals

Originally posted by ObservingYou

Don't be daft the Borg would simulate their asses!! aha.

Not Species 8472

LOL - This is great, I'm a 21 year old girl who fell in love with Star Trek Voyager and Next Gen... As you can imagine I can't talk to any of my friends about Star Trek aha..,.

reply to post by ratcals


" It is a fact of war opposing sides will capture their opponent's technology and reverse engineer it."

In that case Star Treks Borg would have rather a large advantage since assimilating technology(reverse engineer) is what they do.

"Resistance is futile!" after all. LoL

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by boncho
The Jedi would destroy the Borg. Machines aren't that useful when they are in a crumpled heap on the floor form Jedi mind smash...

edit on 16-5-2013 by boncho because: (no reason given)

A Jedi wouldn't a chance against the Borg. The Borg has a collective consciousness so it would be one mind against billions of minds. That means bye bye Jedi.

That's only if the Death Star didn't blow the borg collective to smitherines long before they even got close. But sure...

Originally posted by ObservingYou

Originally posted by ratcals

Originally posted by ObservingYou

Don't be daft the Borg would simulate their asses!! aha.

Not Species 8472

LOL - This is great, I'm a 21 year old girl who fell in love with Star Trek Voyager and Next Gen... As you can imagine I can't talk to any of my friends about Star Trek aha..,.

Pfft, the Borg was outsmarted by a hot little number named 7 of 9.

And the wily old Brit with a love of French wine...

That's the problem... No matter how hard, nefarious, threatening, evil your bad guys are, they were outplayed by a rag tag crew every time... because ST would have been a short lived series if every Enterprise crew was wiped out the first 2 weeks of the season.

Oh but then you got Voyager for back up I guess...

Darth Vader is trembling in his boots knowing Chakotey is on the mission.

Originally posted by boncho

i see your pic and raise you a...

Originally posted by boncho

Originally posted by ObservingYou

Originally posted by ratcals

Originally posted by ObservingYou

Don't be daft the Borg would simulate their asses!! aha.

Not Species 8472

LOL - This is great, I'm a 21 year old girl who fell in love with Star Trek Voyager and Next Gen... As you can imagine I can't talk to any of my friends about Star Trek aha..,.

Pfft, the Borg was outsmarted by a hot little number named 7 of 9.

And the wily old Brit with a love of French wine...

That's the problem... No matter how hard, nefarious, threatening, evil your bad guys are, they were outplayed by a rag tag crew every time... because ST would have been a short lived series if every Enterprise crew was wiped out the first 2 weeks of the season.

Oh but then you got Voyager for back up I guess...

Darth Vader is trembling in his boots knowing Chakotey is on the mission.

Hmm Nom Nom - I'm straight as they come - But I'd have to Give seven one aha

Originally posted by boncho

Pfft, the Borg was outsmarted by a hot little number named 7 of 9.

And the wily old Brit with a love of French wine...

They both had an unfair advantage in that they were both Borg at one time.

Originally posted by boncho

Originally posted by buster2010

Originally posted by boncho
The Jedi would destroy the Borg. Machines aren't that useful when they are in a crumpled heap on the floor form Jedi mind smash...

edit on 16-5-2013 by boncho because: (no reason given)

A Jedi wouldn't a chance against the Borg. The Borg has a collective consciousness so it would be one mind against billions of minds. That means bye bye Jedi.

That's only if the Death Star didn't blow the borg collective to smitherines long before they even got close. But sure...

As long as it takes the death star to power up much less aim in no time the Borg would be using it for spare parts.

reply to post by TheWrightWing

A light sabre wouldnt get past the borg personal shield, and a light sabre cant recalibrate its frequency. Result? Assimilated Jedi borg.

Good point, forgot about the personal shields. Though a Jedi could simply pull the ceiling down on the Borg. Still, man on man, the Jedi is basically facing a Droid Dekar. (and he'd do better retreating)

The Q are a wild card, I wouldnt include them in the equation. Still, they dont use magic, they manipulate the fabric of the universe on a fundamental level.

It's all fictional magic, no matter how you slice it.

Only based on Star Wars use of fantasy, hyperspace (lightspeed) is much slower than Warp Speed, but SW is not limited by any sense of realistic physics, being a childrens faerie story.

Both are faerie stories, one simply builds more on theoretical physics, but both assume technologies that (mathematically) would require infinite amounts of energy.

I recall a planetary shield system brought down with the help of tribal teddy bears...

Only because it wasn't shielding the planet it was on, and although they helped, it required SW tech to do it (the Ewoks weren't getting into the shield generator facility), it took a shot from the AT-ST to do it.

Again, SW's advantage of being fantasy based. Federation captains are also better known for their cunning and boldness, the Empire drones who command their capitol ships are no match.

Again, it's all fantasy based. Grand Admiral Thrawn could likely out-strategize Kirk. Kirk is only good at improvisation, whereas Thrawn is both a planner and good at improvising tactics. Captain for captain, I'll give it to you on cunning and boldness, but the sheer stats of the ships still have the SW ships winning.

Jedi are vulnerable to transporters and can be held indefinitely in a matter stream, for convenient processing at a later time.

I wasn't aware Data was equipped with a transporter. If you're saying he could call for it, well, as soon as he's uttering the words, the Jedi uses Force Speed to vacate the spot. If you give Data the full resources of his ship, then sure, I suppose he'd win over the Jedi....

Entire quantum photorp inventories can be easily transported into key placements by dozens of starships onto that unsheilded destroyer and detonated. The bigger they are that harder they fall.

Nope, we already addressed the issue of beaming torpedoes. SW ships have shields. In fact, those big round things on top of the Imperial Star Destroyers? Shield Generators.

Not to mention a well timed warp core jettisoned and breached near the bridge of that Star Destroyer.

The Star Destroyer is getting out of there much faster than the ship that now doesn't have a warp core.

reply to post by boncho

10. In the Star Wars universe, weapons rarely, if ever, are set on "stun."

How do you set a saber on stun? And in SW they were always at war not so in ST.

9. The Enterprise needs a huge engine room with an anti-matter unit and a crew of twenty just to go into warp -- the Millennium Falcon does the same thing with R2-D2 and a Wookiee.

We will overlook the fact that shuttle craft in ST can go into warp and it's way smaller than the falcon. And it doesn't need a trashcan and a primate to do it.

8. After resisting the Imperial torture droid and Darth Vader, Princess Leia still looked fresh and desirable. After pithy Cardassian starvation torture, Picard looked like hell.

Mean old Vader did the worst torture of all he didn't let her do what she wanted. If you compared the two Leia's torture was a joke.

7. Jabba the Hutt would eat Harry Mudd for trying to cut in on his action.

This I agree to.

6. Luke Skywalker is not obsessed with sleeping with every alien he encounters.

No he was obsessed with sleeping with his sister.

5. One word: "light sabers".

A weapon with a killing range of about three feet real scary.

4. The Federation would have to attempt to liberate any ship named Slave I.

Looks like the idiot who wrote the article never heard of the prime directive.

3. Darth Vader could choke the entire Borg empire with one glance.

The Borg would look at Vader and say where did this outdated piece of junk come from?

2. Picard pilots the Enterprise through an asteroid belt at one-quarter impulse power. Han Solo floors it.

The Enterprise is wayy bigger than the Falcon. Of course Solo floors it he usually runs away like a scared little girl.

1. The Death Star doesn't care if a world is class "M" or not.

When did the death star start colonizing planets?

reply to post by buster2010

In the Star Wars universe, weapons rarely, if ever, are set on "stun."

Actually, Leia is stunned in the first scene.